Yankees

  • pockets
    Golden Valley, MN
    Posts: 145
    #1264810

    The American League All Star Team just won another world series! Makes me an even bigger Twins fan knowing we don’t need to buy a team to make the fans proud.

    buck-slayer
    Posts: 1499
    #814088

    The salary cap works for football.

    bigpike
    Posts: 6259
    #814089

    Yes, I will have to watch Prince Fielder in pinstripes within a few years when he becomes a free agent, or some other large market team when the Brewers cant afford him anymore. Just like I had to watch Sabathia in pinstripes this year because they could not compete with the offer made from the Yanks. Damn Yankees!

    fish_any_time
    Champlin, MN
    Posts: 2097
    #814095

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    Yes, I will have to watch Prince Fielder in pinstripes within a few years when he becomes a free agent, or some other large market team when the Brewers cant afford him anymore. Just like I had to watch Sabathia in pinstripes this year because they could not compete with the offer made from the Yanks. Damn Yankees!


    Don’t forget about Mauer(sp?) after the 2010 season.

    b-curtis
    Farmington, MN
    Posts: 1438
    #814096

    How proud will those Twins fans be when they expect Mauer to take a big home town discount and he ends up batting in front of Fielder?

    Until there is a salary cap I don’t consider these titles legit. I don’t blame the Yankees as everybody wants their owners to spend. Blame baseball.

    I read a good article yesterday about how pretty much the only reason why baseball has small market teams is just so the big market teams have someone to play. It did point out that the Twins is the only small market team that is consistently good. All others are a one year wonders.

    chappy
    Hastings, MN
    Posts: 4854
    #814097

    That was going to be my question Francis….Do ya think Joe will take less money to stay in Minnesota? Kinda like Hrbek did?He comes accross so cool calm and collected. A great role model. I hope he stay’s.He’s got a saweet swing!

    kooty
    Keymaster
    1 hour 15 mins to the Pond
    Posts: 18101
    #814109

    No way Mauer stays unless the Twins offer a competitive salary to the Yankees. We should realize Posada is about done, so the timing couldn’t be any better for the Yanks. I don’t blame him for taking 100+ million either.

    I’m not sure the Yanks need Fielder with the current stud they have at 1st base, so I expect he’ll be coveted by the LA teams.

    At least we get to watch Mauer one year in the outdoors.

    fish_any_time
    Champlin, MN
    Posts: 2097
    #814110

    I guess it’s just how badly Mauer wants a ring.

    I could be wrong, but when Hrbeck signed again in 1990 he already had a ring with the Twins.

    85lund
    Menomonie, WI
    Posts: 2317
    #814112

    a salary cap will make a fair game. Go Brewers!

    jldii
    Posts: 2294
    #814117

    If not a salary cap, they could re-align the league into the “Haves” (big market) and the “Have nots” (small market) divisions. Then let the 2 winners play in the world series.

    Brian Hoffies
    Land of 10,000 taxes, potholes & the politically correct.
    Posts: 6843
    #814119

    Like in Star Wars there must be an evil empire. So the Yankee’s fill a role.

    The YES network owned by the Yankee’s (Steinbrenners) takes in $200 million a year, enough to handle the payroll and then some. Don’t look for the Yankee’s ever to consider sharing with any other teams. Also keep in mind the Yankee’s are the best thing to happen to the players association. They also would be opposed to a salary cap. Remember the Pohlads tried to start their own Yes network called Victory Sports. The reason they failed is we all knew Carl would funnel the money into his pockets and not return it on the field.

    Will Mauer go? No I don’t think so. The Twins are almost forced to pay up for him.Will Fielder be a Yankee? Not unless they have extra Sabathia sized uniforms laying around.

    Will the Twins contend next year? That my friends is why they play the game.

    BTW, Twins were 24th in payroll this year.

    b-curtis
    Farmington, MN
    Posts: 1438
    #814136

    The Yankee’s would easily fill that role with a salary cap.

    There won’t ever be a salary cap. As you say the player’s association won’t allow it. Plus the TV ratings are higher with the big clubs, so that is what baseball wants.

    Good point on Fielder. I forgot about Teixeira. But we are not just talking Yankees here. One of the other big guys like Boston, Chicago, or LA will step up for Fielder.

    So with Mauer, the Twins certainly are expecting to get some sort of home town discount, but even if they pony up for him, won’t that destroy what the team has built? If they are going to keep on the lower half of the payroll, paying that much to one player there won’t be anything left over for anybody else. So either the Twin will let him go and keep their current “business plan” in order and continue to succeed, or they will keep him and then the Twins will become a mediocre team with one star player. Those don’t sound like great options.

    Glenn Marshall
    Global
    Posts: 51
    #814137

    the yankees are like ferarri’s racing go-carts. how can they even celebrate? they should be ashamed of themselves.

    cougareye
    Hudson, WI
    Posts: 4145
    #814142

    I’m going to take this in another direction. I was surprised to hear that this is the 1st Yankees championship since 2000!! 9 years. First time in the WS since 2003? Is that right?

    And the Yankees were spending money like crazy all those years. And how many times were the Twins in the playoffs in that time? 4? 5? They were always 1-2 players away from doing something really special.

    So who do we really blame here? My point is that if the Twins had picked up 1 pitcher and 1 DH type in say ’04, we might have won it all. Not the Yankees fault.

    I was impressed that Pettitte, Jeter, Posada, and Rivera won their 5th titles last night. Look at that group right there. Not a bad apple in the bunch. I’ve always enjoyed watching these guys play as they do it with class and perform in the clutch.

    So if their payroll is $200 million, what have the Yankees spent the last 9 years to win it all? Mind boggling, but not always guaranteeing a championship.

    Congrats to those 4 core Yankee players! They deserve it.

    ET

    Glenn Marshall
    Global
    Posts: 51
    #814151

    Pahlease,,,Jeter has won 5 titles in 15 years. an average of a Title every three years???? The cash for Crowns program is working perfectly. Oh, and BTW out of his 15 seasons he’s missed the Post Season only once. C’mon man.

    b-curtis
    Farmington, MN
    Posts: 1438
    #814155

    It doesn’t buy you the trophy, but it buys you a playoff spot. This isn’t just about the Yankees. None of this is the Yankees fault and they should actually be applauded that they spend to win. This is baseball’s problem. Several teams all have a financial advantage over the rest of the league, so that automatically improves their chances. Then you have one-hit wonders like the Rays last year. Sure, they will be competitive for a couple years, and then all their big stars will be on the Yankees or Red Sox.

    The Twins really are the exception here being able to stay competitive. Even in that case, don’t you wish the Twins would have had a realistic chance to keep Santana. Look at the Brewers. They put up the biggest offer they could to keep C.C. and it was a drop in the bucket for the Yankees. And you can’t blame C.C. or any other player for taking the money. The system is broken.

    Good point bring up those 4 guys. Let’s not forget the team has two cheaters, Petitte and ARod…

    big_g
    Isle, MN
    Posts: 22529
    #814159

    I think I heard McCarver say Utley would be in Pinstripes next year…??? Is this known, or was he making a crack because he hit 5 homers tying Reggie…. and so as it goes, you get bought for NY fans ???

    big G

    b-curtis
    Farmington, MN
    Posts: 1438
    #814160

    I think the Phillies are one of the teams that doesn’t have a problem spending money. I doubt he will be going anywhere.

    LenH
    Wisconsin
    Posts: 2385
    #814302

    yanks biggest EVER in baseball.

    sure hope they finally win.

    eye-full
    Waterloo,Ia,USA
    Posts: 660
    #814315

    Let me first say I’m a CUBS fan, ya, ya.
    I applaud the Yanks. There are alot of teams with the money to pay players but don’t, some have more then the Boss to spend but don’t. Only a few have the chicklets and drive to do what it takes to keep or bring in talent. I do agree
    there ought to be a min and max in payroll, so fans like the Pirates don’t have to suffer.

    I do say the Twins surprise me about every year with how they do, would like to see their magic hat. Good coach .

    OK so I am a little bit of a Yanks fan or old (jeter, mo) Yanks fan.
    I’m tired don’t know if that made sense so hows that lol.

    Brian Hoffies
    Land of 10,000 taxes, potholes & the politically correct.
    Posts: 6843
    #814316

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    The Yankee’s would easily fill that role with a salary cap.

    There won’t ever be a salary cap. As you say the player’s association won’t allow it. Plus the TV ratings are higher with the big clubs, so that is what baseball wants.

    Good point on Fielder. I forgot about Teixeira. But we are not just talking Yankees here. One of the other big guys like Boston, Chicago, or LA will step up for Fielder.

    So with Mauer, the Twins certainly are expecting to get some sort of home town discount, but even if they pony up for him, won’t that destroy what the team has built? If they are going to keep on the lower half of the payroll, paying that much to one player there won’t be anything left over for anybody else. So either the Twin will let him go and keep their current “business plan” in order and continue to succeed, or they will keep him and then the Twins will become a mediocre team with one star player. Those don’t sound like great options.


    IMO they keep Mauer and Morneau who is already under contract for a few more years. Kubel goes to arbitration this year, if they can’t get him for 4-6 million per year on a 3-4 year deal I think he will be gone after 2010. Cuddyer is locked up for a couple more years as is Nathan. Span they will hang onto until his free agency year then he will be gone. Same with Young. Shortstop, second and third will be filled in with role players and the farm system. Pitching will be what we have seen the last few years. Kids and aging starters and a pieced together bullpen. With the new stadium they will take the payroll from mid 60’s million to the mid 70’s. That should mollify us tax payers.The honeymoon for the stadium will last about 5 years which will be enough time for the Polhads to recover their stadium investment. After that the big contracts start to expire and they will stuff their pockets and be content to be in the middle of the central for a few years until we really start to cry.

    b-curtis
    Farmington, MN
    Posts: 1438
    #814340

    Quote:


    Let me first say I’m a CUBS fan, ya, ya.
    I applaud the Yanks. There are alot of teams with the money to pay players but don’t, some have more then the Boss to spend but don’t. Only a few have the chicklets and drive to do what it takes to keep or bring in talent. I do agree
    there ought to be a min and max in payroll, so fans like the Pirates don’t have to suffer.

    I do say the Twins surprise me about every year with how they do, would like to see their magic hat. Good coach .

    OK so I am a little bit of a Yanks fan or old (jeter, mo) Yanks fan.
    I’m tired don’t know if that made sense so hows that lol.


    Nobody has more money than the Yankees. Sure some owners may be worth more, but no team brings in as much money as the Yankees do. And the only reason for that is they are in the largest city with their own network. Imagine what the Giants could do if there wasn’t a salary cap in football. Maybe you have some inside information that says otherwise, but I have listened to every baseball writer (Peter Gammons just this morning) say that the Yankees have a substantial financial advantage over any other team, including Boston and the Mets. Again, I don’t hate the Yankees for spending money; there are plenty of other reasons to hate them.

    I do agree that some owners just pocket the money they get from the league. I believe the Royals owner does? I do think the vast majority would spend to compete, but I am sure they look at it and say we could raise our payroll 20 million this year, but what is the point since the Yankees just signed three guys to contracts worth more than the value of a small market team.

    I’m actually surprised baseball makes the kind of money it does. I know very few people who watch it anymore. I don’t remember the last time I watched a game from start to finish. Maybe I have ADD but baseball is boring. I laugh when Bud says he doesn’t want more instant replay because it would hurt the flow of the game. It seems sometime there is a half hour break between pitches. When there is a long pause, I turn the channel to something like reruns of UFC on Spike and a lot of times I forget to go back for an hour (and I only missed two innings).

    eye-full
    Waterloo,Ia,USA
    Posts: 660
    #814387

    Some very good points Curtis for not likening BB
    I agree they bring in more money then all other teams because of the market but I was saying there are other owners who have more money personally then Steinbrenner.

    I know some use the team as a way to make money, some to cover other business adventures. I would think if they used the profit they make or put money into the team instead of their pocket that the fans would respond and revenue would go up. Not to the yanks level but things would be a little more even then it is now.

    That is one thing I loved that the new Cubs owners said is “that all money will stay in the organization”. To me that should be a rule in a perfect world but hey.
    To me there are 3 kinds of teams in MLB 1)the ones that are just there
    2)the ones that use a smart farm system program i.e. Twins, Marlins 3) the ones that buy players Yanks, cough sox cough.
    Cubs might be a little hybrid but I think you see what I’m saying.

    I agree with replay also but I don’t think that will change.
    As far as speed I remember one pitcher took 5 mins between pitches, timed him, couldn’t watch that one .

    I love baseball, watch and listen to every Cub game and most the talking heads too, and I take what Peter Gammons says with a grain of salt. I think we pretty much agree that MLB needs to change but that’s like talking to the BCS. I don’t know if all that came out right but (game face) it is what it is lol.

    I’m curious how the Twinkies do out doors early in the season.

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