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if everyone knew EXACTLY who had a gun and who didn’t?
I don’t think so Ou although I do see your point and I do think open carry would be a detourent up to some point.
My reasoning is if a weapon is carried in the open, that person becomes the first target. My goal is to live, so I want to keep the element of surprise on my side.
On a side note open carry make some folks nervous. 
I have always wondered, so I will ask those in the know. In MN do you “have to” conceal, or can you carry openly on your hip ? I have seen this done and wondered if that is correct or not ???
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but you do have the right to hold them at gunpoint until the authorities arrive.
I am going to agree with Brian on this one. The only reason you can point a weapon at someone is for self defense, and that is it. I think theft and fearing for your life are two very separate things.
Big G in MN it’s a carry permit. Each person can choose to open carry or conceal.
Less hassle from everyone if it’s concealed if you get my drift. 
Thanks 
big G 
I own many, many guns and love them all.
Usually, I just carry a wad of 4 oz sinkers in my pocket and start chuckin’ when I feel threatened–buys me enough time to hit 911 on my cell phone. 
To all that carry, make sure you use proper judgement–you can not call a bullet back.
Never knew fishing would be so dangerous. 
Doc
Just a word of caution about 4 oz sinkers as I’m VERY familiar with them.
Once the leave your hand, you are responsible for them from “cradle to grave”. 
Ps you are not allowed to conceal 4 oz sinker in WI unless you are on private land with the land owners permission.
Has anybody on here ACTUALLY used their concealed handgun to get them out of a sticky situation? without negative ramifications?
I can’t picture my or my neighbors life being any safer because I’m carrying a gun around…..but I live a sheltered life…..maybe you boys need to move out of the big bad city .
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Has anybody on here ACTUALLY used their concealed handgun to get them out of a sticky situation? without negative ramifications?
I can’t picture my or my neighbors life being any safer because I’m carrying a gun around…..but I live a sheltered life…..maybe you boys need to move out of the big bad city
City or country, I don’t think it matters. I’ve taught the fiance how to handle the guns in my/our house. I’ve told her a couple times regarding someone entering our house in a robbery or harmful capacity. “just point in their direction and pull the trigger. If you kill them, great. If you hit them, hit them again. If you miss, they’ll probably soil themselves, rethink their intentions, and run. That’s the least desirable outcome, but that’s OK to. At least you’ll be safe.”
To be honest with you in this day and age. You probably have a better if not comparable chance of running into trouble in the woods or on the water (make shift meth labs for example) than you do in the “city”.
What is the open carry law in WI? As far as I know, there is none? I seem to recall a month or two ago a guy getting some hasstle about mowing the lawn while toting an open-carry pistol. I think he was in the right (no laws against open carry), but his neighbor had called the cops or something.
Can you legally open carry in WI without any sort of permit or anything?
(I’m sure you would draw a lot of attention, so probably not worth it, but its an interesting question…)
I take it you can’t open carry without the permit in MN, correct?
Very interesting to read all of the opinions on the subject!!
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Has anybody on here ACTUALLY used their concealed handgun to get them out of a sticky situation? without negative ramifications?
I can’t picture my or my neighbors life being any safer because I’m carrying a gun around…..but I live a sheltered life…..maybe you boys need to move out of the big bad city
You do live a sheltered life if you think you cannot be the target of random violence. And the more isolated in the country, the further away help is. As unlikely as it is, there is no reason whatsoever that a normal good person should not have the right to defend themselves from a pshyco killer and [given C&C as well as home defense] the means to do so with a high probability of success.
It’s legal to open carry in WI without a permit.
Now there’s a box of worms!
Seems like few including LE’s are aware of this and even though it’s legal, apparently some officers like to charge the person with disorderly conduct. I don’t know this first hand.
Jon Jordon posted about an open carry picnic in WI just a week or so ago.
In St Paul, there’s a restuarant that serves an Open Carry Sunday brunch. I don’t think it’s meant to shoot your own bacon on the way in though.
There have been some valid questions and some not so valid brought up on C&C, but I look at it differently. If I pass a state and federal backround check and am a law abiding citizen and have gone through C&C training, haven’t I earned the right to C&C? I have had my C&C for a number of years and feel that all the people I know that carry are more responsible than the ones that don’t! You have to understand that it is not to pull out and show your friends, but to use in a life or death situation. I am not afraid of the dark, but I am afraid of the scum that are free to roam the streets and country preying on individuals with no consequence. 
I will have NO problem using deadly force where needed and protecting my family and property. If you don’t agree with C&C that is your right, but don’t question those that due. They may save you in the future????
690reece
I totally agree reece…. I often wonder what would happen, if someone whipped out their gun, at a bar fight… then the other guy whips his out… I know this has to happen somewhere. I was always taught, if you brandish a weapon, you better be intent on using it. In the scenario, if someone pulls their gun on you, do you pull yours on them and shoot, or have a standoff ??? I am sure they go through all this in C & C class, what do they say ?
big G
big G aren’t you supposed to go out in the middle of Main Street at high noon?
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I totally agree reece…. I often wonder what would happen, if someone whipped out their gun, at a bar fight… then the other guy whips his out… I know this has to happen somewhere. I was always taught, if you brandish a weapon, you better be intent on using it. In the scenario, if someone pulls their gun on you, do you pull yours on them and shoot, or have a standoff ??? I am sure they go through all this in C & C class, what do they say ?
big G
My assumption is this, if you pull your gun on me, anywhere, anytime. I’m pulling mine and firing. There is no talking at this point. Again, that comes back to, if you point, you better be ready to use it. But, I would also not be drinking if I was carrying in a bar.
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I totally agree reece…. I often wonder what would happen, if someone whipped out their gun, at a bar fight… then the other guy whips his out… I know this has to happen somewhere. I was always taught, if you brandish a weapon, you better be intent on using it. In the scenario, if someone pulls their gun on you, do you pull yours on them and shoot, or have a standoff ??? I am sure they go through all this in C & C class, what do they say ?
big G
My assumption is this, if you pull your gun on me, anywhere, anytime. I’m pulling mine and firing. There is no talking at this point. Again, that comes back to, if you point, you better be ready to use it. But, I would also not be drinking if I was carrying in a bar.
Yeah, you may not want to carry while in a bar…
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The following are crimes under Minnesota law:
1. Carrying a Firearm Under the Influence of a Controlled
Substance or Alcohol
2. Carrying a firearm when a person’s alcohol concentration
is more than 0.04
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there is no reason whatsoever that a normal good person should not have the right to defend themselves from a pshyco killer
Does that mean you carry because you’re worried about psycho killers? 
I guess I’ll take my sheltered life and not worring/thinking about random acts of psycho’s…..over being reminded everyday when I strap up that some one some where may be out to get me or something really bad might happen today……(because it would have to be REALLY bad for a gun to actually come out).
I’d rather pretend the threat doesn’t exist and live my life with a smile on my face. Let Jack Bauer work out the rest.
To each his own…..for sure 
Makes sense. Wonder if it holds true….
big G
Exactly what I stated, I would not put myself into a position where my judgement could be impaired by booze.
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there is no reason whatsoever that a normal good person should not have the right to defend themselves from a pshyco killer
Does that mean you carry because you’re worried about psycho killers?
I guess I’ll take my sheltered life and not worring/thinking about random acts of psycho’s…..over being reminded everyday when I strap up that some one some where may be out to get me or something really bad might happen today……(because it would have to be REALLY bad for a gun to actually come out).
I’d rather pretend the threat doesn’t exist and live my life with a smile on my face. Let Jack Bauer work out the rest.
To each his own…..for sure
For sure. And no, I’m not worried.If you want to depend on Jack Bauer to protect you and your family 100% that is entirely your choice. I suspect our differnces are generational as much as anthing.
Being a recently (yesterday actually) permit to carry holder in MN I am new to carrying, however, here is my biggest reason for carrying. Like any preventative maintenance, whatever it may be, does a person ever think to themselves, dangit, I wish I wouldn’t have performed that little extra maintenance since nothing happened? I would hope not. Same holds true to carrying. I guaranty while carrying I will never have a situation that I think to myself, dangit, I wish I wasn’t protected right now. However, I can guaranty there are plenty of people who get put in situations where they think, ‘gee, I wish I had some protection right now.’ Call me simplistic, but I also have a fire extinguisher and I don’t plan on my house starting on fire. And I don’t have an extinguisher because my house has started on fire before either! (The latter is to answer the question as to why people carry when they don’t have any history of bad events)
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Being a recently (yesterday actually) permit to carry holder in MN I am new to carrying, however, here is my biggest reason for carrying. Like any preventative maintenance, whatever it may be, does a person ever think to themselves, dangit, I wish I wouldn’t have performed that little extra maintenance since nothing happened? I would hope not. Same holds true to carrying. I guaranty while carrying I will never have a situation that I think to myself, dangit, I wish I wasn’t protected right now. However, I can guaranty there are plenty of people who get put in situations where they think, ‘gee, I wish I had some protection right now.’ Call me simplistic, but I also have a fire extinguisher and I don’t plan on my house starting on fire. And I don’t have an extinguisher because my house has started on fire before either! (The latter is to answer the question as to why people carry when they don’t have any history of bad events)
nicely put
While I see the pro’s to carrying…. I myself just have a hard time, putting myself in a situation, where I feel the need to carry. Like said, anything can and will happen at any time and usually when you least expect it. I think it is great that there are people amongst us, that are packing, I would just need to be more comfortable, carrying myself, that I would be responsible with it… I have a hard time with a fire extinguisher (used to save property/lives) and a gun (used to save/take property/lives) being comparable. Nobody was ever prosectued/incarcerated for using a fire extinguisher under the wrong circumstances that I can recall……? Again, I think it’s great that people are allowed to defend themselves with a weapon, I would rather have a gun at a knife fight, but I don’t know that I can totally trust myself with that kind of responsibilty at this time… who knows, maybe someday.
big G
In a nutshell…
99.999% of the time you will never need it.
But the .001% that you do…you need it bad to save your life!
Brandishing is illegal. If you are doing it to taunt someone or to flex your “Muscle” you could get arrested for agg. assault or worse. 
I have a badge that says “Conceal Carry Permit”. If you are in a spot where as was mentioned:
1. People are vandalizing your stuff.
2. Road rage incidents (It happens a LOT!!!)
3. Virtually ANY instance where you would think brandishing would get your point across.
A flash of this badge in your mirror will get people off your a$$ in a heartbeat. Beats a gun anyday.
Maybe some of you have not watched the news lately. Crime is everywhere. It does not stop at City limits. When I am out and about it is a piece of my daily wear. You will never see it.
About open carry…you may have just put everyone around you in danger. A firearm on your hip can be taken from you at a moment’s notice and used against you and others because you do not know the intentions of others around you. Guess who gets sued if others around you are killed with that gun..assuming you yourself live? 
With conceal carry you already know the intentions of the bad guy. The gun is your final and last option. You best have proof of many hours of training at the range…continual training and not just the day you qualify for your CC.
Oh, and protecting those around you? Be very careful there as well. It is a slippery slope. You do NOT have the right to pull a gun and shoot someone who is holding up someplace or someone if your own life was not in immediate danger. Ultimately, it will be the call of 12 jurors. But you will most likely be in jail until then. And then the wrongful death suit by the scumbags family.
With “The Guys” we talk of our guns with affection. We pull them out at ranges well oiled, and shoot a number of rounds practicing scenarios we hope we will NEVER have to put into use. Ever. But when you accept the responsibility of carrying and excersise your RIGHT to do so…it pays to know exactly what you are doing and the ramifications. When we get home we disassemble them and clean every nook and cranny…then it is back into the holster. I am not afraid of the dark. I am not afraid of anyone I walk by on the street. I am not afraid of getting into a fight. I am also not afraid of going virtually anywhere at anytime if need be. Do I or any of my CC friends go looking for a fight? Aside from Kooty, absolutely NOT! Because you will always find one if you are looking for one. 
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Exactly what I stated, I would not put myself into a position where my judgement could be impaired by booze.
Good one, Kooty! Some of us have been around long enough and seen enough posts about you to know that statement right there is funny…no matter who you are.
Seriously though, I know what you mean.
As a traditional archer I am still trying to figure out where to hide a recurve so nobody knows I’m packing! Problem is my bow is taller than me.
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Oh, and protecting those around you? Be very careful there as well. It is a slippery slope. You do NOT have the right to pull a gun and shoot someone who is holding up someplace or someone if your own life was not in immediate danger. Ultimately, it will be the call of 12 jurors. But you will most likely be in jail until then. And then the wrongful death suit by the scumbags family.
While I do agree that you will be in a pickle in civil court, and even criminal court, you do have the right to protect others under the justifiable taking of life statute allowing for the protection of others in immediate danger of death or great bodily harm.
MN Statute 609.065 reads:
“The intentional taking of the life of another is not authorized by section 609.06, except when
necessary in resisting or preventing an offense which the actor reasonably believes exposes the
actor or another to great bodily harm or death, or preventing the commission of a felony in
the actor’s place of abode.”
As long as a person can prove the ability, opportunity, and jeapordy of the situation they should be safe in criminal court.
Well said Chris
big G
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