This is not a political post just a realistic post with thoughts regarding the feasability of our goverment spending $10,000 dollars for every man, woman and child that lives in this country in the year 2009, mind you this does not factor in our state and local budgets. How much of a burden can working familys realisticly handle? 
Quick update: ’09 Budget is actually at $11,833 per person. 
Cool. I got a raise. When do I get my check?
me too, me too! Can’t wait…
Also, will this have any affect on our fish bucks? 
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Also, will this have any affect on our fish bucks?
Actually they are giving more fish bucks, but then are going to make our children pay them back
More good news… if I accept my check IDO can never discontinue or decrease the funding levels of the fishbuck program despite the lack of committed government funding in years to come. However you should plan on inflation taking a bite out of the value of your 2-cents down the road. So plan on posting more to compensate.
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More good news… if I accept my check IDO can never discontinue or decrease the funding levels of the fishbuck program despite the lack of committed government funding in years to come. However you should plan on inflation taking a bite out of the value of your 2-cents down the road. So plan on posting more to compensate.
I can post more, but I still won’t have any thing intelligent to say. 
Come on now, you HAVE TO deduct the $400 that some people get in return from that grossly inflated amount.
Peter is starting to get upset that he has to give his hard earned money to Paul who is to lazy to find extra work or get a job in the first place! 
can’t I just get the pork money direct, sorry, stimulas payments….. a direct payment of $ 300,000.00 for each job works for me….. 
I’ve heard a lot of this lately and agree 100%. The thing that bothers me is that Americans are sitting by and watching this happen. This will not change unless we write our elected officials and tell them this is ridiculous. Tell them you will not vote for them and will encourage others to do the same if they vote for the frivolous spending.
Not trying to take this off topic, but I fear for the future of our children, and it seems that nobody really wants to take initiative and let their officials know how they feel. It takes no more time to write these same comments in an email to your senators/congressmen than it does to post it on a fishing forum. Please do so.
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More good news… if I accept my check IDO can never discontinue or decrease the funding levels of the fishbuck program despite the lack of committed government funding in years to come. However you should plan on inflation taking a bite out of the value of your 2-cents down the road. So plan on posting more to compensate.
I can post more, but I still won’t have any thing intelligent to say.
Hasn’t stopped you yet
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Cool. I got a raise. When do I get my check?
Well for my family of four the burden of the ’09 budget comes in at $47,332.00, of course very little of it is budgeted for my family, oh well- when I loose my job atleast I can count on Goverment support if we don’t go bankrupt before my job is gone. I suppose the only way to look at this is to laugh it off- haha……ha 
I’m so glad we had that 3rd child last year. 
Get ready for Socialism or maybe another American Revolution. Take your pick. It’s getting spooky out there.
Socialism is here, circa 1930’s
I think Alexis De Tocqueville said it best in 1835 though.
“The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public’s money.”
Trumans new deal extended the great depression until 1940 it did not shorten it. WW2 brought this country out of its funk. Might be time for some real pain and then some real cleansing. I hope it works for the sake of our great country, but I just dont see how. Remmember this is just the first month out of the gates, we could have a natural disaster like when Katrina hit or a man made one like 9-11 and turn us even further into a tailspin. I’d like to see the administration keep a few bullets in the chamber for a rainy day instead of blowing them all off and backing us into a corner if it does not work. IMHO….The other thing that scares me is 5% of the people in this country pay 60% of the taxes, those are the people that move and shake the job market. The current Admin. wants to target those people for even more $$$ in new taxes. Were does the job growth come from? The company I work for exports 99.9% of our product overseas, we pay 38% tax on everything we sell and the new Admin. wants to increase that tax to fund sociol programs. My company was planning on building a site overseas before this downturn to avoid that tax, I am afraid with a boost in that tax they just might decide to pull up stakes and move everything abroad. Scary scary times we live in…
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WW2 brought this country out of its funk.
True, but only because the ability to manufacture anything in Europe, Japan, Germany ect was decimated. We ruled exports of everything for 10 yeary. Today, we need to compete.
-J.
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More good news… if I accept my check IDO can never discontinue or decrease the funding levels of the fishbuck program despite the lack of committed government funding in years to come. However you should plan on inflation taking a bite out of the value of your 2-cents down the road. So plan on posting more to compensate.
I can post more, but I still won’t have any thing intelligent to say.
I…uhh..what… ….aahh….mmmmm….WHAT??…
Hey I got an idea…how about the fish bucks increase at the same rate as inflation??….HMMMM?????…
Anybody who is waiting for a Gov’t to make their life better, has a long wait ahead of them. This is still America, belly ache or get ahead in life, it’s up to each individual. You can read, listen and believe what you want and get depressed, I for one won’t wollow in the end of the world is here and I have it so bad. I figure I have one life to live and I am busy living it. If I believed everything I heard on the news, I would be one miserable person. Thank god I have a mind of my own and can form my own thoughts. Positive energy is just as contagious as negative, so this post is my attempt at spreading some good carma I think that so many people nowadays, want to blame anybody else they can, for being miserable. I learned something long ago. The only thing I can truely control is my own attitudes and perspectives, they are mine and nobody else can control them. I guess I choose to look at the glass as half full, rather than half empty and if my glass gets a little low, it’s up to me to fill it again, not anybody elses responsiblity.
big G 
I can’t even really put into words how I feel about what is going on right now. I am absolutely flabbergasted at what is being done to “save” the country. Glass half full?
Glass half empty? How about glass shattered on the floor and trillions of dollars leaking all over the place. It is insane. Unless the goal is to kill capitalism and replace it with socialism I don’t see how any of this can work. AND I DO THINK THAT IS THE GOAL! Does anybody ever bother to read the backgrounds on the people they vote for?
dd
Does anybody ever bother to read the backgrounds on the people they vote for?
No, case in point MN, they voted in a carpetbagger for senator who has not lived here in 30 years. (yes, I know he is not in yet, but the courts will hand him the seat soon)
Pretty much people vote for who they are told to by their party, no review of the their views, or concerns for how their vote will effect our country.
People pretty much look to the government to save them from everything, (bad investments, debts, you name it) everyone is looking for the “free” handout and nobody seems to care how it is paid for.
As I tell my daughters everyday though, nothing is free, somebody is paying for it… 
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I can’t even really put into words how I feel about what is going on right now. I am absolutely flabbergasted at what is being done to “save” the country. Glass half full?
Glass half empty? How about glass shattered on the floor and trillions of dollars leaking all over the place. It is insane. Unless the goal is to kill capitalism and replace it with socialism I don’t see how any of this can work. AND I DO THINK THAT IS THE GOAL! Does anybody ever bother to read the backgrounds on the people they vote for?dd
“The sky is falling, the Sky is falling… broken shattered glass…”you can do that, I simply refuse too. Do you really let it affect you like that ???? I don’t. Is it a bed of roses ? No. Will I lose sleep over what “might” happen to me, No. Do I want to contribute to the downturn in the economy, by running around, telling everybody how bad it is, so I can bring them down too ? No. That is your choice to make, which you have.
Do you really think this all started since Nov ? Or are you saying do people know who they voted for 4 years ago ???
big G 
Republican or Democrat or any name you give it, when one party has complete control of all three forms of goverment the checks and balance is gone for atleast two years maybe four, alot of damage can be done in that time. I think people forget that contraction of the economy is a natural ebb and flow, the finacially weak companys should be weeded out not buffered up. Seems like the precedent we are setting now is “dont worry big brother goverment will help you out” but what is the real cost here. For instance the $46,000 the goverment is “borrowing” in my familys name this year will actually cost us $60,000 to repay. Mind you that is just one year, we could be in for a budget that size for 3 years after before we get a check and balance. Like I stated a few post’s back the last president to try and spend us out of a ecenomic crisis caused years of more harm and it took a major war to pull us out of the tailspin. Historically speaking what is happening now never worked in the past yet that is the road we are following and in reality there is nothing any of us can do except talk about it. Atleast I am greatfull for that.
I totally agree bigpike Trickle up economics will work for awhile, trickle down economics will work for awhile. Nobody can seem to find the economy, that will flow like a river. There has historically been corrections in our system, since the beginning of America. This is a huge correction going on now. Is the economy stimulus the answer ? I won’t sit here and say yes or no, people smarter than me are in charge of that. What I can do though, is live my life as best I can. I still have a job, I still own a home I can afford and I have my health. I just believe, if you go around talking about how bad you have it and blame government for all your problems, then you are just as much at fault, if not more. I encourage everyone to pick up the load and help carry it. I remodeled my garage a month ago…. you know why ? Because my brother in law, who is a subcontractor, did not have any work. I could afford to do it and I did. I put him to work for 4 weeks, he could pay his mortgage and feed his family and even save some for his upcoming hunting trips. When he in turn spends, he helps the economy. A huge issue, which I have no control over, is the trade deficits we have with other countries (IE China) Instead of the $100 staying in the USA, maybe $70 of it goes overseas, maybe to return, maybe not. You cannot have a global economy with an uneven playing field (IE cheap/forced labor) Being in manufacturing prior to my current job, I know , you can get a plastic widget way cheaper from China or Japan, than you can from a USA supplier. This is something that is taking jobs away at an alarming rate, which I do not see slowing up on its own. What is the answer ? If I knew, I wouldn’t be sitting here typing this Every person who goes to washington, goes there with an agenda. As long as theirs is served, thats what matters to them and their constituents. Until we as a country can realize, we are all in this together and we can stem the greed and corruption that happens in WA and Wall Street and Main Street USA, we will weaken our economy and country at the same time. Like stated, the “Greatest Generation” WW2 gen, was created by a war that decimated most parts of the world that manufactured goods, there by making the US very strong economically. I don’t think we want to wipe out other countries to create a boom for America again, but we do need to come up with a solution. I guess what I am trying to get across, we should all be responsible for ourselves and get to work and not have to wait for a gov’t to give us a handout. I do not agree or disagree with the stimulus package, I am not an economic major, but to form an opinion, one should have some kind of knowledge of what they are saying, rather than just grab the W I D E paintbrush and call it doomsday, which alot of people are doing. This just adds to the problem, if you perceive it is evil, you will create the evil, there or not. Our country is at a crossroads, I am hoping that we as citizens, take the right way.
big G
OK. How about an analogy a little easier to understand than trickle up, trickle down, stimulus, and bailouts. We all love IDO. James can do what he wants with this site. He owns it. What if he decided tomorrow that he wants to change the site to an interior decorating website. Would I be out of line yelling and screaming “Don’t do it! Are you nuts. It won’t work!” I don’t know if it would work or not. It wouldn’t work for me. If James went ahead and did that I and I suspect most everybody else would be gone.
We would choose not to participate. Radically changing the website to something else would be a disincentive to the people who make the website what it is currently. GREAT!
You can call what I am doing “doom and gloom” and “the sky is falling”; but there is historical precedent to back up the notion that what is about to be attempted has not worked. I’m not gonna keep quiet. And a few years from now if nationalized health care, nationalized banks, command and control economy, sky high tax rates, and trillion dollar deficits are working great, I’ll gladly admit I was wrong. But I am not gonna chuck my beliefs just to go along and get along.
dd
Give a man a fish, he will eat for a day. Teach a man to fish, he will eat for a lifetime.
Give a man a bailout, and he will be back in a few months. Let a business go bankrupt and sell off their assets and you wont have to hear from them again.
Geez Dave! That’s dead on; but pretty simplistic coming from a finance guy. 
What you just said also made me think of this notion of “To big to fail.” You can’t let them fail. They’re to big. No person, company, or country is to big to fail. And how in the world can you have success if there is no chance of failure?
dd
Sounds pretty simple when you put it that way. Throw a piece of dynamite in the lake, take all the fish, then you don’t have to fish anymore. Nice. 
big G
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