Pool 4 Fish Kill?

  • mplspug
    Palmetto, Florida
    Posts: 25026
    #837391

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    In my opinion John Stears has the correct thinking here. The netters are taking out rough fish and by taking them out there is more room/less competition for the gamers, in all sizes of fish (larval up to adult). Do the losses from netting outweigh the advantages from taking out the rough fish? I cant say for sure. My inclining is YES.

    My .02




    Personally I don’t think they do much in the way of putting a dent in the rough fish population. Most roughfish, carp for example, occupy a completely different niche. If anything, the hole left behind is filled with more rough fish.

    I don’t have a problem with commercial fishing as long as the DNR is managing it correctly. This is a shared resource. BK, pretty much put a kibosh on the tinfoil theory about cats with the 100# limit. I seriously doubt he has an agenda.

    To suggest the BK shouldn’t have put the video up is completely asinine. It is about as asinine as to suggest that him posting the video is some how casting commercial fishermen in a bad light. The people here going off on commercial fishermen I bet had already formed their opinion long before the video appeared here. Some people were concerned about what they saw and got a of the DNR and it appears everything checks out. You might have an argument that going to a news channel was a bit over the top, that is about the only thing I think you have to stand on.

    Can’t stand the heat? Get out of the netting.

    ps. I should point out that the ‘you’ is mostly referencing Booner and anyone else who got their undies in a bunch.

    AllenW
    Mpls, MN
    Posts: 2895
    #837396

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    nor does he mention starting any kind of campaign against commercial fishing.


    So what good is he doing for commercial fishing by posting this video?

    I can see both sides on this subject. I do believe that it was informative of BK to post this video. I also believe that he just didnt “happen” to video this area on his way to his next spot. He put the camera down in this area because of the nets out of curiosity and “look what I found”.

    I have mixed feelings on if this should be posted on the web or not. We dont know if these fish died because of rough handling by the netters or not. We do know that they did indeed die from being in those nets at one point. Was this accidental? Were the conditions not optimum for the live release of the gamers? Is this acceptable losses for netting under the DNR’s jurisdiction?

    In my opinion John Stears has the correct thinking here. The netters are taking out rough fish and by taking them out there is more room/less competition for the gamers, in all sizes of fish (larval up to adult). Do the losses from netting outweigh the advantages from taking out the rough fish? I cant say for sure. My inclining is YES.

    My .02


    Any good??
    I’d say if the comm fishers were doing nothing wrong, no harm done.
    Had they been doing something improper, I’d say yes and hope the DNR would step in, I ain’t above the law, neither are they.

    I don’t see anything Brian did wrong, if you did, maybe your hiding something???

    Al

    Jesse Krook
    Y.M.H.
    Posts: 6403
    #837401

    Gossip???? It’s funny the gossip that goes around before anyone actually knows or even attempts to get the facts. Then because of some BS gossip that no one has any practical evidence (other than gossip) to back up accusations start to fly. You want the facts about this call BK and ask him your self or you could just listen to the junior high school gossip, I am almost 100% positive BK’s phone # is not that hard to find.

    Agenda’s definition: things to be done or a list of those things, as a list of the matters to be discussed at a meeting

    Nope no agendas going on here.

    I was out with BK that day running the boat. As far as filming cats I dont think we filmed 1 catfish that day and really didnt put much effort into filming catfish, it was all walleye, sauger, gar, shad, bass, and some suckers but mostly walleye and sauger for the viewing pleasure of us walleye fisherman. We also brang our walleye gear as it was the plan to film some walleye and then fish for some walleye. No agendas yet. We were moving spots and noticed the nets in the water and I yes I wanted to see the fish in the nets because I like fish, I really dont care what kind I like to see big fish. So as we approached the nets (just to check out the BIG carp and not to tamper with them) in about 8-10 FOW I noticed large amounts of dead fish on the bottom and could not tell what kind they were and asked Brian to drop the camera down because I wanted to make sure the dead fish were not a bunch of walleye. The amount of fish that you see dead in the video is actually a very small amount to what was actually there and thats not counting the ones that made it out into the current and floated away. If there were other agendas or ulterior motive’s when this video was shot I am sure BK would have wanted to spend alot more time filiming them AND you would have seen the actual extent of the dead fish not just the few you see here. Well Brian took a little video of the fish and shared it here with us all on IDO. Now what some people have done and said is out of BK’s hands. When this video was shot there were absolutely NO ulterior motives other than to find out exactly what kind of fish were laying on the bottom of the river and to ensure that the fish on the bottom were not walleye . I think that sharing the video and educating some people while opening others eye’s was the agenda here, not to try and conquer and take down the commercial fisherman. FACTS its all in the FACTS not the gossip or rumors.

    The FACTUAL issue at hand here is not that fact that they killed the fish which we all including the DNR know happens its a factual issue as to how the fish were disposed of, a fact. I’m sure these fish could be used as fertilizer somewhere or catfood. There should be alternative uses for the dead fish not just having them tossed back into the river. THAT IS THE ISSUE AT HAND (MORE FACTS) no agendas here. Tell that to your gossip group.

    I think that both common sense and actual knowledge have gone awry in this thread. People if you want the facts on this situation call the DNR and talk to them not Susanna Song from the channel 5. The DNR is well aware of the situation at hand (at least the one I spoke with) and really didnt have any answers as to how the netters are supposed to dispose of the fish they dont use so wit that being said absolutely NO wrong doing was done here. Get the facts then make the goofy, gossipy, silly accusations.

    BY THE WAY I am almost certain that the commercial netting of Flats is at the back of BK’s mind as it would be absolute nightmare for them netters to pull the nets through all the trees and snags that those cats slumber up by, just what I’ve noticed from his videos. Thats my honest opinion not actually a fact.

    Jesse Krook
    Y.M.H.
    Posts: 6403
    #837407

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    but just to remind people that I do believe that transporting bait with out a permit is illegal.


    I guess we all have broken this law including yourself as we all have transported bait to and from the lakes and rivers and while on the lakes and rivers. Lets not try and get off the subject that is at hand here and lets ALL keep our common sense as we go about this thread.

    erick
    Grand Meadow, MN
    Posts: 3213
    #837415

    I remember my first beer……..

    Jesse Krook
    Y.M.H.
    Posts: 6403
    #837417

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    I remember my first beer……..


    Then you didnt drink enough of them

    timmy
    Posts: 1960
    #837418

    My intial reaction is that considering the incredible tonnage these commercial guys take out, the numbers seen here are truly a drop in the bucket…. Nothing more than a tiny fraction of ROUGH fish with a smattering of game fish out of TONS AND TONS of harvested rough’s…..

    Not a big deal in my mind.

    Tim

    mplspug
    Palmetto, Florida
    Posts: 25026
    #837435

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    I remember my first beer……..


    Then you didnt drink enough of them



    riverfan
    MN
    Posts: 1531
    #837436

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    While I don’t like what is shown in the video either, it’s a fact of life on the river.


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    This couldn’t be closer to the truth. The water’s wet, the sky’s blue and people kill fish.




    I’m 99.9% catch and release but I know I inadvertently kill fish. There are gill hooked fish or deep hooked fish or some just don’t tolerate the stress of being caught. I’ve witnessed more than one sheephead slammed off gunnels and tossed back into the river. In one of the posts about fishing deep fish and the damage the pressure change can do, one reply said “the eagles need to eat too” To me that is wanton waste.

    I didn’t like what I saw in the video and I hope the commercial guys can do better. However, when we look at the big picture and the number commercial verses the number of sport fisherman on the river I don’t see commercial fishing the issue.

    jerad
    Otranto, IA/Hager City, WI
    Posts: 614
    #837441

    relax pug, I am just giving my opinion like everyone else. No undies in a bunch here and frankly I dont care that he put the video here. I dont know if he sent it to the DNR but that would have been the first and best place, once again, in my opinion.

    jerad
    Otranto, IA/Hager City, WI
    Posts: 614
    #837447

    Any good??
    I’d say if the comm fishers were doing nothing wrong, no harm done.
    Had they been doing something improper, I’d say yes and hope the DNR would step in, I ain’t above the law, neither are they.

    I don’t see anything Brian did wrong, if you did, maybe your hiding something???

    Al


    I never said BK did anything wrong or had any motives.

    Since my post was taken so harshly. I would like to state that I am not for or against netting and I think BK is a standup guy. Full of it up to his eyeballs, but a good guy. I have met him at Evert’s many times.

    Lets not attack people here. The heated topics, if they are able to stay civil, are the most interesting to read and follow.

    docfrigo
    Wisconsin
    Posts: 1564
    #837453

    Eric, question of the day is are your pole dancing days over since injuring your knee–couple gals from the senior center want to know

    Like my past post, I am not anti-commercial fishing and see it as a viable way to control the incoming invasion of asian carp. That being said, I am sure there are many ethical commercial operations out there that try their best to minimize loss and death-same as me releasing any fish.
    If someone is cold, wet,tired,lazy, pissed at the world and bouncing fish off the gunnel and expecting them to live-well, that is another matter-same as any fisherman cracking a sheephead on the side of the boat. Hidden adjendas aside, more and more information is obtainable like never before and thank Brian for posting such videos(the good and the bad)—it is quite possible that underwater views like this have not been seen by many before, including the DNR.
    This video is what it is. Maybe views like this rarely have been documented before? Maybe this is gross waste, maybe this is normal. Before anybody gets the rope for a hanging-let the people of proper authorities make a verdict with the current laws on the books. Some fisheries guy might view this and say “no big deal, perfectly acceptable loss”. Be ready for that verdict as well.

    Now, I am going to drink beer with Eric.

    mplspug
    Palmetto, Florida
    Posts: 25026
    #837454

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    relax pug, I am just giving my opinion like everyone else. No undies in a bunch here and frankly I dont care that he put the video here. I dont know if he sent it to the DNR but that would have been the first and best place, once again, in my opinion.



    The ps was mostly for you, because I didn’t want you to think I was talking about you other than addressing the affect on rough fish populations.

    And when you wear a pink thong like me, you don’t have to worry about bunching.

    bret_clark
    Sparta, WI
    Posts: 9362
    #837467

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    I remember my first beer……..


    Then you didnt drink enough of them




    FACT

    ggoody
    Mpls MN
    Posts: 2603
    #837477

    Well, we can add commercial netting to the list of things that have ruined pool 4 fishing along with the INTERNET of course.

    I was thinking there was a bit of an over-reaction myself in here with normal casualty’s for a large netting operation.

    mplspug
    Palmetto, Florida
    Posts: 25026
    #837519

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    I was thinking there was a bit of an over-reaction…



    I blame cabin fever. It’s almost time for my annual post where people demand I get kicked off the site.

    booner
    Rochester, MN
    Posts: 61
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    Booner, you need to stop listening to gossip and take the time to check the laws yourself before you start making accusations.


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    Gossip???? It’s funny the gossip that goes around before anyone actually knows or even attempts to get the facts. Then because of some BS gossip that no one has any practical evidence (other than gossip) to back up accusations start to fly. You want the facts about this call BK and ask him your self or you could just listen to the junior high school gossip, I am almost 100% positive BK’s phone # is not that hard to find.



    Let me think back to the FLW Tour. There were many posts about Ted Takasaki and how the FLW was going to investigate him for breaking numerous rules. I still have the pm’s I received. He was bashed and drug through the mud on here with out any facts. Well there was no investigation, no rules found broken, yet his name still remains tarnished. This situation is very similar and some of the same posters are involved.

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    1) Mn law requires a person to report a fish kill.



    What I am understanding is that this was posted to be veiwed as a reported fish kill. Only problem is when this went public before the investigation could take place it allowed for the commercial fisherman to hear the rumors and pull all their nets. If there was any illegal activity this tape being made public really hampered law enforcements efforts, as they found out when they showed up.

    Now that law enforcement has publicly announced that they have found no illegal activity can the bashing stop. I believe that they will never be viewed the same by many people. It is a shame that it went down this way.

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #837580

    There you go again Booner!

    Check your facts! You are looking like…your pants are on the ground.

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    What I am understanding is that this was posted to be viewed as a reported fish kill.


    Is it Ted whoever you said that is telling you this and there’s an agenda? I certainly don’t mind points of view that differ from mine, but all of this “hidden agenda”, “why were you in 5 feet of water” nonsense is making me wonder.

    I have a question about your erroneous statement.

    Had I gone to the DNR first, the authorities would have found something? But because I posted this publicly, they removed their nets and the DNR found no wrong doing?

    I’m just having a hard time following your posts.

    I think you need to go fishing, my boat’s in storage…can we take yours?

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #837583

    PS since the complaints change with every post, this could go on forever. So I’m ending my portion of this volley.

    booner
    Rochester, MN
    Posts: 61
    #837595

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    There you go again Booner! Check your facts!
    Is it Ted whoever you said that is telling you this and there’s an agenda?



    Interesting you don’t know what I am talking about. With your permission I will gladly post the pm YOU sent me about Ted Takasaki.

    The only facts I know are; You were the original poster and commercial fisherman got bashed for what turned out to be no reason. Guilty before proven innocent. Commercial fisherman will probably never be veiwed the same and you will go on and post about everything and nothing with a clear conscious.

    As far as fishing in the same boat, when you would like to fish for walleyes let me know. In the mean time I will ponder if I could put up with your rambling.

    targaman
    Inactive
    Wilton, WI
    Posts: 2759
    #837597

    Go pack go!

    Brent Yeakey
    Bloomer, WI
    Posts: 553
    #837603

    Interesting you don’t know what I am talking about. With your permission I will gladly post the pm YOU sent me about Ted Takasaki.

    The only facts I know are; You were the original poster and commercial fisherman got bashed for what turned out to be no reason. Guilty before proven innocent. Commercial fisherman will probably never be veiwed the same and you will go on and post about everything and nothing with a clear conscious.

    As far as fishing in the same boat, when you would like to fish for walleyes let me know. In the mean time I will ponder if I could put up with your rambling.


    Booner, go back and read the origional post made by BK! At no time did he blame anybody. He simply reported what he found and let us decide.

    Personally I never heard of anything with your uncle Ted. So get over it. There has to be more important things you can spend your time with.

    jerrj01
    Hudson, WI
    Posts: 1547
    #837621

    Any time you and/or BK want another person in the boat just to film fish let me know. I’d be more than happy to just ride along. I enjoy it for the same reasons. I don’t even have to chase them. Thanks guys for a very interesting and informative video.

    smithkeith
    Waterloo, Iowa
    Posts: 889
    #837631

    This horse is died!! Lets talk about something else!!

    Jesse Krook
    Y.M.H.
    Posts: 6403
    #837632

    I believe in the end Ted Wokataki was congratulated by most of the false accusers and things were smoothed out. I am pretty sure Takatooki has no relevance to this situation, 2 completely different scenario’s. Like I stated before nothing wrong has been done here by the netters or the poster. This Rochester Post Bulletin Article (posted above) pretty much sums it up and says it all. Great article, all should read it

    mplspug
    Palmetto, Florida
    Posts: 25026
    #837643

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    Commercial fisherman will probably never be veiwed the same…



    Because of this thread? Look out, the hyperbole police might write you up for that one.

    Outdraft
    Western Wi.
    Posts: 1149
    #837672

    I’m glad to see the video, i think the positives of commercial fishing outweigh the negatives,that said if there were doing something wrong they should be fined, it would be nice to know if this is normal mortality,don’t get me wrong i don’t like to see or hear of that many dead ones either but if they’re leagl i guess so be it, maybe some kind of change is needed but i not sure what, i don’t like the idea of someone working that hard to make an honest living lose that opportunity.Working on the river has always been a way of life for some, my guess is the ones that are doing now have a history of trapping and fishing for a living on the river.We will have to wait and see how this plays out.

    mccrty_ryn
    Holmen, WI
    Posts: 173
    #837674

    “2) Commercial fisherman can take 100 pounds of cats per day. With the size of the cats in my videos, what would that be? 4? Maybe 6 if they were little? (must be over 15 inchs) In the winter, using a seine, what are the chances of scooping up flats in their wintering holes? I’m not going to say it can’t be done, just with a 100 pound limit, why would they? “

    I believe the 100 lb limit on cats is only for seine nets. Gill nets do not have that limit. I am pretty sure this is correct. (the net in the video is a seine) Also if you hold an Iowa Commercial license I don’t believe they have a limit on cats.

    I will say from experience that sport fisherman have created more problems for set liners and netters than set liners and netters have for sport fisherman. To many times have my lines been cut or hoop nets(when they were legal) were disturbed because a crankbait got stuck or they were set in “someones favorite spot” What really gets me is when people run over my stakes in back sloughs because they are going to fast or weren’t paying attention.

    Oh boy Thats a whole new can of worms

    AllenW
    Mpls, MN
    Posts: 2895
    #837701

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    “2) Commercial fisherman can take 100 pounds of cats per day. With the size of the cats in my videos, what would that be? 4? Maybe 6 if they were little? (must be over 15 inchs) In the winter, using a seine, what are the chances of scooping up flats in their wintering holes? I’m not going to say it can’t be done, just with a 100 pound limit, why would they? “

    I believe the 100 lb limit on cats is only for seine nets. Gill nets do not have that limit. I am pretty sure this is correct. (the net in the video is a seine) Also if you hold an Iowa Commercial license I don’t believe they have a limit on cats.

    I will say from experience that sport fisherman have created more problems for set liners and netters than set liners and netters have for sport fisherman. To many times have my lines been cut or hoop nets(when they were legal) were disturbed because a crankbait got stuck or they were set in “someones favorite spot” What really gets me is when people run over my stakes in back sloughs because they are going to fast or weren’t paying attention.

    Oh boy Thats a whole new can of worms


    fwiw in my life I or someone who was fishing with me have snagged to the best of my memory, only 4 nets in over 45 years of fishing….all were not marked.
    Pretty easy to miss the clearly marked ones imho.

    Goes both ways.

    If your marked and get cut, shame on them, if your not marked and get cut, shame on you.

    Al

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