Get your gas GM while u still can

  • AnotherFisherman
    Posts: 621
    #2011435

    The electric auger is a great example on a much smaller scale.

    Just a few years ago, many many anglers (some still) argue that electric augers are just a fad and not worth their time. Many of these anglers have since switched to electric (my father included) and will never go back to gas.

    You can believe whatever you want now, but EVs are the future. No question about it. We just aren’t at the point right now where a big pickup truck is realistic, but by 2035?? I can see it.

    The iphone first came out in 2007, just 13-14 years ago. Look how that has revolutionized the cellphone/entire world? A LOT can happen in 14 years…

    Disclosure: I’m a Cidiot.

    patk
    Nisswa, MN
    Posts: 1997
    #2011446

    Two guys are sitting around. One of those new fangled automobile things comes by and the driver says, this is the future. No way that will every replace horses, for ….. reasons.

    Two guys are drinking a beer, no way any electric auger will every replace my trusty strikemaster gas auger for ….. reasons.

    Two guys are with their electric cars, no way whatever the next big thing is will be better than my electric car for …. reasons.

    While there will be challenges and it will take decades, history has shown us that whatever the standard today it will not be permanent. Something will replace vast majority of gas powered cars and electrics certainly look like what is next.

    TheFamousGrouse
    St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 11846
    #2011450

    Two guys are sitting around. One of those new fangled automobile things comes by and the driver says, this is the future. No way that will every replace horses, for ….. reasons.

    My grandpa told me that he had a clear recollection of having this exact conversation with his father (my great-grandfather). They were loading feed into a horse-drawn wagon at a feed store in Morris, MN when someone pulled up and parked in a Model T. He believed this was 1910 or 1911.

    His father looked at the car and commented that it was a toy for wealthy town dwellers, but it had no practical use because it was too fragile and prone to breakdowns. He also stated that a gasoline engine would never have enough power to haul any practical load or do any useful work.

    Our ability to accurately predict what the future will be like is always anchored in our present knowledge.

    I read an article in an early 1900s edition of Popular Mechanics magazine, where the author clearly predicted that in the year 2000, air travel would be commonplace and exceedingly affordable.

    The illustration that accompanied the article showed what they envisioned it would be like in the year 2000. A happy family waved goodbye from the open windows of a dirigible very similar to the Hindenburg. In the background, there was a whole airport full of similar aircraft with not a single airplane (as we know them) in sight.

    Grouse

    munchy
    NULL
    Posts: 4951
    #2011453

    Semis are turning electric with excellent results. An all electric truck in the next few years is fully possible. But when 250million+ gas vehicles (in US only) need to be swapped for battery where are we getting these resources that won’t pollute as much or more than gas?! Unless it’s only about the NIMBY facade, then yeah, we’re saving the world…. roll

    mike mulhern
    Posts: 179
    #2011456

    And I haven’t heard a word about the batteries when the car or truck is no longer serviceable, The real pollution politician will start there.

    Mike

    Matthew Sandys
    Posts: 373
    #2011464

    What about the power grid system. They shut off-peak off when it gets cold, now get all the cars charging on the system. I think there is a lot of infrastructures needed first.

    AnotherFisherman
    Posts: 621
    #2011467

    What about the power grid system. They shut off-peak off when it gets cold, now get all the cars charging on the system. I think there is a lot of infrastructures needed first.

    100% agree. It will take time.

    munchy
    NULL
    Posts: 4951
    #2011476

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>mike mulhern wrote:</div>
    And I haven’t heard a word about the batteries when the car or truck is no longer serviceable, The real pollution politician will start there.

    Mike

    Just takes a simple search..

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-019-1682-5

    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/01/joint-venture-to-specialize-in-recycling-electric-vehicle-batteries.html

    Wind turbines have been around for 30+ years, they have a finite life (20ish years) as well. When they first came out disposal was said to be on the top of the list for figuring out the recycling of, but yet there is still no reliable or large scale way to dispose of short of burying them in a landfill. Which if you ask me is far from the intended purpose of what those wind turbines were created for.

    David Anderson
    Dayton, MN
    Posts: 522
    #2011479

    Why? Haven’t electric augers taught us anything? By then, instead of not being able to sell your gas auger it will be a vehicle nobody wants or can’t use then you’re stuck with worthless nostalgic scrap. Embrace electric now so it will all just happen quicker!

    Sure, combustion engines will have their place for a long while, just like augers. But, for the vast vast majority of consumers, gas is definitely showing it’s age and it has been for the better portion of the current century, just like augers. In 30 years we will wonder why we didn’t adopt electric sooner.

    I can only imagine what the vehicles of the not-so-distant future will be like. Especially once we perfect electric motors for consumer vehicles.

    Sorry but Electric augers are a far cry from electric vehicles. In a gas powered anything you only carry 10% of the fuel needed to operate the device at it’s full potential. With electric one has to carry 100% of the fuel needed. Yes, Lithium Ion battery technology has carried over to another electric tool, the auger. I have 3 of them, they are slick however not infallible. One better have an ability to keep the battery warm or it’s pretty well worthless. Nice for the ice house, no smoke but there I can keep the battery charged. So I have a spare battery for the 40V Strikemaster, $129. I doubt I have gone through that much gas in my 20 year old Strikemaster Laser, and I still take it because when all else fails pull the recoil and voila. We are on a fast track to EV’s with little idea as to it’s impact. Unlike the auger you simply can’t pop out the battery and insert a new one, maybe that will be available at some point. Most people simply see it as you plug it in, wait and go. A new Tesla S has a 84KW battery. Most newer houses have 240VAC @ 200Amp service. That is only 48KW. No wonder they recommend you charge at normal 120VAC 15 amp outlet, it doesn’t overload the grid. It also takes about 85 hours to fully charge a depleted battery. All of these vehicles will be connected to 5G. The the promise of 5G, if people knew how much energy it takes to push the new speeds at that frequency, no one talks about that as from a power standpoint it’s less than 3% efficient by the time it gets to the user. I can just see it on Red. We are letting out 1/2 ton’s with single axle, Next week it will be 3/4 ton with dual axle houses, no diesel’s. Next week Diesels. And finally by Jan 31st we are letting out electric trucks. Yep it’s -20 on Red, lucky I have my second Honda 2200i to keep my truck plugged in and ready to go. I am sure in the future things will be far advanced, I see Ford is now offering a generator option in their pickups. Looks pretty innocent today but one never knows the long term intent. I probably will be dead by the time all this happens so good luck to the Millennials. And it’s not the electric motors that need improving, it’s the energy storage means.

    Mike
    Posts: 110
    #2011509

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Mike wrote:</div>

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>mike mulhern wrote:</div>
    And I haven’t heard a word about the batteries when the car or truck is no longer serviceable, The real pollution politician will start there.

    Mike

    Just takes a simple search..

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-019-1682-5

    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/01/joint-venture-to-specialize-in-recycling-electric-vehicle-batteries.html

    Wind turbines have been around for 30+ years, they have a finite life (20ish years) as well. When they first came out disposal was said to be on the top of the list for figuring out the recycling of, but yet there is still no reliable or large scale way to dispose of short of burying them in a landfill. Which if you ask me is far from the intended purpose of what those wind turbines were created for.

    https://www.utilitydive.com/news/ge-announces-first-us-wind-turbine-blade-recycling-program-with-veolia/591869/

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