cops shoot a dog…

  • cat dude
    Arlington, MN
    Posts: 1389
    #954954

    If they had to shoot the dog, then so be it. It’s a tough call that some have to make in less than a second.

    Trouble with some of this is the way some of these issues go down and all the other stuff one hears, it does make one wonder if it was needed.

    The only ones that really know if the dog had to be dispatched was the officers there.

    Bassn Dan
    Posts: 977
    #954964

    Here’s another thought: charge the dog owner with harboring a dangerous animal and assault on a police officer.

    Dan

    phigs
    Twin Cities, MN
    Posts: 1046
    #954978

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    Here’s another thought: charge the dog owner with harboring a dangerous animal and assault on a police officer.

    Dan


    so, let me get this straight….

    you come over his fence, onto his property, and want to hold the homeowner liable for his dog that was properly contained at that point?

    let me guess, if a burglar cuts his hand on a knife while in a home, he should be able to sue the homeowner for damages?

    what is your opinion on if someone breaks into your home in the middle of the night, should you be able to defend yourself? or do you not hold those rights inside the walls of your own home also?

    orangewhip3x
    Blaine
    Posts: 109
    #954990

    My dog would have brought a ball over…

    phigs
    Twin Cities, MN
    Posts: 1046
    #954992

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    My dog would have brought a ball over…


    dan stien
    Waunakee, Wisconsin
    Posts: 400
    #954973

    Wow sensitive story. Being that the felon was armed and had already fled an apartment maybe they should have shot the felon when he went to enter a fenced in private property. I feel for the owners and understand how it must hurt and I feel for the Officers just trying to do their job. The dog wasn’t the only one caught in the middle of a bad situation. I think there is really no way to conclude this to all parties satisfaction unless the owner is looking for monetary satisfaction, but that won’t bring back the dog.

    drew-evans
    rochester MN
    Posts: 1099
    #955009

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    Ouch….touchy subject here, I can see it from both sides of the fence, the cops and the dog owners. There’s my .02 cents, enjoy


    i agree, i have one thing to ad….. if a individual kills a police dog in self defence it is a felony and is considered a murdered officer. a cop kills a non police dog in self defence…. i do not believe the officer should be charged but i do agree the criminal should be charged with felony murder if you consider a police dog murder a felony murder then why not a “Public dog killed considered a felony murder?? that goes for all situations if a neighbor is upset because your dog is barking or is in their yard and they kill it, felony murder…… lets protect our pets…… ha lol can you tell im a dog lover…..??

    i do feel bad for the owner of this dog but the officer acted as i would have i believe…… i think the criminal should be held responsible just the same if a criminal flees in a vehicle any damage done during the chase is charged to him not the state.

    sandmannd
    Posts: 928
    #955010

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    Yes, I agree.

    They should make it a crime and charge 24-year-old Dijon E. Barlow with unintentional murder.


    or maybe charge the officers with something, or at a minimum walk them out the door with their personal effects.

    what right does an officer have to come into your private property and shoot your dog?

    i’ve got an answer for them – Private Property, do not enter.

    what if the homeowner would have come outside with a weapon after hearing the commotion and seeing the suspect being attacked? would the police have shot her too?

    just another one of many bad shoots by cops these days.


    You can’t be serious!!

    I own two dogs and love them very much. I would hate to see something like this happen to them and would be heart broken. However, the officers were defending themselves. What did you expect them to do, put on a meat sweater and call it life? Yea, pepper spray might have worked but when you are getting attacked by a dog you have little time to think. Hell, when you are getting attacked by anything you have little time to react. I feel for the dog owner in loosing his pet in this way. I also feel for the officer who did the shooting. I doubt that is the outcome any officer would want to see. The home owner should be going after the criminal as he trespassed on his lawn. The cops were in pursuit. He won’t do that though because the money is with the officers.

    People that side with criminals in a case like this and are anti-police, make me want to hurl.

    packingheat
    Reads Landing Mn
    Posts: 696
    #955012

    IMO if you put a animals well being before a human, we have issues. That being said, always more to the story.

    AllenW
    Mpls, MN
    Posts: 2895
    #955033

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    IMO if you put a animals well being before a human, we have issues. That being said, always more to the story.


    Ya know, I never had a dog drive drunk into my brother and kill him, start a war, rob me, beat up my grandmother when she was 83 for $35 or take half my wages for taxes, rob the stereo out of my truck or a host of other things….ya I like some dogs better than many people.

    Al

    cat dude
    Arlington, MN
    Posts: 1389
    #955036

    Agreed Allen, many dogs I would take over many people.

    I am not stiring the pot but we have to remember one thing, many times the truth does not come out for a long time with deals like this. Sometimes in the end, we hear there were corrupt police, it does happen as they also are humans.

    We all know incidents have happened where the police were wrong. I wish we could all know the whole truth to every incident but that will never happen.

    We have to go by what the police state and what the newspapers and news tell us and I do not put alot of trust in much of that.

    DrewH
    s/w WI.
    Posts: 1404
    #955040

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    You’re kidding right?


    . After reading all the posts, it is difficult to ignore the obvious anti-police attitude in some of the post(s). It seems that some are more strongly in favor of punishing the police before punishing the burglar. The death of the dog is indeed tragic but looks justified. In some jurisdictions charging the dogs owner can be charged with Harboring A Vicious Dog. I would be careful not to throw rocks at the people you may need to save your life or protect your personal property.It is not my humble opinion but based on my life experiences and not a casual education on this type of human behavior.

    mojogunter
    Posts: 3301
    #955062

    I hope that was sarcasm.

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    Here’s another thought: charge the dog owner with harboring a dangerous animal and assault on a police officer.

    Dan


    nick
    Lakeville, MN
    Posts: 4977
    #955069

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    pepper spray will stop a dog too…


    You are wrong, not in all cases, I have good knowledge on this subject.

    Personally any dog that mean deserves to be shot, there is no reason for attack dogs, period.

    I also think the police dog bs in the news is redicoulous, the dog is trained to attack and cause harm, how is it not police brutality!? Beck they are darn near sworn in officers now, they should be held accountable to the same standards. God knows if any dog ever comes for me, I’ll do my damnedest to kill it too. I don’t care who’s dog it is.

    I think the day will come, owners of attack dogs will be held a fault in any situation.

    I have two dogs, I love them both, you’d have to hurt one of us before you might get bit, but I doubt they would bite even then.

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #922644

    Drew, if you’re running for any office, you have my vote!

    Fortunately they will save sorry butts even if they throw stones at them.

    bret_clark
    Sparta, WI
    Posts: 9362
    #922642

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    After reading all the posts, it is difficult to ignore the obvious anti-police attitude in some of the post(s). It seems that some are more strongly in favor of punishing the police before punishing the burglar.


    You know where I stand Drew We have had this discussion on the ice my friend
    My first reply agreeing with BrianK should have answered that question

    This has been a good read.

    The real hero out of the whole story (IMO) is the dog He was doing what a guard dog should be doing (God rest your Sole King Leo Clark), Rocco was protecting his property
    Just got mixed up in a bad situation!

    Here is to Rocco, the hero of this story

    chriswallace
    Andover, MN
    Posts: 275
    #955088

    For the anti-police mentality in some of these posts.

    Next time you think about dialing 911 for the police to come help you, call a crackhead instead.

    mojogunter
    Posts: 3301
    #955090

    I couldn’t disagree more. I have a dog that protects my house and family. I have no doubt he would eliminate the threat of any stranger that would come into my house, and I hope if someone did break in he would do his job. Having him gives me some peace of mind when I am out of town. I didn’t train him to attack. It is his natural instinct to protect, much like a Doberman. It isn’t the fault of the dog for protecting his family. He saw them as a threat. It is tragic how the situation turned out, but I understand how the police did what they felt they had to do. You are coming to a conclusion that this dog was mean, or a trained attack dog. I doubt that was the case. I would guess more likely a family pet. Just the look of a Giant Schnauzer should be enough to keep someone out of your house, hopefully never testing if he would attack or not.

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    pepper spray will stop a dog too…


    You are wrong, not in all cases, I have good knowledge on this subject.

    Personally any dog that mean deserves to be shot, there is no reason for attack dogs, period.

    I also think the police dog bs in the news is redicoulous, the dog is trained to attack and cause harm, how is it not police brutality!? Beck they are darn near sworn in officers now, they should be held accountable to the same standards. God knows if any dog ever comes for me, I’ll do my damnedest to kill it too. I don’t care who’s dog it is.

    I think the day will come, owners of attack dogs will be held a fault in any situation.

    I have two dogs, I love them both, you’d have to hurt one of us before you might get bit, but I doubt they would bite even then.



    cat dude
    Arlington, MN
    Posts: 1389
    #955091

    I am sure this was a tough deal for the officers and all involved.

    My Brother in law is a retired Police Chief in a metro suburb.

    Man can he tell some stories and I am very glad I did not have to make a split second call on some of the calls they had to make.

    I personally would not want to be put in that situation ever.

    A split second to decide who lives and dies or what lives and dies.

    deertracker
    Posts: 9237
    #955098

    I typed a big reply in ref. to some of the comments but then deleted them. Some of the anti LE comments are insane. These same people would also complain when the suspect sued for being injured by the ATTACKING dog and LE didn’t do anything. It just amazes me that some of the most outspoken people have the least common sense.

    I’m out.

    DT

    clarence_chapman
    Hastings, MN Lake Isabel activist
    Posts: 1345
    #955134

    dogs do not have tear ducks….I’m just saying.

    Ralph Wiggum
    Maple Grove, MN
    Posts: 11764
    #955136

    Quote:


    I also think the police dog bs in the news is redicoulous, the dog is trained to attack and cause harm, how is it not police brutality!? Beck they are darn near sworn in officers now, they should be held accountable to the same standards.


    You’re wrong there. A police dog is a use of force, much like physical restraint, pepper spray, a taser, or a firearm. Police operate on a heirarchy of force, and the crime and situation deterimines how much force is required/accepted. The dog is a tool. They’re not turning a dog loose on someone for loitering. The situation dictates the dog’s use.

    AllenW
    Mpls, MN
    Posts: 2895
    #955141

    10-9-8-

    Al

    clarence_chapman
    Hastings, MN Lake Isabel activist
    Posts: 1345
    #955142

    Quote:


    if a burglar cuts his hand on a knife while in a home, he should be able to sue the homeowner for damages?


    actually this happens. They hold you liaible for the injuries and sue your insurance company.

    kooty
    Keymaster
    1 hour 15 mins to the Pond
    Posts: 18101
    #955143

    As a kid, I was bitten twice by dogs that were “protecting” there turf and was almost bitten as a toddler as my mother pedaled us down the street(I’m told I’m lucky dad didn’t do time for this one). So, I’m a bit sensitive to you guys who have to have dogs to “protect” your family. I’m also not naive to the fact my bias is heavily influenced by my childhood.

    I personally think it’s a huge bunch of hooey that you need to have any animal around that could turn on me or my kids because we are “intruding” on his turf. As a matter of fact, I think it’s irresponsible to harbor such animals. Of all the dogs we’ve had in my life, I can only remember one that we couldn’t trust to be around kids or strangers. He was dispatched.

    I don’t blame the dog in this case or in the incidents that have shaped my opinions, the owners are all to blame. Maybe this is why I’ve never been a love my dog more than myself kind of guy either?? At any rate, I’m disappointed to see the anti-law enforcement sentiment from so many.

    Bassn Dan
    Posts: 977
    #955145

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    Here’s another thought: charge the dog owner with harboring a dangerous animal and assault on a police officer.

    Dan



    I hope that was sarcasm.


    Not at all.

    Dangerous breed dogs make as much sense as wiring a shotgun to your front door.

    Both are programmed to senselessly kill. And like wiring a shotgun to your door, attack dogs should be illegal.

    phigs
    Twin Cities, MN
    Posts: 1046
    #955224

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    Quote:


    Here’s another thought: charge the dog owner with harboring a dangerous animal and assault on a police officer.

    Dan



    I hope that was sarcasm.


    Not at all.

    Dangerous breed dogs make as much sense as wiring a shotgun to your front door.

    Both are programmed to senselessly kill. And like wiring a shotgun to your door, attack dogs should be illegal.


    I also have mixed feelings towards dangerous dogs. but….they went to the dog, the dog didn’t come to them.

    as much as i dislike pitbulls, and would never own one, if someone does, and it is kept contained, that is their right to own one.

    if you don’t want to get bit by the dog, don’t go in their back yard, you don’t belong there anyways, and have no right to be trespassing.

    Ralph Wiggum
    Maple Grove, MN
    Posts: 11764
    #955225

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    if you don’t want to get bit by the dog, don’t go in their back yard, you don’t belong there anyways, and have no right to be trespassing.


    While I agree with the statement, too many owners can’t/don’t keep their dogs under control. A screen door is not going to stop an excited dog. Nor is a 1/4″ rope. And don’t get me started about the folks that can’t control their dogs on a leash. If the dog is dragging you, it’s not under your control.

    mplspug
    Palmetto, Florida
    Posts: 25026
    #955226

    Maybe they should have called out asking the suspect if he was on the private property first. If he said yes, then they should have called to the home owner asking for permission to enter. Sheesh, don’t these officers follow some common sense protocol?

    Was this the sketch of the suspect?

    dave-barber
    St Francis, MN
    Posts: 2100
    #955249

    So… if instead of an attack dog, it was a packer fan in the back yard… do you think they would give the police a medal?

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