Arbor or President?

  • kruger
    Metro,mn
    Posts: 593
    #1271466

    Im in the market for a new reel its going to be a Pflueger I just cant make up my mind which one. I have been looking at the Arbor and the President and would like some opinoins. I own 2 Presidents already but im kinda interested in the new Arbor. This reel is going to sit on my St. Croix eyecon (6’6” ML) opinions would be great!

    joe-winter
    St. Peter, MN
    Posts: 1281
    #950695

    if you are going to be using it for casting or pitching then get the Arbor. If rigging or vertical jigging, I would stick with the President. I saw at gander the other day that the had the Supreme XT on sale for $99. I prefer that reel but each of us have our budgets.

    Randy Wieland
    Lebanon. WI
    Posts: 13473
    #950696

    Are you going to load it with Floro? If so, the Arbor.

    mule170
    Bemidji
    Posts: 299
    #950697

    I have 4 arbor’s and they are awesome! Great casting reel with the oversized spool. Also great because the main spool is designed for braid line. The spool has raised rubber pads so the braid will not slip. Very smooth drag also.

    tom_gursky
    Michigan's Upper Peninsula(Iron Mountain)
    Posts: 4751
    #950702

    No brainer for me! ARBOR 4730…

    slipperybob
    Lil'Can, MN
    Posts: 1414
    #919431

    The smaller butt line guide on the eyecon rod, would perform better with the President. If you get the longer rod with the larger butt line guide, it would perform better with the Arbor. Larger spool, larger line guide.

    blufloyd
    Posts: 698
    #950739

    I got an Arbor. I’d go with a President more reel more bearings plus never had to redo the build job on a President. Arbor just comes loose all the time. It isn’t holding up to serious crappie fishing. It’s getting phased out next month for a President or three.

    tom_gursky
    Michigan's Upper Peninsula(Iron Mountain)
    Posts: 4751
    #950743

    Dean has posted on this issue before…
    Time lapse photography has shown that the coils coming off a smaller diameter (President) spool are much tighter and more numerous between the spool and 1st running guide than the wider spool (Arbor)…diminishing castibility.(especially in cold weather) That is the basis of the industry movement to wide arbor spools. The improvement in casting with braid and flourocarbon are even more profound.
    I recently replaced the smaller 25 series Supreme XTs on all my spin rigs… XS63MXF, XS 66MF, XS 69MLXF, XS 610MXF and XS70MF with 4730 Arbors and they cast much better with the same line.
    Inspite of being smoother, having a wider spool, more capacity, and a better drag, the Arbor weighs 1/2oz less…but it is $20 more.

    slipperybob
    Lil'Can, MN
    Posts: 1414
    #950787

    I guess I wasn’t fully thinking it out, but only thinking of something that has always been stuck on me. (One of those invincible 18 year old turned into genious college sudent back in the days if you can relate ) I used to follow the belief that bigger was better, but that all changed over the years as I’m began to pay more attention to what was actually happening. It must have a lot to do with weight of lure and the physics of that ratio to line pull. Granted it never bothered me with heavier weights from 1/4 oz and up. However with light weights of 1/8 oz and lighter, I’ve always found the line slap drag to be counter productive. In theory, a bigger cone of line coil would catch more air resistance vs a smaller cone of line coil. As also applied to the line diameter change on the reel spool with bigger spool having less line diameter change vs the smaller spool with a greater diameter change as line goes out. There’s a threshold that one becomes counterproductive to another. I’ve just merely found that another thing consistent, was that whenever I used larger spools/reels on rods with smaller line guides, it always felt like my casting was fighting an unknown resistance. Granted I could not got two identical rods with only changes in line guides to test the theory out, but it was always there in various rods from UL to H power. Only did I changed into smaller reels, did I find out that the smaller reels outpeformed the larger reels on the rods with smaller first line guides. There was always the occasional cast where I overshot my casting distance with the smaller reels unexpectedly where I always remembered putting the effort into the cast with the larger reels using same lines from 4# mono to 8#. The only conclusion I could draw was there’s a bottleneck in the line flow.

    Then again there might be something else. Another hairbrain theory of long stroke spool vs short stroke spools. I might be chasing my own tail on that one. I would give the smallest Arbor a chance since I don’t think it’s excessive, but I still simply cannot buy bigger is just better marketing. I have US Reel to thank for that. Since the rod industry is currently raving about smaller and smaller line guides to save weight and increase rod sensitivity. Then they’er marketing the increased casting distance with smaller line guides. Something I’m not buying with micro guides either, especially when it comes to spinning reels. Two things on completely different concepts, both marketing increased casting distance. I was a little taken back with the eyecon rods when I saw the smaller line guides. Only thing that seems level headed to me is bigger line guides for bigger reel spools, smaller line guides for smaller reel spools. Really it’s just a small portion of the idea about balancing everything and each person will sort of have a feel for what they want and tweak things as they go.

    tom_gursky
    Michigan's Upper Peninsula(Iron Mountain)
    Posts: 4751
    #950846

    I like your thinking process Bob!
    Current info out there tells us that the Micro guides cut down on the line slap and enhance castibility
    That is contrary to the “old” school thoughts that all of us were led to think was true
    I have a US Reel 230XS that I have yet to use but am itchin to experiment with…
    I can tell you that the top end on my St. Croix Extreme spin rods are as small as micro guides and they cast beautiful. I tried a Boyd Duckett casting rod with micro guides and it cast like a dream! I guess we have to keep an open mind these days…

    kruger
    Metro,mn
    Posts: 593
    #950872

    I like the idea of the larger spool in the sense that my line wont coil as much and the idea about the larger cone angle presented by Bob makes sense as well. From reading all the ideas it mays seem like a smaller Arbor may be in order! THANKS for all the help guys!

    slipperybob
    Lil'Can, MN
    Posts: 1414
    #950886

    The one rod, I’m thinking about is the Doug Hannon’s Microwave spinning rod. A total opposite concept of larger spool spinning reels.

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