Sturgen in Red??

  • russjudy
    Minnesota
    Posts: 785
    #1290033

    this ones for Kelly P and son Jonny P
    heard today that sturgen were put into red today

    now here are my questions that not only I will ask but others wont but wonder about–hope you can clear this up;;

    why sturgen are they not bottom feeders,eat egg lays from other fish, destroy vegetation in rivers, creeks, shore weeds like carp

    what benifite do they serve in that lake and river?

    I realize it takes years for them to mature but do you think that in ten years someone wants a wall trophy mount of them?

    how do you cook them in your frying pan?

    does it in your eyes look like the lake will be a trophy lake for eyes, gators and sturgen and pan fishing will get left behind??

    would like your opinion on how the tribe will handle this or what they have said on this issue??

    remember im just a reporter- not a good speller-nothing personal just asking

    this year when we come up for ice fishing I can travel the whole lake and just have fun,-

    James Holst
    Keymaster
    SE Minnesota
    Posts: 18926
    #612734

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    this ones for Kelly P and son Jonny P
    heard today that sturgen were put into red today


    Are you sure those sturgeon didn’t go into Red River?

    As for a sturgeon being like a carp… their not even in the same ball park. Google sturgeon and read up on their life cycle and habitat preferences for specifics.

    James Holst
    Keymaster
    SE Minnesota
    Posts: 18926
    #612743

    For anyone interested, here’s the restocking plan for the Red River of the North

    As for sturgeon being stocked into URL, if anyone has any info please post it up. I’d be interested in the motivations behind any plan to introduce or re-introduce the lake sturgeon.

    russjudy
    Minnesota
    Posts: 785
    #612817

    I double checked my sorce with no reply as of yet and I cant get into DNR site yet

    if I have mud on my face–so be it

    while were on the subject and there were rumors of sturgeon in the lake at one time and rumors of them being re interduced- maybe someone could give us some good facts about them since some of us dont know how to Googgle ?s

    doesnt matter to me if I have egg on my face or something stuck somewhere If you dont know or understand “ask the question till you do””!!! the right answer will come

    James Holst
    Keymaster
    SE Minnesota
    Posts: 18926
    #612896

    I don’t see how you could mud on your face for asking this question. At worst… it is just a misunderstanding.

    As for sturgeon in URL…. I did check the MN DNR website earlier looking for sturgeon showing up in their survey nets. Sturgeon were not listed. That certainly doesn’t mean they’re not there though, just that the DNR hasn’t netted any.

    russjudy
    Minnesota
    Posts: 785
    #613371

    heres the information i wanted

    This Article was in the Bemidji Pinoneer Thursday 10/4/07.
    Read the entire article. Note the rules for commercial walleye and perch fishing.

    Red Lake hopes to restore sturgeon
    Brad Swenson Bemidji Pioneer
    Published Thursday, October 04, 2007

    Once common in Red Lake Reservation waters, tribal officials hope to restore a prehistoric species — lake sturgeon.

    And, in the wake of a successful walleye recovery, tribal officials recently took steps to frame procedures for tribal member commercial harvest of walleye.

    On Monday, Red Lake tribal and federal fisheries staff released 10,000 sturgeon — fingerings about 6 inches long — at a landing on the southeast shore near where the Blackduck River enters Lower Red Lake.

    After releasing 10,000 sturgeon fingerlings on Monday near the Blackduck River as it flows into Lower Red Lake, tribal staff empty the tanks so a net can catch any stragglers at the bottom. It’s part of an effort to restock Red Lake Nation waters with the prehistoric fish. Submitted Photo
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    The release caps a several-year effort to restore water channels to where they were prior to 1951, when the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers constructed a Red Lake River dam that virtually shut off the then-prevalent sturgeon from Lower Red Lake.

    “Sturgeon were indigenous to Red Lake until the 1940s when the U.S. government, administered by the Army Corps of Engineers, placed a dam on the Red Lake River preventing the sturgeon from entering their traditional spawning area, although other issues contributed as well,” Red Lake Department of Natural Resources Administrative Officer Dave Conner said in a tribal statement.

    The Red Lake Band of Chippewa joins the White Earth Band of Chippewa in efforts to restore lake sturgeon. White Earth, in cooperation with the Minnesota DNR, has stocked sturgeon for several years. It also won a $155,000 federal grant in 2005 for lake sturgeon restocking efforts.

    Conner hopes that by releasing the 5- to 6-inch sturgeon into the Blackduck River that they will return there to spawn. “But it won’t be for a long time, as sturgeon females take up to 20 years to mature and reproduce, although they should grow fast doubling in size by next summer,” he said.

    It is believed the sturgeon will acclimate well to the Blackduck River where there is considerable suitable habitat, he said.

    A year ago, the Red Lake DNR won a $159,152 grant from the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service’s Tribal Wildlife Grants Program to reintroduce lake sturgeon — acipenser fulvescens — into the headwaters of the largest tributary to the Red River of the North.

    The grant will allow this year’s stocking of 10,000 sturgeon and of another 10,000 in 2008.

    Red Lake DNR and U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service employees released this year’s fingerlings on Monday, after tobacco was offered at the site by spiritual elder and Hereditary Chief Greeting Spears, the tribal statement said.

    According to Red Lake DNR Director Al Pemberton, the sturgeon eggs came from the Manitou Rapids First Nation in Canada. “The eggs taken from the Rainy River were procured and raised by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Genoa Fish Hatchery in Wisconsin. There they were fed brine shrimp at first, then bloodworm, and finally krill to reach their release size.”

    The last official sighting of sturgeon in Red Lake was by the Red Lake Fisheries in 1943, but sightings were reported by fishermen into the early 1950s.

    “Sturgeon were important culturally to our ancestors,” said Pemberton. “They not only provided meat but lamp oil, and of course the large fish — not much more difficult to catch than a smaller fish — fed many more people.”

    Sturgeon dries and smokes well and therefore was easy to store, Pemberton added. It’s hoped that the current group can reach the typical size of 4- to 6-feet and 100 to 150 pounds, but may take decades to do so.

    Mostly bottom-feeders, sturgeon can live 80 to 100 years and are considered ancient or primitive fish such as sharks and rays, and do not have a skeleton. Instead, it has cartilage that serves as an exoskeleton.

    Sturgeon used to migrate up the Red Lake River into Red Lake for spawning, but dams cut off the sturgeons’ access. The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, however, has been removing the dams in recent years.

    The Corps of Engineers, in an $800,000 project, constructed a fish passage structure to allow native species to re-enter the reservation lake, but keep carp out.

    The 1951 dam was constructed west of Lower Red Lake on the Red Lake River and also channelized 3.2 miles of the Red Lake River through marshland, primarily to provide agricultural flood protection.

    The White Earth tribal effort includes stocking 8,000 sturgeon fingerlings in White Earth Lake and 5,000 in Round Lake last year, according to the USFWS.

    “The last record of a lake sturgeon in this area came from Lake Lida in 1957,” USFWSA says of White Earth in a grant report. “Lake sturgeon are primitive fish that historically inhabited many of Minnesota’s large rivers and the lakes associated with those rivers. Native American cultures were partially dependent on the availability of lake sturgeon.

    “Indian villages were often located near waters where sturgeon spawned,” the report said. “Early European settlement on Lake of the Woods was due to commercial fishing for lake sturgeon when their caviar and fine flesh were wanted worldwide. It is a goal of the resource agencies to restore lake sturgeon to this part of its original range.”

    Commercial fishing

    In an unrelated natural resource matter, the Red Lake Tribal Council last month approved a resolution which prescribes the return of commercial fishing on the Red Lakes.

    It will allow tribal members fishing for commercial efforts a daily limit of 50 walleye, or a limit of 10 walleye if fishing for personal sustenance.

    With the lakes over-fished, the Red Lake Band of Chippewa and the state of Minnesota agreed to impose a 10-year moratorium on walleye harvest until the joint effort could restock the lakes.

    The moratorium ended last year, and harvest limits are set by each entity according to a total quota set for the waters. The state, which controls only about half of Upper Red Lake, did boost its daily limit from two to four walleye.

    On reservation waters, tribal officials plan to restart a commercial fishing operation but by hook and line, not using nets as was the practice before the moratorium.

    According to the Sept. 11 resolution, commercial fishing operations resumed the next day, Sept. 12.

    Hook and line is the only legal way of fishing, it states, with no limit to the number of lines per angler, only that they never be unattended. The use of trotlines or setlines is illegal. The slot limit of acceptable walleye are those between 13 and 18 inches, it said.

    “Tribal members fishing for the (Red Lake) Fisheries are required to have a cooler assigned to them and returned to the plant within 24 hours,” states the resolution. “This will allow an individual to harvest 50 walleyes a day … to be turned into the Fisheries.”

    Coolers can be checked out at the Red Lake Fisheries Plant at Redby or the ice house in Ponemah.

    “If an individual does not have this cooler, they are assumed to be fishing for themselves and are only allowed 10 walleyes,” states the resolution.

    Also, yellow perch over 8 inches will also be accepted for commercial sales, with no daily limit. The Red Lake Fisheries is not accepting at this time crappie, drum, northern pike and whitefish, but may at a later date when markets are established.

    To be a commercial angler, the individual must be at least 18 years old, a tribal member, and be registered with Red Lake Fisheries.

    James Holst
    Keymaster
    SE Minnesota
    Posts: 18926
    #613590

    Well cool beans. I hadn’t heard a darn thing about this. Sounds like they’re just trying to reintroduce a native species.

    A couple decades from now Brian K will be up there catching sturgeon with his grandkids.

    As for the sturgeon impacting the walleye or crappie populations… LOTW has sturgeon up the wazoo… and some of the best walleye fishing on the planet. I don’t think you have anything to worry about but really the best way to get the scoop on the impact will be to call the DNR and ask for the large lake specialist covering URL. My experience going this route has been very favorable and the DNR guys will usually talk your ear off.

    jonny p
    Waskish, MN
    Posts: 668
    #614505

    Yup they are going give it a whirl and hopefully works out. Years ago it was tried with some larger tagged fish one showed up in Canada and the rest headed for the red river in suit. Red has had stugreon since the begining of time maybe even as long as Russ has been around.

    I remember a photo of the hatchery nets years ago all tangled up on shore and what I remember (could be wrong on this) a 70″+ sturgeon laying on shore with a bunch of old timers standing next to it.

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