Labor facts to know and tell.

Some facts you can look up for yourselves. Between 1929 and 1973, U.S. incomes didn’t become less equal, they became MORE equal, paralleling the formation of and rise of unions to power. From 1980 to 2005, more than 80 percent of total increase in Americans’ income went to the top 1 percent. The top 1% of Americans saw their real income rise 700% between 1980 and 2007. Now, 10% own 80% of the nation’s property. In Japan, the average CEO’s salary is 11 times greater than the average workers salary. In the United States,the average CEO’s salary is 475 times greater than the average workers salary. All the later coinciding with the disappearance of and/or loss of union power.
Hmmm, very interesting.

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Glad you are able to lock up these hard and fast truths

Very interesting. The big businesses keep getting bigger and with all the money comes lots of power. It’s very obvious the middle class are becoming the poor and the rich get richer. Very good information troutman. There was also a recent article saying that 15 years ago the average income for the middle class was $30,000. Today the average income for the middle class is $30,000. The “rich” their average income has gone up 33% in the last 15 years!

Yeah, but to hear it around here, its the union’s fault, that there is such a disparency.. Yet when Labor was in its prime.. it wasn’t like that..

its the continuing out and out LIE, that business owners spread..

Let me say this.. I have guys who are my friends who are conservative.. mostly because of the abortion issue.. Both of whom are or were on Badger care..

Yet, the one guy’s boss, gave himself and other of the “management team” thousands of dollars in bonuses THIS YEAR, while my friend, who had to work 50 hours a week, still remains on Badger care..

so this business, which will remain nameless, in Western Wisconsin.. not only is excelling.. but they are making YOU , the tax payer , pay for this guys health insurance.. instead of the business.. and gave them selves thousands of dollars in bonus because the business had such a good year..

Pirahna’s don’t eat each other..

I think the point was, why are all of the budget problems aimed at a few lower-middle class workers?

The country is not being steered Republican or Democrats, it’s corporate driven, and the truly wealthy must be enjoying watching this show. Divide and conquer wasn’t by design, but it’s happening.

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I think the point was, why are all of the budget problems aimed at a few lower-middle class workers?

The country is not being steered Republican or Democrats, it’s corporate driven, and the truly wealthy must be enjoying watching this show. Divide and conquer wasn’t by design, but it’s happening.

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Well said!

Everyone needs to separate public and private unions….

Private unions do have their place and collective bargaining is something they should have. Private corporations can make a profit and bargaining with workers who provide for that product is appropriate.

Public unions were not originally intended to have collective bargaining, as they are bargaining against shutting down our government ( a bad thing even for the progressive socialists here in MN ) Government does not make a profit, the government can only take from one tax payer and give to another. There is an inherent conflict of interest when the person who receives money to get elected from unions also negotiates future salary and benefit plans for that same person.

This is just step one in many problems with our government. We must get the foxes out of the hen house…

you chose your profession, now live with it.
if you want CEO money, go be a CEO.
and when you are a CEO making the big bucks you can turn around and give the money to the little people.

“You cannot help the poor by desroying the rich”
“You cannot strengthen the week by weakening the strong”
“You cannot lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down”
“You cannot help people permanently by doing for them, what they could and should do for them selves”

Abraham Lincoln

A quote often, but mistakenly attributed to Abraham Lincoln.(See Snopes) It was penned by a Presbyterian minister named John Henry Boetcker, more than 50 years after Lincolns death.The Reverend also served as director of the pro-employer, Citizens Industrial Alliance.
This was in or around 1916 and I doubt CEO pay was 475 times the average employee back then.

This is getting awfully close to ‘political’ and I don’t want to feed the fire, so I hope this comes off as an honest question.

How is this:

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any different when a tax payer donates to a politician and then that politician negotiates their tax rates?

Disclosure: I am a member of the teachers union so I am obviously biased, but I think its a good question.

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any different when a tax payer donates to a politician and then that politician negotiates their tax rates?

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You don’t see a difference in a tax and compensation? Especially when the compensation is paid by the tax?

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This is getting awfully close to ‘political’ and I don’t want to feed the fire, so I hope this comes off as an honest question.

How is this:

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There is an inherent conflict of interest when the person who receives money to get elected from unions also negotiates future salary and benefit plans for that same person.

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any different when a tax payer donates to a politician and then that politician negotiates their tax rates?

Disclosure: I am a member of the teachers union so I am obviously biased, but I think its a good question.

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Another question…. in a democratic society.. if 93% of the taxpayers, want collective bargaining removed from publicly funded employed positions and 7% do not… what should an elected official of the people, decide for them ??? Very serious question also… whch I believe kind of answers the one you posed….

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any different when a tax payer donates to a politician and then that politician negotiates their tax rates?

Disclosure: I am a member of the teachers union so I am obviously biased, but I think its a good question.

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To be honest, not much different if at all, this issue comes to the heart of government today, that politicians are bought and paid for in almost all instances. At all levels of govt, very few look to what is best for our country, state, county, or city when voting versus who put them there and if they want to keep their seat.

There is just as much need to get a need to fix how elections are paid for as there is to stop spending money that does not exist.

Term limits at all levels and you cannot run for office while in office is a good first step. Step two, any contributions to elected officials goes to buy down the debt, no party or politician gets to keep it.

Hey, I can dream…

troutman,
thanks for bringing this to my attention.
it was also pointed out to me that my sig file may be a little to political. changes have been made.
all i want to do is play nice on the field of opinions.

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troutman,
thanks for bringing this to my attention.
it was also pointed out to me that my sig file may be a little to political. changes have been made.
all i want to do is play nice on the field of opinions.

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Everyone has behaved themselves incredibly well to this point.

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Doctor bill is in the mail for them stitching up my tongue that I have been biting.

G,

93 percent of who?

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Everyone has behaved themselves incredibly well to this point.

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Doctor bill is in the mail for them stitching up my tongue that I have been biting.

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I hope you feel better, I already bit through mine…

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93 percent of who?

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Taxpayers.

He only won the election by a slim margin and never said anything during his election about union busting.

If you really think he was elected for what.. 4 years, for 1 issue.. .then you defintely were failed by a union school system