Mark McGwire

  • cougareye
    Hudson, WI
    Posts: 4145
    #1250726

    McGwire Admits to Roids

    While this isn’t that shocking, the truth is really starting to filter out. IMO, they need to get the truth out of Bonds then re-write or asterisk the record books.

    Has anyone bested Maris’ 61 in ’61 who hasn’t been linked to these things?

    Baseball has to make this right just like they did when they threw out the Chicago WS title and as strictly as they treat a guy like Pete Rose.

    Eric

    Hunting4Walleyes
    MN
    Posts: 1552
    #458524

    I totally agree! Mr. Maris should still be at the top.

    Brian Hoffies
    Land of 10,000 taxes, potholes & the politically correct.
    Posts: 6843
    #458341

    IMO Bonds will never talk. This will drag out with him until people quit talking about it.

    McGuire would have never talked other then a condition as getting back into the game with the Cardinals as hitting coach.

    The ‘roids era will go down in history but people will get past it. Only the pure fans today care. Most casual fans could care less, they just want homeruns.(proof the fans don’t care just look at the NFL)

    MLB and the owners are making the new parks as small as they can to try and keep the homeruns up.

    While the players got caught, remember regardless of what Bud says the owners and MLB endorsed it.

    walleyebuster5
    Central MN
    Posts: 3916
    #457754

    Good for Mark! I know he cheated (or made a mistake) but it takes some massive stones to come clean. And I bet he will feel much better about this whole thing in a year from now than he did for the past 15 years. I know some good will come out of this era.

    bigroy
    Winona, MN
    Posts: 81
    #457059

    Quote:


    Baseball has to make this right just like they did when they threw out the Chicago WS title


    What Title did baseball take from the White Sox
    There was no title to take. They threw the series!!! The infamous 8 were banned from Baseball but they did not win a title to take away. A whole different matter just as Pete Rose is a different issue. Gambling versus P.E.D.’s

    hnd
    Posts: 1579
    #456788

    Quote:


    Good for Mark! I know he cheated (or made a mistake) but it takes some massive stones to come clean. And I bet he will feel much better about this whole thing in a year from now than he did for the past 15 years. I know some good will come out of this era.


    notice he waited until right after the voting came in for the hall of fame? this is all a ploy to attempt a forgiveness vote out of the writers. he saw that he got the same amount of votes as last year, realized he was never going to get in going down this road and did this as a last stab.

    cougareye
    Hudson, WI
    Posts: 4145
    #456689

    Baseball’s history and legacy has been so closely tied to the people in this country, if baseball wants to get back to the prominence it once had, they need to come clean.

    Football has surpassed baseball in popularity but baseball is still America’s pastime. Baseball needs to get back to having a commissioner with real power. That was one of the requirements that came from the congressional hearing if I remember right and to ‘get over that hurdle’, Selig ‘sold’ his interests in the Brewers (to his family) and became a non-owner commissioner.

    This has all hurt baseball. We need a commissioner who can ban people from the sport, just like the pre-Bud commissioner did with Rose.

    And even with the smaller and smaller parks, no one has bested 61 HR’s and not been on the juice!!!

    ET

    cougareye
    Hudson, WI
    Posts: 4145
    #456438

    My bad on the Chicago scandal. Correction should be that the commissioner banned the 8 players for life!!

    2010 needs the latest version of 8 men out. Can we get to 8?

    McGwire, Sosa, Bonds, Clemens, Palmeiro, Rodriquez, Canseco, & Caminiti.

    Ron Johnsen
    Platteville wi
    Posts: 2969
    #456292

    please who cares

    perchhead
    Posts: 329
    #455004

    That would have been the old Chicago Black Sox and Shoeless Joe Jackson!

    Brian Hoffies
    Land of 10,000 taxes, potholes & the politically correct.
    Posts: 6843
    #454839

    Quote:


    My bad on the Chicago scandal. Correction should be that the commissioner banned the 8 players for life!!

    2010 needs the latest version of 8 men out. Can we get to 8?

    McGwire, Sosa, Bonds, Clemens, Palmeiro, Rodriquez, Canseco, & Caminiti.


    Don’t forget Matt Lawton.

    When the list finally comes out there will be a bunch of pitchers on it.

    bigroy
    Winona, MN
    Posts: 81
    #454840

    Maybe not 8 but 103 I believe it is? that took that test and they have there names but they won’t release it. because they took those tests back then voluntarily or somthing like that. but there is a list!

    Doug Bonwell
    Cedar Falls IA
    Posts: 887
    #453882

    For us fisherman. If we use illegal methods to win a tournament. i.e. extra lines, bait,shocker, dynamite etc. and win the tournaments by doing so, how would you feel. I know this is far fetched but put in perspective, these players cheated the game and should be stripped of records. Do we want records to stand from a tainted player that can’t be broken, or from the kid who can achieve this from hard work and GOD given ability.

    85lund
    Menomonie, WI
    Posts: 2317
    #432439

    WOW I never would have guessed that. His arms are bigger than my legs!

    kooty
    Keymaster
    1 hour 15 mins to the Pond
    Posts: 18101
    #432140

    Quote:


    For us fisherman. If we use illegal methods to win a tournament. i.e. extra lines, bait,shocker, dynamite etc. and win the tournaments by doing so, how would you feel. I know this is far fetched but put in perspective, these players cheated the game and should be stripped of records. Do we want records to stand from a tainted player that can’t be broken, or from the kid who can achieve this from hard work and GOD given ability.


    I don’t really care one way or another, but this perspective certainly does make me rethink my position a bit.

    cougareye
    Hudson, WI
    Posts: 4145
    #242307

    I heard a fan interviewed on the radio yesterday that said, “Now that he has come clean, this will pave his way to the HOF”.

    Are you kidding me? Now that he’s admitted it, he’s out of the HOF for sure.
    In monitoring the Foxsports and CBSsports site, this is the opinion of the majority of people. He’s for sure out of the HOF now, and this will make it easier to keep Sosa, Bonds, and others out.

    The only thing his admission does is allows him to be a hitting coach without a traveling media circus as the Cards go from town to town.

    While he hit many HR’s why would you put this guy in charge of hitting? Pujols doesn’t need a coach and most guys need to know how to make contact. Not going to get much from a career .263 hitter.

    ET

    Brian Hoffies
    Land of 10,000 taxes, potholes & the politically correct.
    Posts: 6843
    #244413

    Cards signed him because he helped Holiday at some point in his career.

    You should have heard the Goose Gossage interview on McGwire. No doubt on where he stands in regards to the HOF.

    I’m glad he confessed. Now, how about Bonds and Clemons.

    Tony LaRussa is looking like a fool trying to soft pedal this confession.

    walleyebuster5
    Central MN
    Posts: 3916
    #244313

    Quote:


    notice he waited until right after the voting came in for the hall of fame? this is all a ploy to attempt a forgiveness vote out of the writers. he saw that he got the same amount of votes as last year, realized he was never going to get in going down this road and did this as a last stab.


    I’m saying the guy did this to get it off his chest. Nothing more.

    kooty
    Keymaster
    1 hour 15 mins to the Pond
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    #237605

    I think it’s “amusing” how we(me included) can sit back and burn these guys at the stake for taking roids, peds, whatever. Even our national government decided to intervene. Yet, NO ONE, has yet to blame the two people most responsible for this. Bud Selig and Donald Fehr!!!!! They knew this was going on and did nothing but hide it. Now Selig is getting credit for cleaning it up. PLZ.

    Baseball, it’s so called high and mighty writers and the media simply don’t have anything else to talk about right now, so scandal sells. While they should be figuring out a way to make the game more interesting.

    The reality is, from the early 90’s until very recently, I feel everyone is guilty. Sorry to the few clean, talented individuals who didn’t juice. Life sucks, get over it.

    I guarantee there is some Dr, somewhere, designing a new PED that isn’t able to be detected with todays technology. Then what will we do. End the baseball hall of fame?

    b-curtis
    Farmington, MN
    Posts: 1438
    #831501

    What a shock. Everybody knew he did it. I don’t like how he makes it sound like he was the victim here. He wishes he wasn’t part of the steroid era? He was the start of it. I believe in the book about Bonds, it was reported that Bonds decided to start doing steroids after all the attention McGwire got. He should never get into the HOF. True roids don’t help you hit, but as he said they kept him on the field (plus the big bulging muscles). Well if his body would have broken down naturally, he wouldn’t have been on the field enough to hit the 500+ HR, plus the 70 HR year.

    LaRussa really sounded bad when he said that he didn’t know and then that McGwire wasn’t purposely cheating; just trying to help the team.

    This just continues to show that Griffey Jr. is by far the best player of the last 20 years. He has faded at the end of his career because his body naturally broke down. He doesn’t get the attention like the cheaters do and that is too bad. Same with Frank Thomas.

    bucketmouth1
    Lancaster, WI
    Posts: 562
    #831504

    he still has one of the greatest swings…nobody has a sweeter or smoother swing than griffey tho

    molitor
    Posts: 79
    #831519

    No doubt in my mind McGwire deserves no submission to the HOF. The sports critics are the ones who get the votes. In the First Take on ESPN the announcer had a 2/3 vote that he deserved nothing for what he did. Only to get expunged of his records and all. I agree non the less and as for Griffey Jr, He could’ve been the Michael Jordan of baseball but prolonged injuries help him back his whole career. But through McGwire announcing personally that he did in fact take steroids is only going to somewhat help him. Cause everyone knew he did them, the only thing lacking was the fact that he never announced it. Also admitting it has allowed him to be the hitting coach for the Cards so thats another reason why he came out. But people say that his average wasn’t good? well think about it this way. when you look at all other homerun hitters, look at their average and K’s. most of the leading homerun hitters of the past were also the top in those other negative categories. Other than that McGwire deserves no inductment to the HOF.

    Brian Hoffies
    Land of 10,000 taxes, potholes & the politically correct.
    Posts: 6843
    #831733

    Kooty,

    Not only did Selig & Fehr know, they comdoned it by doing nothing. You must also lump all the owners into that same pot of slop.

    If Griffey JR. used steroids I will be crushed.

    Why does the NFL get a pass from the fans on PED’s?

    col._klink
    St Paul
    Posts: 2542
    #831745

    I just dont understand how these guys can get away with this crap and get in the record books and possibly the hall of fame. Then you have a guy like Bert Blyleven who cant make it in. His stats are pretty good!

    Brian Hoffies
    Land of 10,000 taxes, potholes & the politically correct.
    Posts: 6843
    #831762

    The HOF is letting in many guys who would not have made it 40 years ago.

    Like fast food, the quality isn’t what counts.

    jackb
    liberty missouri
    Posts: 101
    #831785

    The truly amazing part is that fans of all sports think that their opinion counts. What counts to these organizations is your dollars, period. The steroid users are cheaters, no doubt. Do you think that offensive line coaches in the NFL don’t teach linemen how to hold and not get caught? Lawrence Taylor is in the NFL hall of fame, and has had NUMEROUS drug convictions. Not alleged uses, convictions. Yet we see him on dancing with the stars and doing weight loss commercials. Being from Kansas City and it’s woeful pro teams, I found it hilarious at the start of the NFL season, that Trace Atkins, some country singer, was hyping the Chiefs up-coming season. At the end of the commercial he points at you and says “Remember Kansas City, Chiefs football is always, ALWAYS about the fans! Really? Is that why you can’t put a winner on the field in the last dacade? Is that why on a 4-12 team you best wide receiver serves a 4 game suspension for violating the drug code, and then is welcomed back to cheers? I know I am rambling, but the point is what you, I, and especially the sports writers think is immaterial. The only true way to stop it would be get caught, and you are out for good. And I would bet a tidy sum that some of them would STILL juice up. What a great message to kids who hold these morons in high esteem by the way.

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