Mille Lacs Netting- dumping waste on news

Im not sure which channels will be reporting but I saw Headline previews for the 10 o’clock news. –WCCO has it.

Maybe the news will actually help our fight for once. -Mark

I hope so I really hope this gets more people to open their eyes about what really goes on with the netting process.

“the MN Wardens will turn the matter over to tribal Wardens” —WTF Why do we even bother following laws, Apparently the tribes dont?

We as fisherman need to step up to the plate and stop this. -mark

It was on WCCO News! Right at the beginning of the News Cast!

News cast will Replay at 1:37am or I’m sure it’s available on-line also!

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“the MN Wardens will turn the matter over to tribal Wardens”

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…This means that nothing is going to happen Its really pathetic that nobody can do anything about this. Whatever happened to using every part of the animal… nope, just chop them up with an ELECTRIC fillet knife, just like their ancestors did…

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“the MN Wardens will turn the matter over to tribal Wardens” —WTF Why do we even bother following laws, Apparently the tribes dont?
We as fisherman need to step up to the plate and stop this. -mark

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Until you elect somebody who isn’t taking contributions from the Bands you are peeing against the wind. Wanna get some leverage? Donate time and money to lobbying for legalizing gambling in the state. Get enough people on board and then negotiate it to include the state bands giving up netting rights in exchange for only 1 or 2 racino’s vs open gambling statewide.

Good point

http://wcco.com/local/fish.carcasses.found.2.1633656.html

I am sure the law breakers will be prosecuted just like the folks who had no #/name tags on their nets when they were caught in the ice pack last year or the year before.

Heres the link for those who missed it….

http://www.wcco.com/video/[email protected]

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just chop them up with an ELECTRIC fillet knife, just like their ancestors did…

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Wow, what a deal. I’m glad we don’t have to deal with anything like that down here. The rage that would cause me is immeasureable.

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just chop them up with an ELECTRIC fillet knife, just like their ancestors did…

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Wow, what a deal. I’m glad we don’t have to deal with anything like that down here. The rage that would cause me is immeasureable.

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U might not deal with it but a tiny bit of you taxes goes to help pay for them fish they are taking

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This is what will happen:

“Hey, dont do that”

Do you really think that with their casino funds they even need all those fish? I wonder how much of the good meat gets wasted or goes to waste?

AND are you really surprised? same story different year

I can’t wait to see the follow up story on this. I am sure there will be some stiff pay-offs under the table I mean fines handed out. There won’t be another bit of info. on this story ever covered publicly. What an absolute joke!

The wardens said they would try to match the carcass’s up with fish recently netted. What the flock. Who are they trying to kid? Thats like catching an 18″ walleye one day and catching another 18″ the next and saying ” hey I caught this one yesterday I can tell by the white on the tail.”

The GLIFWC is one of the biggest jokes of a government agency I’ve run across. I sent dozens of emails and made 10+ phone calls last spring. I had a large list of questions. Most weren’t answered with any substance.

The one that I really wanted answered was how do they oversee the harvest around a lake that is so huge with just a few staff members? The other one was why aren’t fines issued for improperly labeled nets.

It’s a complete and utter joke. Fine, you can net. You won that BS battle. Then you should have to do it properly. I think our only possible hope of overturning this is legalized gambling. It must be part of the negotiations. Which probably won’t even be on the minds of the fools in St. Paul. Every letter I’ve written to state and federal reps comes back with the biggest bunch of BS.

Here is my take on Mille Lacs. We(meaning anyone non-native covered by this treaty), should keep and eat any fish we want from that lake. We should keep as many as we want. Really, think about it. There is no way a ticket from the DNR is going to stand up in court. That’s the kicker who has time to fight this in court.

Maybe some of the media will finally muster the courage to start asking tough questions. Hopefully they will drive around the lake and get some footage of the unmonitored activities.

Every wonder just how many actual pounds of walleyes are taken each year? How about the real amount of pike and musky that are killed? At a minimum the MN DNR should be monitoring this at every public launch!! There should be spot checks out on the water when nets are pulled to see how many pike and musky are sliced and tossed.

The media won’t get involved. It’s about the money Kooty.
Who advertises more on the 6 & 10 pm news, local casinos or fisherman?

Who contracts with Lamar for more billboard space, Casinos or fisherman?

Who donates more money for political campaigns, casinos or fisherman?

But, here is the kicker…………who pays more taxes, casinos or fisherman?

Follow the money and you will find the problems.

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Here is my take on Mille Lacs. We(meaning anyone non-native covered by this treaty), should keep and eat any fish we want from that lake. We should keep as many as we want. Really, think about it. There is no way a ticket from the DNR is going to stand up in court. That’s the kicker who has time to fight this in court.

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Let me play devil’s advocate and ask, why wouldn’t it stand up in court? I don’t think you can claim it is an inequity when it is a treaty with a sovereign nation.

We’d need a judge to stand up and say that the treaty is ‘null and void’ because this is a shared resource, and although there is an agreement between two ‘nations’, because it is shared, that takes precedence and no group of people can have special privileges.

What do you think would happen to one of us ,if we dumped the same thing on tribal land ?
do you think they would call the MN DNR and have them investigate it becaus we are NON-NATIVE? HELL NO your [censored] would be in a tribal jail never to be seen again,
the MN DNR has to grow some balls and start prosecuting these people,

and AllenW
I’d think it only fair that if they lost their fish guts we return them to one of the casino’s out there??

I’m with you on this one they should be returned to the casino and dumped at the front door
that way all the people that go and give oh i mean spend money there can see what they are paying for
the only thing i use the casino for is to stop and take a dump on the way back from the cabin, they do have nice bathrooms but i will never spend 1 penny in a casino again.

I also think that if they want to net do it on RED but first we should put a net across the lake on the line we cant cross, and anything on their side they can have, and when its gone, and it will be they can restock it, just stay the hell off our side,

the only way this will ever stop is if you get out and voice your opinion and vote or people that will make the change, start sending emails and pictures to the DNR your senators and that dip s#!& in the white house, send it to the local and national news media, send it to all the people in your email list , if they dont fish or hunt they most likely have no clue what is going on,
we are the only ones that can and will get the word out.

Here is my take and I don’t think I am wrong. Either they are a very stupid group of native americans or…they did this on purpose. I think they had to have done this on purpose!

Why else would they have done this on a PRIVATE road leading to a PRIVATE field. They know the boundaries and where they should be dumping these fish. They had a clear motive. What that motive was I don’t know but they wanted this mess to be seen to the point that they wanted the air time on radio/TV/internet.

My take is they are shoving this in the face of non-tribal fisherman. Am I wrong??? …RR

I think they are just that dumb….

big G

most likely a WI tribe, some of these guys are as much indian heritage as I am the Pope! I will guarantee nothing gets done here. I will address roosters theory, I think some are just that dumb. Just think back to last year when the lake still had a pretty good sheet of ice, weather said winds would be out of the southeast, so watch these guys set up their nets on the northwest side of the lake, duh, I wonder what direction the ice sheet will blow! Since the lake is now classified the same as the Miss. and Great Lakes, don’t boats need to have certain things such as air horns and fire extinguisher. I wonder if any one was cited if these rules are being enforced? If people of a different skin are given a free pass, shouldn’t I?

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ok I have not read the treaties and just thinking out loud (yes I know very dangerous), but I have been reading and hearing the complaints on Monitoring/fish kill.

How about using only certain accesses instead of all on the lake to be used. and fish can only be brought to shore between certain hours. or maybe better yet when you go out to take your nets in you have a DNR official ion the boat to observe the netting?

maybe even say… do a rotating window of when each tribe can harvest in a 4 to 5 day period during the harvest time. the more tribes they “let” harvest the time it takes away from the other tribes so they all have the same amount of days. And if 1 breaks the rules they ruin it for all and netting is done for the season (good luck there) it is more of the bad ones ruining for all.

I do not fish Mille Lacs much and unfortunately every time I have been up there in the past fishing has gotten worse. but probably more my group then the fish.

just my opinion.

Broncs

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Here is my take and I don’t think I am wrong. Either they are a very stupid group of native americans or…they did this on purpose. I think they had to have done this on purpose!

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I have done a bunch of research on the treaties, the GLIWF and all the bands who net Mille Lacs. The vast majority of nets are set by WI bands of Indians. The Mille Lacs band understands where they are getting their money from, the casino – directly tied to tourism. If the lake fails to draw people for fishing, vacations, and as a tourist destination, they lose revenue.

Now the WI bands don’t care about any of this. They are in it for their “rights” and will rape and pillage the resource as far as they can, just because they can. It is my guess one of these bands found a road, stopped and dumped without any real intent. Flat out did not care. They know there will be no penalties so why not?

Now we can all sit here an complain, but it will do no good. Everytime this is brought up the race card is played quickly and the media and all politicians bow to this. They do not want to be known as racist so any and all discussions are benched.

These tribes have a right, upheld by the supreme court, that is not going to be reviewed anytime soon, if at all. Our congress does not care about the situation. Due to the wording of the treaty (at the discretion of the president)the one person who can do anything, President Obama, will not touch it with a 10′ pole, and no other president will care either. It is political suicide.

We are going to have these same conversations every year. the tribes will do their thing with no respect, and we will complain about it.

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It’s still wrong to the majority and it feels good to discuss openly. I’m more passionate about the Red situation but they are both very similar.

very well written Farmboy1.

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Let me play devil’s advocate and ask, why wouldn’t it stand up in court? I don’t think you can claim it is an inequity when it is a treaty with a sovereign nation.

We’d need a judge to stand up and say that the treaty is ‘null and void’ because this is a shared resource, and although there is an agreement between two ‘nations’, because it is shared, that takes precedence and no group of people can have special privileges.

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After reading the 1837 treaty, it does not state anything about season or quantity or method etc…. It simply states the natives have the right to harvest. If that is the case, why do they get special treatment from the state of MN? Why can’t they harvest during the same season a me? Why are they allowed such a gross amount of fish that is not regulated well at all? Why can they use nets?? I’m obviously no lawyer, but I gotta believe the case would warrant some attention.

We really need an unbiased 3rd party to do a documentary on this practice. Follow them around the lake taking videos of the many, many undocumented harvests and kills of unwanted game fish. Follow them home and see how the fish are disposed of or sold or whatever happens. If I knew a large portion of these fish were used by the elderly in the tribe, I’d probably feel a lot different.

Wonder if the animal planet tree huggers would have any interest in such a thing?

I have given up the hopes that the treaty will be overturned. I am now pushing, tribal and nontribal, for tougher enforcement. This IMHO is the real problem. They simply have no idea what is going on, how many fish are removed, how they are removed, and what they do with them.

The GLIWF will tell you they enforce, but with 2-3 wardens working the entire lake over 24 hour periods for a couple weeks….come on. Actually monitor nets, when they are pulled, and quantities of fish. This is a battle that CAN be won if we try in a respectful and fair manner. I have and will continue to write my reps, as well as the DNR pushing for this.

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Kinda like turning the school lunch program over to Ed Gein isn’t it??

Makes about as much sense. imho

We need to go after the bleeding hearts in power, not the indians, convince them of the error of their ways by voting them out.
I’m not so sure why they should get sovereign nation status anyway, as they came from somewhere just like the rest of us, also nation might be a bit of a stretch, considering the history books tell us this “nation” fought each other as tribes fought for domination over each other.

Should we quit discussing this…no I don’t think so, maybe eventually we’ll get enough together to have the power to change this BS.

Personally I’d end all their rights now and we’d be one country period.

But a way out for the PC bleeders might be, as of now netting is ceased, and for 10 years we will allow only the indians to have casino’s, after that time casino’s will become public for all.

Al….Say no to entitlements