Wisc. anglers caught with more than 2200 fish

  • hookem
    Hastings,Minn.
    Posts: 1027
    #1267938

    This story is on Kare 11 website.
    It will make you mad!!

    MADISON, Wis. — Wildlife officials have arrested 13 Milwaukee-area men for catching more than 2,238 fish on the Chippewa flowage in northern Wisconsin.

    Department of Natural Resources officials say the men were arrested on May 21 after a number of anonymous tips. Warden Supervisor Rick Rosen said officials believe more people are involved. Rosen said some anglers may have been tipped off that DNR officials were on the way and left.

    The fish some large mouth bass, but were mostly pan fish like crappies and blue gills. DNR officials say wardens needed six hours to count all the fish.

    The men, who range in age from 34 to 74, face up to $71,280 in total forfeitures and restitution. DNR spokesman Jim Bishop says they were part of a church group.

    The Chippewa flowage is a premiere vacation destination for many anglers.

    wimwuen
    LaCrosse, WI
    Posts: 1960
    #878772

    Why don’t they raise the fines? That’s what drives me nuts. Yes $70,000 seems like a lot, but when you think about it, it’s like $35 per fish over the limit. I’d like to see huge fines like $2000 per fish over.

    It wouldn’t take many of these stories with $500,000 fines to show that the DNR means business.

    jonny p
    Waskish, MN
    Posts: 668
    #878774

    Quote:


    DNR spokesman Jim Bishop says they were part of a church group.


    Nice!

    Better pass the plate around twice this Sunday.

    steveo
    W Central Sconnie
    Posts: 4102
    #878777

    There was at least one reverend involved. Sounds like they had been violating for years!

    brad0383
    Farmington, MN
    Posts: 354
    #878780

    Up the fines and take away fishing privileges forever.

    Calvin Svihel
    Moderator
    Northwest Metro, MN
    Posts: 3862
    #878781

    Quote:


    Up the fines and take away fishing privileges forever.


    X2

    suzuki
    Woodbury, Mn
    Posts: 18621
    #878784

    Just imagine how many people dont get caught. There are a lot of bad poeple out there.

    timschmitz
    Waconia MN
    Posts: 1652
    #878786

    I’ll bet you $10 that at some point a few of these tards blamed Muskies for eating all the gills and walleyes

    kroger3
    blaine mn
    Posts: 1116
    #878789

    Needs to be worse then that! You think people like this care about privileges??? Its like when they revoke hunting license rights form a person for 2 years for poaching!!! Last time I checked poaching does not require a license! People like this always got to ruin it for people like us that even morally have a hard time keeping enough for the fry pan….

    banana1
    Bloomington Wi.
    Posts: 40
    #878797

    And I feel bad that yesterday,I had to let a foul hooked bass go,had a hook clear down his throat,and stuck on one side,I cut the line and let him go as soon as I seen that I could not save him.I hope he lives! Jerry

    sliderfishn
    Blaine, MN
    Posts: 5432
    #878800

    Quote:


    Why don’t they raise the fines? That’s what drives me nuts. Yes $70,000 seems like a lot, but when you think about it, it’s like $35 per fish over the limit. I’d like to see huge fines like $2000 per fish over.

    It wouldn’t take many of these stories with $500,000 fines to show that the DNR means business.


    I agree. I am tired of hearing that the criminals get slap on the wrist.

    I would like to see something like a escalating fine, because mistakes can happen.
    Something like:
    One fish over gets a fine of $40
    Two fish over gets a fine of $100 per fish
    Three fish over gets a fine of $200 per fish
    Four fish gets a fine of $400 per fish
    Five fish over gets a fine of $500 per fish and loss of fishing and hunting privileges for 2 years.

    Till you get to ten fish over, 1000 per fish plus loss of fishing equiptment, boat, and privileges for 5 years.

    People will learn to count really fast.

    kroger3
    blaine mn
    Posts: 1116
    #878807

    AGREED!!! seems like if im ever close to my limit on panfish I get so nervous and count over and over again! Like a fisherman should!

    AllenW
    Mpls, MN
    Posts: 2895
    #878808

    Quote:


    Quote:


    Why don’t they raise the fines? That’s what drives me nuts. Yes $70,000 seems like a lot, but when you think about it, it’s like $35 per fish over the limit. I’d like to see huge fines like $2000 per fish over.

    It wouldn’t take many of these stories with $500,000 fines to show that the DNR means business.


    I agree. I am tired of hearing that the criminals get slap on the wrist.

    I would like to see something like a escalating fine, because mistakes can happen.
    Something like:
    One fish over gets a fine of $40
    Two fish over gets a fine of $100 per fish
    Three fish over gets a fine of $200 per fish
    Four fish gets a fine of $400 per fish
    Five fish over gets a fine of $500 per fish and loss of fishing and hunting privileges for 2 years.

    Till you get to ten fish over, 1000 per fish plus loss of fishing equiptment, boat, and privileges for 5 years.

    People will learn to count really fast.


    Sounds good to me, I can see one or two fish & even a inch or two over slot, I can’t see what these bozo’s did, and add its a church group even makes it worst.

    Al

    smackem
    Iowa Marshall Co
    Posts: 956
    #878828

    So much for the church’s Friday night fish fry

    mbenson
    Minocqua, Wisconsin
    Posts: 3842
    #878831

    Here’s the full story from the Sawyer County paper:

    Just recieved word on the names of the violators and their light punishment for their gross over bagging. This is the story from the local Hayward newspaper, Sawyer county Record.

    Chippewa Flowage an angler’s ‘haven’ no more for overbagging fishermen

    by Kathy Hanson

    Staff Reporter

    Published: Wednesday, June 2, 2010 12:38 PM CDT

    The 13 Milwaukee-area fishermen arrested May 21 on the Chippewa Flowage for having 2,238 fish in their possession, after two complaints were called in to the DNR, have been identified, fined and notified of their revocation of fishing privileges.

    Sawyer County Conservation Warden Sue Miller said that all individuals were notified on Tuesday, June 1. The fines range from a high of $3,165.45 for Travis L. Sheriff of Waukesha to a low of $955.75 for Kevin D. Sheriff of Milwaukee.

    The grand total forfeiture for all citations issued was $27, 826.42. The total potential forfeiture could have gone as high as $71,282.92, according to Miller, but not all fines were levied. Miller said this is “what we would do for anyone” in the same situation. In addition, fishing licenses were revoked for two years for nine of the men involved; licenses for four of the violators were revoked for one year. Miller said they will be prohibited from fishing in all of Wisconsin in addition to 26 other “compact” states, under the Interstate Wildlife Violator Compact (IWVC). The IWVC is a compact under which member states reciprocate regarding the suspension or revocation of licenses and permits.

    A July 13 court date has been set.

    Five of the 13 men were staying at the Chippewa Pines Resort; eight were staying at Treeland Resorts & Motel.

    Manager Jane Bidwell at Treeland Resorts & Motel said that this part of the group has been coming to the resort for approximately 12 years. They occupied only five of the 36 units and were among at least 150 to 160 other fishing guests that weekend.

    “There was no way we would have known whose fish guts were in the three fish houses we have,” she said. The resort also has full-size freezers within every unit.

    The resort gives all guests a copy of the fishing regulations upon check-in and asks them if they have read them, Bidwell explained. We also post the regulations in every cabin and all the fish houses, she said.

    “We care about our resources — it’s how we make our living, and we would have turned them in immediately if we had known anything,” said Bidwell.

    Resort owner Dianne Wilke of the Chippewa Pines Resort said that their group of fishermen have been staying at their resort for about eight years — she knows they have stayed at many of the other resorts on the Flowage as well.

    “I personally said something to them about fishing over the limits and they told me they were fine,” said Wilke, who said that the fishing regulations are posted in each of their 10 rental units. “My husband Terry also said something to them about all the fish remains he was seeing, and they again said they were within their legal limit,” Wilke continued.

    Wilke said it is impossible for a resort owner to personally regulate the fishing limits. “ I know that not all their fish were cleaned here,” she said. “They cleaned them on the lake and elsewhere and for all I know they ate them for breakfast, lunch and dinner everyday,” she said. Wilke added that she’s sure they knew the regulations.

    The complete list of violators follows:

    Chippewa Pines Resort

    Rev. Nathaniel Johnson Jr., 58, Hartford, Wis., 196 total panfish (182 crappies, one bass fillet), cited for over possession limit of crappie (152 over limit), fined $1,874.50 ($544.50 plus $1,330); plus possession in excess of daily limit (at least 36 crappie per day, $544.50; plus possession of bass in excess of daily Limit (Bass is 0), $570.75. Total: $2,989.75, plus fishing privileges revoked for two years.

    Other violations: Over possession of panfish by 146 fish, over possession of daily bag limit for panfish all five days of fishing by 51 percent to 75 percent, over possession of daily bag limit for crappie for four days of fishing at or above 76 percent, for total of $4,942.50 potential additional forfeitures, plus possible revocation up to three years on all resource privileges.

    MacArthur Kirksey, 60, Brown Deer, Wis.,164 total panfish (150 crappies), cited for over possession limit of crappie (120 over limit), $1,542, plus possession in excess of daily bag limit (at least 30 crappie per day), $544.50. Total forfeiture: $2,086.50. Plus fishing privileges revoked for two years.

    Other violations: Over possession of panfish by 114 fish, over possession of daily bag limit of panfish for all five days of fishing at 26 percent to 50 percent, over possession of daily bag limit of crappie for four days of fishing at or above 76 percent, for total of $4,444 potential additional forfeitures, plus possible revocation up to three years on all resource privileges.

    Dwight S. Kirksey, 56, Milwaukee, 142 total panfish (106 crappie), cited for over possession limit of panfish (92 over limit), $1,349.50 ($544.50 plus $805.00), plus possession in excess of daily bag limit (at least 28.4 panfish per day), $243. Total forfeiture $1,592.50, plus fishing privileges revoked for two years.

    Other violations: Over possession of crappies by 76 fish, over possession of daily bag limit of crappies for all five days of fishing at 26 percent to 50 percent, over possession of daily bag limit of panfish for four days of fishing at or below 25 percent, for a total of $3,234 potential additional forfeitures, plus possible revocation up to three years on all resource privileges.

    Willie G. Colbert, 61, Milwaukee, 188 total panfish (191 were crappie and two bass), cited for over possession Limit of crappie (161.5 over limit), $1,957.63 ($544.50 plus $1,413.13), plus possession in excess of daily bag limit (at least 38 crappie per day), $544.50, plus possession of bass in excess of daily bag limit, ($544.50 plus $52.50), $597. Total forfeiture $3,099.13, plus fishing privileges revoked for two years.

    Other violations: Over possession of panfish by 138 fish, over possession of daily bag limit of panfish for all five days of fishing at 26 percent to 50 percent, over possession of daily bag limit of crappie for four days of fishing at or above 76 percent, for a total of $4,444 potential additional forfeitures, plus possible revocation up to three years on all resource privileges.

    Henry A. Jackson (Dog), 61, Milwaukee, 188 total panfish (191.5 were crappie and two bass), cited for over possession limit of crappie (161.5 over limit), $1,957.63 ($544.50 plus $1,413.13), possession in excess of daily bag limit (at least 38 crappie per day), $544.50, and possession of bass in excess of daily bag limit, $597 ($544.50 plus $52.50). Total forfeiture $3,099.13, plus fishing privileges revoked for two years.

    Other violations: Over possession of panfish by 138 fish, over possession of daily bag limit of panfish for all five days of fishing at 26 percent to 50 percent, over possession of daily bag limit of crappie for four days of fishing at or above 76 percent, for a total of $4,444 potential additional forfeitures, plus possible revocation up to three years on all resource privileges.

    Treelands

    Aaron M. Conley, 34, Milwaukee, 197 total panfish (135 were crappie), cited for over possession limit of panfish (147 over limit), $1,830.75 ($544.50 plus $1286.25), plus possession in excess of daily bag limit (at least 39.4 panfish per day), $444. Total forfeiture $2,274.75, plus fishing privileges revoked for two years.

    Other violations: Over possession of crappies by 105 fish, over possession of daily bag limit of crappies for all five days of fishing at or above 76 percent, over possession of daily bag limit of panfish for four days of fishing at 51to 75 percent, for a total of $5,043 potential additional forfeitures, plus possible revocation up to three years of all resource privileges.

    Kevin D. Sheriff, 52, Milwaukee, 97 total panfish (63 were crappie), cited for over possession limit of panfish (47 over limit), $955.75 ($544.50 plus $411.25), plus fishing privileges for revoked for one year.

    Other violations: Over possession of crappies by 33 fish for total of $544.50 potential additional forfeitures, plus possible revocation up to three years on all resource privileges.

    Travis L. Sheriff, 34, Waukesha, 198 total panfish (135 crappies, one smallmouth bass), cited for over possession limit of panfish (148 over limit), $1,839.50 ($544.50 plus $1,295), plus possession in excess of daily bag limit (at least 27 crappie per day), $544.50, plus possession of bass in excess of daily bag Limit, $570.75 ($544.50 plus $26.25), plus fishing without license, $210.70 . Total forfeiture $3,165.45, plus fishing privileges revoked for two years.

    Other violations: Over possession of crappies by 105 fish, over possession of daily bag limit for panfish all five days of fishing by 51 percent to 75 percent, over possession of daily bag limit for crappie for four days of fishing at or above 76 percent for total of $4,942.50 potential additional forfeitures, plus possible revocation up to three years on all resource privileges.

    Paul A. Sheriff, 57, Milwaukee, 197 total panfish (135 crappie per no fishing license). Cited for over possession limit of panfish (147 over limit) = $1,830.75 ($544.50 plus $1,295.00), plus possession in excess of daily bag limit (at least 27 crappie per day), $544.50, plus fishing without license, $210.70 . Total forfeiture $2,585.95, plus fishing privileges revoked for two years.

    Other violations: Over possession of crappies by 105 fish, over possession of daily bag limit for panfish all five days of fishing by 51 percent to 75 percent, over possession of daily bag limit for crappie for four days of fishing at or above 76 percent for total of $4,942.50 potential additional forfeitures, plus possible revocation up to three years on all resource privileges.

    Zachary L. Bynum, 54, Milwaukee, 32 crappies, 110 bluegills, cited for over possession limit of panfish (192 over limit), $2,224.50 ($544.50 plus $1,680), plus possession in excess of daily bag limit (at least 48 panfish per day), $544.50. Total forfeiture $2,769.00 plus fishing privileges revoked for two years.

    Other violations: Over possession of crappie by 102 fish, over possession of daily bag limit for crappie all five days of fishing by at or above 76 percent, over possession of daily bag limit for panfish for four days of fishing at or above 76 percent for total of $5,445 potential additional forfeitures, plus possible revocation up to three years on all resource privileges.

    Johnnie B. McGlaston, 63, Milwaukee, 113 panfish (78 crappie, 34 blue gill, one perch), cited for over possession limit of panfish (63 over limit), $1,095.75 ($544.50 plus $551.25), plus fishing privileges revoked for one year.

    Other violations: Over possession of crappies by 48 fish for total of $544.50 potential additional forfeitures, plus possible revocation up to three years on all resource privileges.

    Charles E. Walker, 60, Milwaukee, 108.5 total panfish, cited for over possession limit of panfish (58.5 over limit), $1,056.38 ($544.50 plus $511.88), plus fishing privileges revoked for one year.

    Other violations: Over possession of crappies by 1.5 fish for total of $243 potential additional forfeitures, plus possible revocation up to three years on all resource privileges.

    Levell Willis, 74, Milwaukee, 108.5 total panfish, cited for over possession limit of panfish (58.5 over limit), $1,056.38 ($544.50 plus $511.88), plus fishing privileges for one year.

    Other violations: Over possession of crappies by 1.5 fish for total of $243 potential additional forfeitures, plus possible revocation up to three years on all resource privileges.

    Grand total for all citations: $27,826.42

    Total not assessed for other violations: $43,456.50

    Total potential forfeiture: $71,282.92

    Revocation could go up to three years for all privileges.

    I wonder how many fish they stole from us all those years. Their punishment was not severe enough to cover the damage they did! Anyway, that’s my opionion.

    Walleyemaxx

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    Tom Christianson

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    E-Mail: [email protected]

    I am going to be talking to a warden friend and asking him how we can apply pressure to get the full penalties levied!!!

    Mark

    whittsend
    Posts: 2389
    #878833

    The church group info isn’t pertinant to the story, I’m not sure why it was mentioned in the article…

    The fact that they poached massive amounts of fish is the only issue here, regarless of if they are christian, muslim, jewish, scientologists, or canibals…

    Everyone makes mistakes…. But that many fish over the limit is ridiculous. You gotta know there is a law, which states a limit. All it takes is 2 minutes to read the regs… Sheesh!!

    chomps
    Sioux City IA
    Posts: 3974
    #878836

    wow! This has been going on for a bunch of years now!

    walleyebuster5
    Central MN
    Posts: 3916
    #878842

    I wonder what they were planning on doing with these fish? Maybe someone should take a look at their church group activities and see if they’ve been having a fish fry every summer. I will bet that you will find they did.

    ANd I too think the fines are a complete joke.

    .mnmike
    red wing, mn
    Posts: 165
    #878844

    And people wonder why there are not to many lakes with nice panfish in them anymore. I personally think they should receive jail time. The financial fines can be recouped but you cant get back time spent behind bars. I am surprised the resort owners didnt keep a closer eye on them. If there lakes get fished out no one will stay at there resorts. There should be felony level over harvest numbers for cases like this.

    John Schultz
    Inactive
    Portage, WI
    Posts: 3309
    #878845

    The sawyer counter newspaper article clearly shows that this was nothing more than a witch hunt, just like the innocent victims claim it was.

    gregstew
    Red Wing, MN
    Posts: 347
    #878852

    Maybe I should know this already, but what does the DNR do with all these fish? I can’t imagine tossing them out would do anyone any good.
    Donations to “soup kitchens” would at least be a little possitive in a VERY NEGATIVE story……

    carroll58
    Twin Cities, USA
    Posts: 2094
    #878863

    Quote: And to top it all, these guys are part of a church group. quote]

    Just Proves the old saying which is very True:

    The Best example of a Christian is a Christian and the Worst example of a Christian is a Christian.

    The latter just Proves ever too often and usually makes the News whereas the first rarely makes the News.

    Hope they get due Justice. This is the kind of crap that gives ALL Sportsman (Fishermen) a Bad name.

    First, take all of their Fishing gear including vehicles used to tow boat, the boat and any vehicle used for their transport to fishing and donate to Charities promoting fishing. Secondly, they all serve 5-weekends (Friday eve. to Monday morning) in Jail each year beginning on the Fishing opener for 10-years. Post their Jail booking Photo’s in all Fishing magazines and Sports sections identifing them and the damage they caused to the lakes.

    I really like the idea of the Increase Curve for fines.

    Practice CMPR (Catch, Measure, Photo, Release).

    PS: Wonder what would happen if we got as many IDO Members and Freinds to show up at their Trials? This would put the Judge and Prosecuters on Notice we are watching and we VOTE!

    Whiskerkev
    Madison
    Posts: 3835
    #878864

    I think 5 years for violators is not stiff enough. I can see leeway for someone who mistakenly kept one fish over but a hundred a ninety? Jail time.

    hookem
    Hastings,Minn.
    Posts: 1027
    #878865

    Quote:


    First, take all of their Fishing gear including vehicles used to tow boat, the boat and any vehicle used for their transport to fishing and donate to Charities promoting fishing. Secondly, they all serve 5-weekends (Friday eve. to Monday morning) in Jail each year beginning on the Fishing opener for 10-years. Post their Jail booking Photo’s in all Fishing magazines and Sports sections identifing them and the damage they caused to the lakes.

    I really like the idea of the Increase Curve for fines.

    Practice CMPR (Catch, Measure, Photo, Release).

    PS: Wonder what would happen if we got as many IDO Members and Freinds to show up at their Trials? This would put the Judge and Prosecuters on Notice we are watching and we VOTE!



    I agree completely. Everything they used to bag the fish should be taken from them!

    dylan-gravenhof
    Worthington, MN
    Posts: 190
    #878873

    they should have to pay WAY more than about $70,000!! thats just sad

    bosman
    DeSoto, WI
    Posts: 914
    #878875

    to the individual(s) that alerted the DNR.

    to the violators.

    to the penalties/fines. C’MON!

    walleyebuster5
    Central MN
    Posts: 3916
    #878876

    Yes, why is it that when a big game animal is poached they can take everything associated with the crime but with fishing they don’t?

    smackemup
    North Metro
    Posts: 192
    #878892

    That is awful. You hear about stories like this way too often, but these lowlifes took it to a new level. What in the $#@% could you possibly do with that many fish. They must have spent a day cleaning all the little buggers. They did not get penalized hard enough, more fines and should not be allowed to hit the water for a good ten years or so. Maybe they also should have to pay the DNR to restore some of the panfish population they so wrecklessly decimated. Buncha Bums

    suzuki
    Woodbury, Mn
    Posts: 18621
    #878898

    X2. Bunch of low life thieving scum.

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