DNR sharpshooters kill 2 COWS!!

Why would his cattle be on that property? Like B.K. said lets hear everything.
If the cattle were on there, maybe they should have been killed.

There have been beef cattle on the old elk farm property for the last few months. There is a feeding station for them quite close to one of the gates along the hiway.

I was military pay office, and the stuff I had to pay people to compensate for losses done by irresponsiple military personel. Well that’s just something that doesn’t get spoken in detail, or just use your imagination with the things you seen on tv or at the movies.

Rifle marksmanship goes in order of Marksman, Sharpshooter, and finally Expert. A Sharpshooter is only midgrade.

Come on guys, everyone knows there is WAY more meat on an angus than on a whitetail… Less “gamey” too.

I see an opportunity for the flea collar manufacturer’s

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we have a owner of two dead cows that will publicly say he is not allowed to talk about it not even with his own son. so the facts are

2 dead cows
located on the old elk farm property
1 farmer (owner of dead cattle) not allowed to talk about it

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Drew please do not take this reply the wrong way I am not trying to throw you under the bus I just want to make sure I have my facts straight.

Are you saying that you got your info from the owner of the two cows that were shot or is this the talk that is going around town?

steve i cant tell anybody who i got my info from, that being said i wouldnt sign my name too anything this ridiculous if i didnt think it were true and if it isnt true and the DNR can prove its nots true I will revoke everything i said but at this point the DNR hasnt Denied it and the place i obtained my information from is sticking to their story……

By the way the DNR is very upset with me at the moment and has asked me to meet with them and “look at paper work” at this time i have refused to meet with them and have asked them too prove to me its not true and i will revoke everything i said but they need to prove it to me.

they were also very concerned about who gave me my info and also said that there were never cattle in the high fence well lol they are still there, they have been moved from the high way fence to one of the back pastures behind the haney ranch.

we shoudl all get to here the truth sooner or later…….

True or False i want answers

Why not meet with them? Then you would would at least get it straight from the DNR’s mouth.

I might guess that if they are willing to sit down and talk, then it would seem they have an interest in getting the whole story out and as much fact as possible.

If you want them tp prove whatever to you, it will be hard if you are no willing to sit down and listen to them at a minimum.

That only seems fair. Seems they are willing to give you the answers you are looking for by meeting with them.

I agree with you Tom.
How can they prove anything to Drew if he won’t meet with them!

they might be? i dunno i talked on the phone with him for 30 min. and listned to everything he had to say the only thing he was concerned about is who owned the cattle….. and who told me… well if they can find my cell phone # they can figure out whos cattle are within the high fence also he told me that they have had “NO OPERATION NEAR THE ELK FENCE” well thats a bunch of bull and i called him out on it he had no response i herd all i needed to here for now when they have some facts for me and quit lying to me on the phone i will meet with them.

my opinion though

Lie to me on the phone…….
lie to me in person…….

kinda like once a cheater always a cheater.

he got pretty quiet when i called him out on his lies he didnt even in my mind know what all is going on down here.

many people are grateful for the meat they donated and the oportunities to harvest a deer. but enough is enough stop the carnage!! im getting of subject for this forum so i will leave it at that.

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they have been moved from the high way fence to one of the back pastures behind the haney ranch.

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You spelled “Hoehne” wrong…..hmmmm…..maybe you don’t know everything?

lol yeah i dont know all and i sure as hell couldnt remember of hand how to spell “hoehne” now i do thank you jake. im not to great at my spelling

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they have been moved from the high way fence to one of the back pastures behind the haney ranch.

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You spelled “Hoehne” wrong…..hmmmm…..maybe you don’t know everything?

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Spell it anyway you want….He knows what he is talking about. I have heard too.

Drew, I feel for the hunters in SE MN but I think you have to listen and get involved if you want to be taken seriously. If you can’t listen to them and try to resolve your differences how will anything get fixed? I understand and can tell by your posts that you are very passionate about this topic. Just getting on the internet and ranting will solve nothing at all. Have that sit down with them and listen to their side. If you then still have concerns then you can go from there. There is no way it is going to resolve itself without cooperation.

As far as the cows are concerned, it could be true and it might not. As far as I am concerned it is just a rumor until the facts come out. If I may play devils advocate here I might suggest that someone unhappy with the DNR did it just to mud up the waters a little more. Again, this is just speculation as it is with the killing of the cows. See, it can go both ways.

It is not an easy fix for anyone. The DNR is faced with many decisions that are not easy to make. If they just tested road kill and waited until the next hunting season, like you suggested, and found many deer with CWD people would be calling for their heads. They would say “why did you sit back and wait”, now we have a terrible problem that can’t be fixed. You can see that they would be hung out to dry either way.

This is a problem that many states will be facing in the future and we as sportsmen and women need to step up and work with the DNR and not against them. After all if we sit back and not engage in respectful dialogue our voices will not be heard. The rants will be ignored and so will our voice in the matter.

What a bunch of cloak and dagger BS. What is this “cant talk about it” stuff!?!? I think you guys should sick one of the TV stations on this story. Sounds like something they would love and you KNOW they would find out the truth on the shot cows.

Very well stated.

If one has any thoughts of curing an issue, both sides will need to sit down and talk it out.

Blaming the DNR without sitting down with them will resolve nothing.

Seems as I read through all the posts, I have found no evidence that any cows were shot.

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What a bunch of cloak and dagger BS. What is this “cant talk about it” stuff!?!? I think you guys should sick one of the TV stations on this story. Sounds like something they would love and you KNOW they would find out the truth on the shot cows.

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the process has began, we were told by people close to this matter that we would have seen soemthing in the paper last week well it never came so thats why i came here with it to open it up to more of the public than just us “pine islanders” i do agree we do need to work with the DNR to resolve the problems just because i wouldnt meet with them dosnt mean i didnt and wont work with them i just want them to have some facts for me when i meet with them as of right now they claim that they have no fact to show me that they have killeed cows or havnt.

As of right now, do you have any facts to show them that they shot 2 cows?

What is in the paperwork that the DNR wants to show you or discuss with you? Coulkd be that they have some facts to show you if you were to give them a chance.

I am not sure how they are suppose to show you facts that they did not shoot a cow if they do not know about it.

I agree with you Drew that if the sharpshooters did shoot 2 cows that it does need to be addressed. Maybe you could help them see that it did happen with those facts you have.

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As of right now, do you have any facts to show them that they shot 2 cows?

What is in the paperwork that the DNR wants to show you or discuss with you? Coulkd be that they have some facts to show you if you were to give them a chance.

I am not sure how they are suppose to show you facts that they did not shoot a cow if they do not know about it.

I agree with you Drew that if the sharpshooters did shoot 2 cows that it does need to be addressed. Maybe you could help them see that it did happen with those facts you have.

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i just said that i would work with the DNR and i also said that they told me that they have no facts to show me, just “paper work” maybe it is soemthing worth seeing. i told them to contact me when they had any information for me and i also pointed them in a direction to where i found my information. i just have refused to meet with somebody when they have no facts for me i would be wasting my time when they have information for me they will contact me and we will go from there and when i get any information you people will be the first to know i promise.

right now they have allot of fingers pointed in their direction so i assume they will either go to the public with something or contact locals like my self with information on the subject… until then lets just sit back and wait.

I have been informed that some information has been forwarded to steve plantz on this issue from the DNR stating that no cows were killed on the property and that the owner of the cattle claims that no cows have been killed.

Steve may post some of this information on here soon.

I have been doing some research on this story and I was also contacted by Lou Cornicelli of the MN DNR, he emailed me a copy of a letter sent to the DNR from Tower Investments, the company that owns Elk Run. I also talked to Drew on the phone and he asked me to post the info that I have here on IDO. I am not able to attach the copy of the letter here so I had to type it out by hand.

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March 21, 2011

Minnesota Department of Natural Resources
Att:Dave Pauly
2300 Silver Creek Road NE
Rochester, MN 55906

Re: Sharpshooters on Elk Run Property

Dear Mr.Pauly:

Tower Investments executed a permission forum with the USDA on March 1, 2011. With this form we granted their team of sharpshooters authority to shoot deer on Tower Investments property both inside and outside of the Elk Run fences. to date they have not shot any deer on Tower Investments property (inside or outside the fenced area). Additionally, I confirmed this morning with our pasture renter – Dave O’Brian that no cattle have been mistakenly shot by sharp shooters within the Elk Run fence area. Feel free to call Dave directly at xxx-xxx-xxxx if you have any questions.

Sincerely,

Geoffrey G Griffin
Project Manager

Cc: Dave O’Brian

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thank you steve

All I can say is Wow .What happened to all your factual information Drew !

this shouldn’t be a pile on Drew session, he was going off of what he was told, and as everyone knows there’s always two sides to each story.

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It’s good Drew brought the whole ordeal to this site so all are aware of what is happening.

We may not all agree or think a bit differently about what should happen but as sportsman and women, we need to hang together.

There are times when one gets very passionate about their beliefs on some subjects and one cannot fault them for that.

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this shouldn’t be a pile on Drew session, he was going off of what he was told, and as everyone knows there’s always two sides to each story.

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I agree 100% and that is why I called Drew before I posted the info I had. I wanted him to know that this was not meant to prove him wrong, just to put out there the info I recived. Like I said Drew asked me to post this and was ok with it.

All I’m saying is alot people were getting all worked up about this and alot of name calling was going on, and now we get a whoops I guess this was all just a bad joke or what I mean it’s not even April fools day yet

I do believe the WI DNR add the beef herd into there deer count if that helps any

Good thing North Dakota does not include the open range cattle in the count. They would have a HUGE herd.