Might as well talk to a wall. Stadium Rant

Where would they go?

Iowa corn fed Vikings?

I say let the Racino come in, what the heck we already have lots of gambling, why not use those funds the way former State Senator Dick Day proposed?

Why should we let the Indian Tribes have all the Gain, No Taxes and walk all over us?

We could take the excess profits to pay for many of these special construction projects and pay each Indian in the State to quit trying to blackmail us into letting them take more and more and more.

It is really the Red Wing and Shakopee Tribe’s that make tons off the Casino’s now and the other Indian’s are left broke and then blackmailing us into taking Fish & Game by Non-Sporting means.

Now, the Red Lake Tribe is different and I think they got something good going, but enough is enough.

I’ve heard from State Senator’s and Representative’s talk of giving the Indian’s another 20-25 year Non-compete agreement with their Casino’s if they (Shakopee Tribe) would build the Vikings a new Stadium.

That is crap, why do we keep sucking up to them and giving away the bank?

Make it a State Run Casino, get rid of ALL former Treaty agreements and the State can pay the Tribe’s a set amount of the Casino profits and then build the Stadium’s and fix our Roads and Bridges. This way the Tribe’s just sit back and collect the cash, they don’t have to work and fight the casino fights to keep their monopoly.

Rant, rant, rant and rant some more!

I know its already been brought up but just remember if you dont build it now every month you wait it becomes that much more expensive and that has nothing to do with “union” workers! The legislature needs to decide now not next year or a year after that. we elect them to make tough decisions that dont always please everyone not play games and string us along, I enjoy watching the Vikes and would like to see them stay but at nearly “$1,000,0000,000” dollars it just seems alittle bit expensive for 8 meaningful games a year, if the Vikings do leave I know my life will still go on and sundays will still mean monday is the next day of the week, and if they do build them a new stadium and its with tax payer money im pretty sure the same thing will happen, it would be nice if everyone was this worked up over education and “ILLEGAL” immagration but thats another can of worms for another day.

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The state of MN is already one of the highest taxed states and they can’t even balance the budget. Anybody who thinks they should raise any sort of tax to fund a stadium should really have their head examined.

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yet people supported a tax increase for dedicated funding…

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I should rephrase.

Anybody who thinks they should raise any sort of tax to fund anything in this state should really have their head examined.

Nobody cares, Good God men we’re talking about the queenies.

I HAVE FOUND THE WALL!

Don’t anyone take this personally…but…

The Tax Payers of MN have said NO!

It doesn’t matter if you or I are for or against the use of tax payer money. The group said No.

There isn’t any need to offer up suggestions on how to fund this or “the legislature should do it now” because they.. the State of MN tax payers said no!

No matter what angle this is attacked by…the majority of us…the tax payers of MN voted “no tax money to build a stadium”.

Thanks to all that posted…I’m thinking I’m starting to understand now.

There…I got that off my chest. Now, how much do you think a hot dog and beer at the new Vikings Stadium is going to cost?

I’d like to see a bill sponsered by someone that would eliminate elected officals jobs, we have more elected people than states that are bigger than us size wise and people. Maybe if we cut down on those who aren’t doing their job, ( think they will ever then get the message how tough things are )….we can get real legislation actions from our elected officials, that will never happen, we just keep wasting money on things, projects, that seldom benefit people as a whole more for a select few.

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I’d be willing to buy you a beer and a HotDog at the new Vikings Stadium.

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Your on! Thanks!

You deliver…right?

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I HAVE FOUND THE WALL!

Don’t anyone take this personally…but…

The Tax Payers of MN have said NO!

It doesn’t matter if you or I are for or against the use of tax payer money. The group said No.

There isn’t any need to offer up suggestions on how to fund this or “the legislature should do it now” because they.. the State of MN tax payers said no!

No matter what angle this is attacked by…the majority of us…the tax payers of MN voted “no tax money to build a stadium”.

Thanks to all that posted…I’m thinking I’m starting to understand now.

There…I got that off my chest. Now, how much do you think a hot dog and beer at the new Vikings Stadium is going to cost?

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BK. I do not remember any state wide vote on any stadium bills or proposals,Other than the city of Minneapolis. I am not sure if Anoka county even had a referendum or not.

With that being said you have to relize that there are several communities that are exporing the posssibility of building the stadium in thier city or county.Every avenue of financing that has been mentioned in this thread is being explored.

And don’t forget The govenor of this state is heavily involved in the negotiations and, trying to get a stadium built. This thing is not going to be built by a small group of Individuals.A lot of buisnesses stand to profit from building a stadium.
This State needs to move forward,we need jobs,jobs,jobs.

I’d be willing to buy you a beer and a HotDog at the new Vikings Stadium.

Nice Post BK.

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Ummm…the governor said no new taxes of any sorts to build a stadium…And a lot of business will suffer with new taxes. I can see why you are for it since you are in the trades and probably stand to benefit. If you are so concerned about jobs, how about we cut some business taxes and get some companies to call Minnesota home. Then some of those construction jobs can be filled and permanent jobs hired by those companies. That is a lot better than raising taxes and wasting millions of dollars on a stadium.

I like the 3K to 20k personal seat licenses. Then the people who want to watch the queens can pay for it. I’m sure all the people so willing to volunteer others to pay more taxes will be the first in line to get these seats.

Jobs by tax dollars reek of wealth distribution, tax payer suffer and a few benefit from this.

I think it was Hennepin county not Mpls that voted several times no new stadium funding from taxes, if one of the other counties wants to fund it, more power to them, but I don’t care to supplement rich sports owners as I’d like to keep as much of my income as possible.

How much revinue do you think its gonna take to repay the millions tax payers will spend?
All I hear is “we’ll all benifit from this” somehow I doubt it.

Let the fans pay for it, not the tax payers.

Al

All I keep hearing is that the new stadium creates new jobs, jobs, jobs. That is not true. In a business sense, that is not true.

Yes, the state will TEMPORARILY employee a few hundred workers to tear down the dome and build up the new stadium.

But these jobs are TEMPORARY!!!!

If you think those jobs are FULL TIME, go generate a poll here on IDO. I know one person personally, here on this site, whome worked at building the new Twins stadium. Guess what, HE’S UNEMPLOYED!!!!!! Yep, he worked a few months, building the structure, but when the structure was built, his task/job was complete.

Employment is already established for the football team. People already work at the games. That is nothing new. No new jobs are going to be established. We already have people parking cars, pouring beers, cooking hot dogs.

Another point is this:
The government can create a job, by taking our tax dollars and employing a person. But that person does nothing for the greater good of life, other than being a servant to society. That person does nothing but suck money out of the system. They will never generate a dollar.
Now don’t get me wrong. Public servants are needed (firemen, policemen, teachers, etc), but they are only public servants who do nothing but ensure that the tax payer is “serviced”.

If you ain’t mining, manufacturing, or farming, you ain’t generating any jobs to better the way of life.

Having the tax dollars pay for the stadium, which becomes a personal funding operation for a handful of business men, who employee services (CREATE JOBS) at minimum wage-part time, and hire over paid athletes for 9 games at the state does not appeal to me!!!!!

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There will be jobs and people that will benifit. Inside and out side of a new stadium, Not just Constuction jobs.

Build it and they will come.

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If we don’t build it they will come anyway. Jobs are jobs. If the Vikings leave tomorrow something will happen with the dome that will create a handful of jobs. Most likely more then a new stadium will.

Other then grounds keepers how many new jobs did Target field create? Agreed, some restaurants opened or relocated from the other side of the dome.

Help me with this………If a construction worker is collecting unemployment aren’t the tax payers paying for it?
If we build the stadium aren’t the taxpayers paying for it? So we get the honor of paying for it either way.
With almost zero additional benefit to the state taxpayers.

If we gave $100 million each to Target, 3M, Medtronic, Cargill, Super Valu ($500 million) will they create additional jobs with the money? Even if they paid zero additional corporate taxes,the money spent on materials and employees will generate millions more then the Vikings ever could dream of.

I said it before.The only reason to build this is to stroke our own ego’s of being a pro football state.

Do you really think Ziggy wouldn’t build his own stadium if it was such a money maker?

Ego………plain and simple.

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I like the 3K to 20k personal seat licenses. Then the people who want to watch the queens can pay for it. I’m sure all the people so willing to volunteer others to pay more taxes will be the first in line to get these seats.

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Great idea, just like selling Condo’s. You or I could buy a group of seats and then use them or rent them out with the ‘Right of 1st Refusal’ to buy that game or event ticket or let them be rented out.

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No one wants to be on unemployment, I don’t that anyone wants to go through that.
What jobs are out there now? ask anyone who is looking for employment in any sector of the economy not just construction.
It seems to me that there are too many people who think that it is alright for someone else to loose their job as long as it doesn,t effect my job. I don’t buy that Idea.
In order for this economy to grow there needs to be investment.And that Investment is not happening.
Building a new stadium is start in the right direction.
Expansion of the Mall of America.
The Mayo Clinic expansion
The Expansion of HHH terminal
The Expansion of the Lindberg Terminal
Its all coming soon

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I don’t disagree, we just need a return for our investment. The stadium does not provide a long term return.

My kid is in the trades. He has worked about 6 months the last 2 years. I know what you are saying but this isn’t the way to go IMO.

Now, if Ziggy wants to build a mega plex with shopping center, restaurants, motels, ect like the Crafts did in Boston then I’m all for kicking in money. But I’m not going to pay for a new stadium for his ego.

I’m with BK. Remember those folks called voters? You know, the ones who pay the taxes? Have you also thought of the fact that Wilf is one of the richest people on the planet? Why should a state that is below broke pay a nickel to build a house for Mr. Wilf’s toy?

I played football, I love football and I watch the Vikings religiously. Build them a new stadium? No way. Any body that pays their employees millions can build them a stadium to play in. Then they can keep 100% of the profits from both the revenue producing events and the eventual sale of the franchise.

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Do you really think Ziggy wouldn’t build his own stadium if it was such a money maker?

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Give him all the income tax and sales tax associated with it and he’d build it in a heartbeat.