Guys – I am serious when I say we have rough seas

  • Grouse_Dog
    The Shores of Lake Harriet
    Posts: 2043
    #1270883

    ahead….

    This is going to get ugly…
    With Wisconsin in the throws of a budget crisis and more pros predicting multi-billion bond defaults, is a serious crisis coming?

    Strategic investor and CNBC contributor Doug Kass sure thinks so. And the founder and president of Seabreeze Partners says you’re probably underestimating the enormity of the problem.

    As a topic, we know municipal bonds is enough to make you glaze over – but Kass isn’t talking about yields or hard to understand finance.

    He simply believes the financial health of local and state governments is extremely precarious and the ripples generated by the fallout will be much worse than you realize.

    Kass is most focused on shortfalls in pension funds (estimated to be anywhere between $1 and $3 trillion depending how the numbers are crunched.)

    The way in which governments service that kind of debt is at the heart of this issue. Governments will potentially cut jobs, freeze wages, raise taxes and make deep spending cuts.

    All that generates “a toxic cocktail of elevated unemployment and higher marginal tax rates,” Kass says. And pretty soon we’re looking at problems that “jeopardize the economic recovery.”

    Kass isn’t alone in his prediction. Widely followed analyst Meredith Whitney says much the same.

    “There’s not a doubt in my mind that you will see a spate of municipal bond defaults,” she said in a “60 Minutes” interview. “You could see 50 sizable defaults, 50 to 100 sizable defaults, more. This will amount to hundreds of billions of dollars worth of defaults.”

    As an investor what’s the takeaway? Kass says it’s really quite simple. Expect the consumer to remain the Achilles heel of the economy.”

    That goes along with what he told us about a week ago; that the rally would soon come to a screeching halt.

    As you might expect he suggests playing it short – but what you might not expect is that he likes shorting dental stocks such as Patterson [PDCO 33.85 -0.51 (-1.48%) ] or Henry Schein [HSIC 69.85 0.56 (+0.81%) ]. Why dental? “40% of dental procedures are elective and can be postponed,” he explains.

    We know what you’re thinking? Doug Kass is a bear. He’s been predicting the demise of this rally for months.

    It’s true that he leans on the pessimistic side but he’s also widely followed for his market timing – he correctly called a bottom last summer and also predicted the crisis lows in March 2009.

    Maybe, just maybe he’s onto something. What do you think? We want to know!

    francisco4
    Holmen, WI
    Posts: 3607
    #939087

    Quote:


    ahead….

    This is going to get ugly…
    With Wisconsin in the throws of a budget crisis and more pros predicting multi-billion bond defaults, is a serious crisis coming?

    Strategic investor and CNBC contributor Doug Kass sure thinks so. And the founder and president of Seabreeze Partners says you’re probably underestimating the enormity of the problem.

    As a topic, we know municipal bonds is enough to make you glaze over – but Kass isn’t talking about yields or hard to understand finance.

    He simply believes the financial health of local and state governments is extremely precarious and the ripples generated by the fallout will be much worse than you realize.

    Kass is most focused on shortfalls in pension funds (estimated to be anywhere between $1 and $3 trillion depending how the numbers are crunched.)

    The way in which governments service that kind of debt is at the heart of this issue. Governments will potentially cut jobs, freeze wages, raise taxes and make deep spending cuts.

    All that generates “a toxic cocktail of elevated unemployment and higher marginal tax rates,” Kass says. And pretty soon we’re looking at problems that “jeopardize the economic recovery.”

    Kass isn’t alone in his prediction. Widely followed analyst Meredith Whitney says much the same.

    “There’s not a doubt in my mind that you will see a spate of municipal bond defaults,” she said in a “60 Minutes” interview. “You could see 50 sizable defaults, 50 to 100 sizable defaults, more. This will amount to hundreds of billions of dollars worth of defaults.”

    As an investor what’s the takeaway? Kass says it’s really quite simple. Expect the consumer to remain the Achilles heel of the economy.”

    That goes along with what he told us about a week ago; that the rally would soon come to a screeching halt.

    As you might expect he suggests playing it short – but what you might not expect is that he likes shorting dental stocks such as Patterson [PDCO 33.85 -0.51 (-1.48%) ] or Henry Schein [HSIC 69.85 0.56 (+0.81%) ]. Why dental? “40% of dental procedures are elective and can be postponed,” he explains.

    We know what you’re thinking? Doug Kass is a bear. He’s been predicting the demise of this rally for months.

    It’s true that he leans on the pessimistic side but he’s also widely followed for his market timing – he correctly called a bottom last summer and also predicted the crisis lows in March 2009.

    Maybe, just maybe he’s onto something. What do you think? We want to know!


    Dog,

    Reading the same stuff as you and trying to come up with a game plan.

    FDR

    James Holst
    Keymaster
    SE Minnesota
    Posts: 18926
    #939088

    Glenn Beck says buy gold.

    Tom P.
    Whitehall Wi.
    Posts: 3526
    #939095

    It is scary when one considers many people that invest in municipal bonds do so as a very secure investment. Any municipality or state that would file for bankruptcy would null and void all the bonds. Or at the very least be darn near worthless.

    wally1992
    Evansville MN
    Posts: 278
    #939102

    What happened to our censcorship on this site. I come here to get away from everyday life. Sorry, I was expecting some pics from your trip and i am greeted with this.
    Maybe your next Headline could be ” Bullheads abound at Capitol”,suckers layin low.

    webstj
    Mazeppa, MN
    Posts: 535
    #939111

    If you keep a couple fishin poles, a few guns, plenty of ammo, and have some boy scout skills, everything will be just fine. Make sure your wife and family know how to use them also.

    DaveB
    Inver Grove Heights MN
    Posts: 4469
    #939131

    I am not a muni expert, but I do know a little bit about the markets.

    What makes you think that a muni is worthless if a state goes bankrupt? Can a state declare bankrupcy? Arent most munis issued by cities or counties? Doesnt it matter if they are general obligations or revenue bonds?

    mplspug
    Palmetto, Florida
    Posts: 25026
    #939135

    Quote:


    Glenn Beck says buy gold.



    Wahhhh? So does Ed Schultz?

    Grouse_Dog
    The Shores of Lake Harriet
    Posts: 2043
    #939150

    You can’t continue to TAX/SPEND and the same rates today and expect the public to continue to fund. Accountability is a BIACTH. Everything is negotiable.

    If you haven’t learned that, over the past two years, you have not been paying attention. People don’t have to pay their mortgages, insurance companies don’t have to pay claims, banks don’t have to fail, GM doesn’t have to fail. Everything is negotiable. The STATE and CITY governments are in a for a nasty wake up call – as the well begins to run dry.

    Dog

    riverfan
    MN
    Posts: 1531
    #939168

    Quote:


    What happened to our censcorship on this site. I come here to get away from everyday life. Sorry, I was expecting some pics from your trip and i am greeted with this.


    Ditto…lets get back to our roots!

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