Shocked to see the dome thread got locked up. I’ve seen a lot worse I think. Must of offended somebody.
Anyway……..when the new Vikings stadium gets approved. Retractable roof or open air?
Lets keep the stadium debate out of this thread. 
Lets just discuss the pro’s and cons of a open air stadium.
I see absolutely no way they can build a open air stadium. For the cost it limits the usage far to much in my opinion.
Play nice now……………….
What happened to the dome!?!?!?!
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Shocked to see the dome thread got locked up. I’ve seen a lot worse I think. Must of offended somebody.
As is usually the case the replies that got the thread locked have been deleted. It got… personal.
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Shocked to see the dome thread got locked up. I’ve seen a lot worse I think. Must of offended somebody.
As is usually the case the replies that got the thread locked have been deleted. It got… personal.
Kinda like the Chevy vs Ford crowd. Them Chevy guys never learn. 
Anyway………roof or no roof?
I don’t care what they build… with Wilf’s and the NFL’s money. 
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I don’t care what they build… with Wilf’s and the NFL’s money.
Exactly! Just like boats are expensive toys for owners so should a professional sports team be for the owners. They don’t supplement my hobby nor should I there’s.
Believe me, some tax payers, who have never fished in their life, have supplemented your fishing hobby in more ways than 1….. Careful what we wish for 
big G
ROOF!!!!!!!!!!
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Kinda like the Chevy vs Ford crowd. Them Chevy guys never learn.
Us Dodge guys think it is kind of cute when you kids squabble over that. 
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Kinda like the Chevy vs Ford crowd. Them Chevy guys never learn.
Us Dodge guys think it is kind of cute when you kids squabble over that.
Do you really think your dodge omni is that tough? 
Outdoor…
And I thought Nebraska football was dramatic. After reading the dome thread I can see Husker football has nothing on you crybabies.
I thought the stadium disscusion was a good one,also I believe one persons opinion should not be taken offensivley by another,it all breaks down when we start hurling names at each other.
I truly believe the stadium will be built one way or the other.
Here is my opinion on how this could work
If it has an open air design, the majoity of that cost should be paid buy the Wilfs, with the NFL contributing.The remander would be paid by user fees in and around the stadium, with a tax on tickets,Vikings merchandise, and NFL merchandise. So I believe it would be payed for without imposing a tax that would burden most Minnesotans.
If the legislature decides that it wiill be a public facility that needs to be used year round, it would then require a dome. At that piont the state would have to step in and help pay for that cost. The tricky part here will be what revenue streams they can tap without placing a large tax burden on Minnesotas taxpayers. This is a slippery slope here, but it is one that leaders of both parties have been broaching for many years. It may be the perfect storm where several long standing debates could be laid to rest, ultimatley ending up in partership that would allow a domed or retractable roof stadium to be built.
Thats my two cents 
Oh wait a minute I forgot about parking revenue, and road ways 
Jeff H.
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I don’t care what they build… with Wilf’s and the NFL’s money.
AMEN BRUTHA
<< gettin’ down with the “hallelujah breakdown”
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I don’t care what they build… with Wilf’s and the NFL’s money.
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Am I the only one here that realizes the tax impositions? Losing the team altogether would hit the state much harder than paying for half the stadium through taxpayer dollars. Between income tax (on players, employees, etc)… and the tax earned on small business such as bars, merchandising, etc… It is basically a wash. It seems to me that it is just people’s pride standing in the way. I am heavily conservative. I want less Govt and less taxes. But.. I can also see the bigger picture. Nothing to do with a loyalty to the team. It is a fact that should the vikes move… there will be millions lost in tax revenue. Should they stay and build a new stadium (say… in blaine)… there will be an increase in revenues around that area, income/etc tax directly contributed from the team/company/etc will remain, and merchandising (jerseys, etc) sold in MN will continue to remain large.
i am all for some sort of pay-back option. BUT.. it needs to be done. All in all.. it will eventually be a wash for taxpayers.
Or… we can just continue down the road we are on and allow our taxpaying monies to be spent on welfare and the others that think Obama should pay their health care, mortgages, electricity, etc… 
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Am I the only one here that realizes the tax impositions? Losing the team altogether would hit the state much harder than paying for half the stadium through taxpayer dollars. Between income tax (on players, employees, etc)… and the tax earned on small business such as bars, merchandising, etc… It is basically a wash. It seems to me that it is just people’s pride standing in the way. I am heavily conservative. I want less Govt and less taxes. But.. I can also see the bigger picture. Nothing to do with a loyalty to the team. It is a fact that should the vikes move… there will be millions lost in tax revenue. Should they stay and build a new stadium (say… in blaine)… there will be an increase in revenues around that area, income/etc tax directly contributed from the team/company/etc will remain, and merchandising (jerseys, etc) sold in MN will continue to remain large.
i am all for some sort of pay-back option. BUT.. it needs to be done. All in all.. it will eventually be a wash for taxpayers.
Or… we can just continue down the road we are on and allow our taxpaying monies to be spent on welfare and the others that think Obama should pay their health care, mortgages, electricity, etc…
And the numbers to back up all these tax loses are??????
al
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All in all.. it will eventually be a wash for taxpayers.
How often have we heard this type of claim regarding some project supported (at least partially) by some gov’t funding mechanism? 
How often has it actually turned out to be true?
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Am I the only one here that realizes the tax impositions? Losing the team altogether would hit the state much harder than paying for half the stadium through taxpayer dollars. Between income tax (on players, employees, etc)… and the tax earned on small business such as bars, merchandising, etc… It is basically a wash. It seems to me that it is just people’s pride standing in the way. I am heavily conservative. I want less Govt and less taxes. But.. I can also see the bigger picture. Nothing to do with a loyalty to the team. It is a fact that should the vikes move… there will be millions lost in tax revenue. Should they stay and build a new stadium (say… in blaine)… there will be an increase in revenues around that area, income/etc tax directly contributed from the team/company/etc will remain, and merchandising (jerseys, etc) sold in MN will continue to remain large.
i am all for some sort of pay-back option. BUT.. it needs to be done. All in all.. it will eventually be a wash for taxpayers.
Or… we can just continue down the road we are on and allow our taxpaying monies to be spent on welfare and the others that think Obama should pay their health care, mortgages, electricity, etc…
Many people believe these teams are a goose that lays a golden egg for the communities that fund them. There’s much research out there that points in the opposite direction.
Google http://www.google.com/search?q=economic+impact+of+nfl+franchise
You’ll find a LOT of studies, articles and conclusions that go something like this >>>
Baade, an economics and business professor at Lake Forest College in Illinois, did research several years ago that found little to no economic impact when Los Angeles lost both of its pro football teams, the Raiders and Rams.
Now, do I want to see the Vikings leave? Nope. I enjoy watching them. But I also feel building the Vikings a new stadium so we can pad the owner’s bottom line to be a very bad idea when the state is faced with a 6 Billion dollar budget deficit.
Outdoor – in L.A. (bye, bye)
Based on this…A study in March found the Minnesota Vikings’ playoff victory against the Dallas Cowboys in January was a financial win for the region of about $13 million. Using that estimate for eight regular-season games (we know a playoff game may bring more activity), would equal $104 million. We could find no similar studies for the Atlanta Falcons.
it would be millions for MN lost… LA lost the teams they had (Rams & Raiders) becuase they couldn’t get the support… hence, very little impact when they left. Let’s face it, there is alot more to do in LA from Sept to Dec, than there is in MN, plus they have the Lakers (a team that left MPLS) and we have the Wolves 
thank god for hunting & fishing !!
big G
Football was meant to be played in the elements on a grass field. Anything else is just arena football.
The Vikings should play in a dome.
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Based on this…A study in March found the Minnesota Vikings’ playoff victory against the Dallas Cowboys in January was a financial win for the region of about $13 million. Using that estimate for eight regular-season games (we know a playoff game may bring more activity), would equal $104 million. We could find no similar studies for the Atlanta Falcons.
You assume that the money spent on these games WOULDN’T be spent on other entertainment activities in the absence of the games taking place. This oversight is highlighted time after time in the studies I’ve read tonight. Just because a football game results in 13 million in receipts doesn’t mean that a very similar dollar amount is not spent at a wide variety of restaurants, concerts, clubs, etc., over the same time period. We’re talking about the spending of discretionary income. People will spend discretionary income on something. Football, gambling, food… it just doesn’t matter to the local economy where it gets spent. It just needs to get spent. And that’s the conclusion I keep running into. Study after study finds that these same dollars are spent. And when this economic activity takes place with businesses that are paying for their own buildings… all the better.
I found some of Baade’s actual study online. It is a good read. Here’s the summary provided.
“Southern Economic Journal”
Sports leagues, franchises, and civic boosters tout the economic benefits of professional sports as an incentive for host cities to construct new stadiums or arenas at considerable public expense. Past league-sponsored studies have estimated that new stadiums, franchises, and mega-events such as the Super Bowl increase economic activity by potentially hundreds of millions of dollars in host cities. A detailed regression analysis of taxable sales in Florida over the period extending from 1980 to 2005 fails to support these claims. New stadiums, arenas, and franchises, as well as mega-events, appear to be as likely to reduce taxable sales as increase them. Similarly, strikes and lockouts in professional sports have not systematically lead to reductions in local taxable sales.
The fact that local sales tax receipts don’t fall during football or baseball strikes goes a long ways towards supporting the idea that discretionary dollars will be spent with or without these franchises.
And with that… I’m out. There’s lots of work to do. And, after all, as a small business owner… I’ve got a new building to pay for and payroll to cover.
Call me stupid, but with all the people out of work these days it really doesn’t make sense to me to burden the tax-payers, not now. There’s a lot of people out there who need a new roof on their homes and can’t afford the shingles. If Ziggy wants a new roof let him pay for it himself, otherwise I am perfectly content rooting for the Vikings as they play in L.A. 
nobody can argue what the xcel energy center did for downtown st paul.
if they do it right, it will greatly impact the surrounding areas and revenue (ie: tax dollars). If the cities made nothing off of it, they wouldn’t agree to put stake in these stadiums, there is a reason that cities all over the country help pay for them.
and do people not realize that companies get breaks to come to areas. if a large corporation wanted to move their headquarters to MSP, do you not think that those cities would not cut some breaks somehow to get them to move there? they always have, and always will.
spend some up front, to make a lot in the long run.
but…more on topic:
as much as i would love to see an open air stadium like lambeau, it isn’t realistic anymore. anything built needs to be able to be a multi venue site, and having a concert or anything else in the winter in this state, would be nonexistant in the winter. they need to have an enclosed building, so they can have concerts, and whatnot, during the offseason.
Target Field….
TCF Bank Stadium….
Excel Energy Center….
All examples of succesful Stadiums
The Vikings are not going anywhere
Lets get back to fishing and let this one lay until Febuary
Too bad they don’t hold the Pro Bowl at team stadiums. I’d like to see an economic impact of the Super Bowl when it was here. We had to have had a big boost in outside money flowing into the state. And I would think a new stadium would put us on the short list.
I think pro teams economic impact are a big intangible. Certainly they are a vanity thing for civic pride, however you can’t think of yourself as a major city without them.
I think that the government just needs to take a hardline with Ziggy and get as much back for as little as possible put in to the deal. Problem is, government isn’t exactly known for taking a hard line and treating money like anything other than fruit from a make believe tree.
Its just the reality if you want a sports team. The state and local government is going to have to help.
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Call me stupid, but with all the people out of work these days it really doesn’t make sense to me to burden the tax-payers, not now. There’s a lot of people out there who need a new roof on their homes and can’t afford the shingles. If Ziggy wants a new roof let him pay for it himself, otherwise I am perfectly content rooting for the Vikings as they play in L.A.
Yeah I say the whole country stops buiding, that’ll solve the unemployment problem.
Back on topic………. for me I live about 3 hours N of the Twin cities and there is no way I would go to a Vikings game with no roof. Let me see……. put out hundreds of dollars for 3-4 hours of entertainment and then have it rain or snow on me? I am not a big fan of paying out $$$ for a sporting event and then freeze my –s off. Or a snow storm moves in and I can’t get to the game to begin with? Just like the Twins, I will not go to the new Stadium and sit there in 90 degrees or have a chance for a delayed or canceled game because of weather. These situations might be OK if you live in the Twin Cities but for us that live considerable distances away a roof is the only option IMHO.
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Back on topic………. for me I live about 3 hours N of the Twin cities and there is no way I would go to a Vikings game with no roof. Let me see……. put out hundreds of dollars for 3-4 hours of entertainment and then have it rain or snow on me? I am not a big fan of paying out $$$ for a sporting event and then freeze my –s off. Or a snow storm moves in and I can’t get to the game to begin with? Just like the Twins, I will not go to the new Stadium and sit there in 90 degrees or have a chance for a delayed or canceled game because of weather. These situations might be OK if you live in the Twin Cities but for us that live considerable distances away a roof is the only option IMHO.
These are the exact reasons my dad won’t go to another Vikings game if they don’t put a roof on the place. His job doesn’t allow him to take time off until December each year. By then, he says “No way in HECK he is sitting outside after driving 6+ hours to get to the game.” 
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