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The new MN fishing regulations book came out today.

2010 MN Fishing Regs<<

I know this is going to be touchy and I really don’t want to see this thread locked down…so PLEASE try to stay on subject and lets be careful in our responses.

I have two questions that I’m looking for opinions on.

1) Should anti lead advertisements be in our regulation booklet? To clarify further.
Should there be PRO or ANTI lead advertisements in this booklet at all?

2) Under fish consumption, they have a portion that is in 4 languages, three besides English. Should we be placing any other language in our regulations book besides English?

1. Yes, if lead is harmful and there are other materials readily available.

2. No

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1. Yes, if lead is harmful and there are other materials readily available.

2. No

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BK thanks for the new reg post to answer your questions
1. Lead was already illegal to use to take waterfowl for many years already kinda suprised the fishing lures havent changed to like tin to keep lead levels down in the waters.

2. the 4 languages I dont neccesarily agree with it but if they can understand the regs and follow them then its just a better fishery for all.

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1. Yes, if lead is harmful and there are other materials readily available.

2. No

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With the languages I’m in favor of it.

But, it is assuming that people are buying a license in the first place.

I feel the 4 language issue should start at a much higher place such as to be able to live and work in the USA one should be able to and also be required to speak, read and write English. What anyone wants to do in their own home is their privilege.

If we can reduce the use of lead, Great…

1) I dont care if PETA puts an ad in there. As long as they are paying for it, anyone should have a right to their opinion and not be censored.

2) I dont think specific sections should be in other languages. If they think it is that important, just make the entire booklet in another language. I am NEVER PC, but isnt it EXTREMELY racist to have just an section on consumption in another language???? Doesnt that imply that non-english speaking people need special notice on consumption but not any other parts of the law? Bad form IMO.

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1. Yes, if lead is harmful and there are other materials readily available.

2. No

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Although at least though they took care of the real issue, and have everyone properly measuring sturgeon. Pinch that tail!

I agree with the lead advertisments.

And guys, the languages are to our advantage. Think of all the times the COs must have to deal with the excuse of not understanding the laws/rules. And then holding up in court?? I think this is a good thing.

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I agree with the lead advertisments.

And guys, the languages are to our advantage. Think of all the times the COs must have to deal with the excuse of not understanding the laws/rules. And then holding up in court?? I think this is a good thing.

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I am sure they will understand after the fine they will have to pay. Every body understands money we it comes out of there pocket. Ignorance of the law is no excuse.

Are they also going to post all DNR signs in 4 languages? Signs at the dams, no wake zones, landings, etc. ?????

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And guys, the languages are to our advantage. Think of all the times the COs must have to deal with the excuse of not understanding the laws/rules. And then holding up in court?? I think this is a good thing.

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I’m expected to know the laws of this state. Why isn’t someone who uses English as a second language? It’s a rhetorical question, they are expected to know and abide by the laws.

I say hit them with the highest possible fine for not even bothering to understand the law if that’s their excuse.

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And guys, the languages are to our advantage. Think of all the times the COs must have to deal with the excuse of not understanding the laws/rules. And then holding up in court?? I think this is a good thing.

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I’m expected to know the laws of this state. Why isn’t someone who uses English as a second language? It’s a rhetorical question, they are expected to know and abide by the laws.

I say hit them with the highest possible fine for not even bothering to understand the law if that’s their excuse.

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Here’s a little clarification:

The anti lead ad is paid for by us and is not generating any money from a sponsor. It reads:
The tackle industry, recognizing a growing awareness and concern about lead in
the environment, has begun to create tungsten, glass, copper, steel, tin, bismuth, or
plastic sinkers. Consider using non-lead tackle when you go fishing.
Here’s what you can do to help:
• Ask local sporting good stores to stock nonlead fishing tackle.
• Spread the word by telling other anglers about the problem.
• Dispose of old lead sinkers and jigs properly by locating a drop-off location.
See DNR Web site for more information.

The FISH CONSUMPTION ADVISORY is in 4 languages and not the regulations. The regs are in English only.

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The FISH CONSUMPTION ADVISORY is in 4 languages and not the regulations. The regs are in English only.

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I would much rather see this the other way around.

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I agree with the lead advertisments.

And guys, the languages are to our advantage. Think of all the times the COs must have to deal with the excuse of not understanding the laws/rules. And then holding up in court?? I think this is a good thing.

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Is it really to our advantage? The Rules and Regs are not in 4 languages. just the consumption. So are they really helping clarify them? Not that I want to see 4 versions of the book put out, or have to read the 1st 1/4 of a 500 page book.

Really what it almost says like they are saying is. Well we know you wont read this part, but hopefully you will read this part.

I have edited this about 5 times as not to get this post locked down.

And a “Sweet” job you did too!

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Note:
This information is available in an alternative format upon request. E-mail the DNR Information Center at [email protected] or call at (651) 296-6157 or (888) MINNDNR; TTY: (651) 296-5484 or (800) 657-3929.

This fishing regulations document contains a synopsis of the state fishing laws and regulations. For complete fishing laws and regulations, consult Minnesota Statutes and Rules of the DNR.

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With a quick call to the DNR, the “alternative format” is a copier and enlarging the print. There is not any “alternative languages”.

1. Kyllä, jos lyijyä on haitallista ja muitakin aineita saatavilla

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Good point.

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Seems to me that it’s in all of our best interests to help anyone and everyone understand the regulations. It seems strange to me that the fish consumption advisory would be in multiple languages but the regulations woulnd’t be. In any case, I’m 100% in favor of providing the regs in multiple languages unless or until English becomes the national language.

I’m not sure how I feel about the anti-lead ads in the regs. I suppose I just don’t care much. Lead isn’t a good thing for us to be putting in the rivers and lakes. I have no doubt that we’ll eventually stop using it. But after that thought my brain switches back to “where is my next big walleye?” and I can no longer process anything else.

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I’m 100% in favor of providing the regs in multiple languages unless or until English becomes the national language.

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Keep the above in mind, guys… Nowhere does it state that english is the official language, albeit certainly the most common overall and basically what government runs on… This country was founded on many faces of freedom, including speech (in any language)… I wouldn’t mind seeing english as the official language, but I doubt it will happen anytime soon.

It DOES seem silly to offer alternate languages just for one portion of the regs and not others. Websites, phone numbers, alternate publications are good alternatives.

I remember the old fashioned way when peer pressure and civic/national pride was brought to bear convincing everyone english was indeed our national language. It’s amazing how much things can change in one’s lifetime.

You can’t have national pride if you don’t speak english???

Funny you mention that. I was just thinking, my Dad was born in 1919 and didn’t know much German but some. I didn’t know my grandparents, but they did speak English. My Great Grandparents never did learn English…but I’m guessing it was pretty late in life when they came over.

I prefer people who can’t speak the language to know the laws. Most of them are the first generation. Generations to come after them will adopt the English language and the old one will normally fade away with generations…just like all of our ancestors.

I did some checking about how things were years ago and found some interesting facts. Each county seat had several offices that did the same thing, only in different languages. Immigrants would go to the proper office to get the right start. After they got the information in their language, they could start their new life here and begin to learn our language. Nowadays, we don’t have these offices for the immigrants. They seem to have little or no interest in learning our language. Unfortunately, if you go to their country, you have to adjust to their ways. We have just made it too easy for them do what they want how they want to.
I agree with informing about alternative products to use in place of lead.
I think the language thing is just another way to make it easier for these people to try to avoid change.

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You can’t have national pride if you don’t speak english???

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My national pride waivers when hearing some of the responses to this post.

1. Yes it wouldnt hurt

2. No its not an owners manual, if people can’t read the our laws in our language then too bad