History before our eyes?, End of Days? or Both?

But to overhaul a Healthcare system that 85% of Americans are happy with is insane.

I’ve yet to speak to ONE of those 85%.

You just did!

My bill for cancer surgery was over $50k. If I had been in Canada or Britain I may not be typing this.

I still have my house and have not lost everything I have worked so hard for to pay medical bills. I am sorry if your story is different.

85% of Americans are happy with ??? Where do you get that number ??? I have it, but am not happy having my premiums go up at a 6% hike every year. I NEVER go to the doctor, yet my premiums are increased ??? Over the last decade, premiums have more than doubled, with a 119% increase in costs. There’s a difference between having it and being happy with it…

big G

Those are the numbers being used by both sides based on polls. Even if it was 65%…Even if you HATE your current situation..would my proposal be wrong???

You guys confuse me.

The Socialistic Government run approach just isn’t going to work because they are not spending their own money.

NO PUBLIC OPTION PAY YOUR OWN WAY

FROM ANOTHER 85%ER

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Little stuff… sore throat, ear infections…. 6 kids = 6 sore throats, 12 ear infections…. not so little… What you are proposing IS how it is now..

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What I propose is that YOU cover you 18 ear infections and sore throats. Instead of running to urgent care 18 times and making the $20 co-pay each time you foot the whole bill out of your tax-deferred medical savings account.

The way it is now people have no incentive to be frugal. Get those hangnails and fevers of 99.9 degrees checked out! Go ahead clog up waiting rooms with minor stuff that might not need to be immdiately checked out and will go away on their own. Please continue the over prescribing of antibiotics so we can have nastier and more virulent superbugs. Insurance is footing most of the bill so what the hey!

What I am proposing is not new. It is the way the system worked before. When you go to the doctor for minor things you pay. Insurance is for major stuff. Stuff that will wipe you out. Does your car insurance pay for oil changes or new tires?

And if you have 1 kid or 16 they are still your responsibility. So have as many as you can afford.

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A hypocondriac… I am NOT. I can’t remember the last time I was to a doctor. So who makes the decision, whether you bring your kid in with a fever, a parent or $$$. Sounds like you want to put incentive, on not getting checked out, or preventative maintenance and having a small problem develop into a bigger one ??? I have no kids, so I am only giving you scenarios. Why would they go to urgent care for a ear infection ??? Sounds like a procedural problem ??? I don’t have the answers, but will say, this “campaign” promise of reforming healthcare, is defintely being addressed. Wasn’t everybody else tired of hearing it every 4 years ??? At least somebody is doing/talking about it, finally. Hopefully, next election, I won’t have to hear “I will reform healthcare” You can’t get rid of a fungus by ignoring it, it keeps growing & spreading…

big G

I’m completely happy with our coverage also. Make that 2.

At what % of your income will you become “unhappy” that it is going to healthcare ??? Currently on average a family of 4 costs $13K per year. Employees pay on averg 30% of this (higher where I am 50%, thats probably why I am a 15 % )On the trend we are on, it will double again by 2018…. will you be happy then ??? If you will, then I am guessing you will be in the minority and are just that stubborn…. it’s been said MANY times, people without healthcare, get healthcare… who do you think pays for it ?? WE DO !!! In higher premiums !!! Why not have them contribute also… they get the care regardless.. Right ??? Talk about confused ???

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The ironic thing about your argument is that the “poor”, who I currently pay for, don’t have the money to pay for healthcare. So, how are they going to contribute? Where are they going to get the money?

They currently have free healthcare, right? I may be confused, but I’m pretty sure they are NOT going to pay when they already know they don’t have to. You can walk into just about any hospital E room and get care now days.

I’m not saying there isn’t greed in insurance, healthcare and drugs. Surely there is and it needs some regulation. However, the US government has proven it can’t manage squat effectively.

Would you want to live in a country with NO governing ??? Think before you answer…

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For God’s sake G! You are all over the map on this one! Go from redoing healthcare to “No Government?” A little extreme, huh?

Yes to both of your points!!! Is anyone here disagreeing that the Healthcare (INSURANCE) system needs to be overhauled? No.

Am I suggesting we level the playing field so small companies can compete and help aid in the recovery of our Country? Yes.

The recovery is going to start and sustain at those levels, not the “Big Companies” who can at the flip of a switch build mass quantities of product in Asia or India. Who is going to employ people that will work Stateside and contribute to our economy?

We need to make it so Insurance companies have “Skin in the Game” as the saying was during the election. Right? Hold their feet to the fire. Make THEM pay for discriminating and charging the high premiums! (Where are the lynch mobs that were after “Big Oil?”)

So why is it that we are getting our government involved in an area where they have ZERO expertise???

Please tell me who our Health and Human Services Chairman is please? What??? Can’t hear you! We don’t HAVE ONE you say??? Wait a minute…this is a cabinet position that DIRECTLY has to do with Health Care provisions and policy in our Country!!! Why has this administration not appointed one yet?

Guys and gals…this is what I mean!!! Why are we “Trusting” that our government knows better what is right for us? The CBO, a truly bipartisan organization is on record stating that this healthcare reform bill will add DRAMATICALLY to the Deficit! Pay the insurance company now and have the coverage you enjoy, or the government later…take your pick.
Once that bullet is out of the gun…it’s gone for good.

I don’t see anywhere in my statement did I wish for no government. Why does everyone believe the government is going to fix this? Look at the track record they have. How they doing on replacing our foreign oil dependancy? What about social security? How about illegal immigration?

Really does it matter what we debate here. Obama has said this will happen. His pockets have been lined and all the good little democrats are falling in line. Read the newletters from our national representation. We have the highest national deficit in history. Yet our president plans to have it cut in half by the end of his term. Where is all this money coming from? We are talking about half a trillion dollars(before healthcare is subsidized for the nation). Where is the money going to come from? I’ll give you 1 guess.

The good news is, when the government starts paying for the “poor mans” healthcare, my rates will go down. Because I won’t be “paying” for it any longer. Wonder where the government is going to get that money?

Just got this email as a “Joke” from a buddy this morning:

Let me get this straight.

Obama’s health care plan will be written by a committee whose head says he doesn’t understand it, passed by a Congress that hasn’t read it, signed by a president who smokes,funded by a treasury chief who did not pay his taxes, overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and financed by a country that is nearly broke.

What possibly could go wrong?

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85% of Americans are happy with ??? Where do you get that number ??? I have it, but am not happy having my premiums go up at a 6% hike every year. I NEVER go to the doctor, yet my premiums are increased ??? Over the last decade, premiums have more than doubled, with a 119% increase in costs. There’s a difference between having it and being happy with it…

big G

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That would be my personal gripe too G.But this is not just about us IDO’ers,who obviously have nothing better to do right now but [censored] one way or another,about health care reform.This is about all Americans and the health care system we currently have in place is broken.The changes talked about here,tort reform,medicaid,medicare reform,may all need to happen too….I don’t know.It’s not something I’ve researched a great deal.Quite honestly,I try to spend my free time doing more fun things…my bad.However,the financial stake the insurance industry has in all of this is huge and cannot be ignored either.The propaganda being used by them and the millions being spent on creating and perpetrating that propaganda is a bigger part of ALL of this than you and I can imagine.What’s the old saying?Don’t throw the baby out with the bath? I guess,in a nutshell,that’s my perspective.And now,this IS my last contribution.The weekend has begun and I’m going fishing.

I will be on Pool 3 both days this weekend…if anyone wants to hear anymore of my brilliant ideas on how we can improve things in America, I can be found monitoring Channel 82 on the VHF!
(Oh wait, that would be unhealthy! )

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I don’t see anywhere in my statement did I wish for no government. Why does everyone believe the government is going to fix this? Look at the track record they have. How they doing on replacing our foreign oil dependancy? What about social security? How about illegal immigration?

Really does it matter what we debate here. Obama has said this will happen. His pockets have been lined and all the good little democrats are falling in line. Read the newletters from our national representation. We have the highest national deficit in history. Yet our president plans to have it cut in half by the end of his term. Where is all this money coming from? We are talking about half a trillion dollars(before healthcare is subsidized for the nation). Where is the money going to come from? I’ll give you 1 guess.

The good news is, when the government starts paying for the “poor mans” healthcare, my rates will go down. Because I won’t be “paying” for it any longer. Wonder where the government is going to get that money?

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Small step but cash for clunkers, is a step in using less foreign oil… and everybodys(one party mostly) is beoching about it… can’t win

The biggest cost savings, realized in most industry is “bulk”. Not waste. Most of the realized “savings” if you want to call it that, is in duplication. You go to one doctor, he orders a test, get a 2nd opinion, same test is run… forget about it for awhile… guess what another test… lose coverage, get coverage back, it hurts again, another “test” I see a pattern here… test test test…. I am not saying I agree with everybody gets healthcare, no matter their situation.. I am saying, I am glad somebody is finally remembering a campaign promise…. healthcare needs reform !!! Is it going to be perfect, probably not, but anything is better than me paying for people without it, that don’t get any preventative care, but rather the big $$$$$, when it becomes life threatening and they use the ER…

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