Anyone know about this spill into the river?

  • bret_clark
    Sparta, WI
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    March 6, 2008 at 2:25 pm #662617

    They seem to make light of it in the report

    Not a good thing I’m sure

    david_scott
    Twin Cities
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    March 6, 2008 at 2:27 pm #662619

    I heard about it on the news last night too.. not good.

    I want the river open as much as the next guy.. but tankers full of antifreeze isnt the way to do it.

    shoot_n_release
    Mora, MN
    Posts: 756
    March 6, 2008 at 2:32 pm #662620

    It looks like the tank just split along a seam… How in the heck does that happen?

    barebackjack
    New Prague, MN.
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    March 6, 2008 at 2:48 pm #662624

    They call that a “LEAK”!?!?!!?!

    mrwalleye
    MN
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    March 6, 2008 at 2:54 pm #662627

    Why do these things always happen next to water?

    mrwalleye
    MN
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    March 6, 2008 at 2:56 pm #662628

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    They call that a “LEAK”!?!?!!?!

    Ya to them they only lost 10,000 gal of the 100,000 they shipped that day so it’s only a leak to them

    mrwalleye
    MN
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    March 6, 2008 at 2:59 pm #662629

    how many fish do you guy’s think this spill killed

    suzuki
    Woodbury, Mn
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    March 6, 2008 at 3:11 pm #662632

    I drove by it before it was known to all. I saw the broken rail car but didint know it was leaking. By the time I went home the bridge was closed (WHY!?) and I had to drive to Hudson to make it home. All I could think when seeing that train stalled across the bridge was what if it happend in the summer and a large boat couldnt return to port. Now I think about the antifreeze slick that would cross a mighty productive fishing spot.

    mplspug
    Palmetto, Florida
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    March 6, 2008 at 3:13 pm #662634

    Seems to me there is a fine due to pay back some of the resources lost.

    david_scott
    Twin Cities
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    March 6, 2008 at 3:20 pm #662639

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    how many fish do you guy’s think this spill killed

    My guess the fish kill should be at a minimum. Its obvious its very bad for the fish, but I have no doubt it would have been worse for them if the water was shallower than it is. The water is deep in that area and moving some. It was diluting as quickly as it hit the water, and the moving deeper water should keep it from concentrating in any one area for any period of time.

    If there is a kill it was likely a few fish that were sitting directly under the spill area.

    I hope my theory is right. It should be unless the fish are so sensitive to it that any exposure to minuscule amount is deadly.

    The heck of it is… you know darn well someone from that company was aware of at least a small leak. I am sure drip leaks are common on tankers, and probably not a panic unless its a flammable substance directly threatening the train, or fast enough for considerable loss over delivery time.

    mrwalleye
    MN
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    March 6, 2008 at 3:49 pm #662655

    ethylene glycol exposure in fish can cause a reduction in ability to swim. So BRINK keep an eye out for fish flopping on the surface.

    fishingdaskoal
    EauClaire WI
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    March 6, 2008 at 3:50 pm #662656

    The coldness of the water is going to slow the dilution of the anti freeze WAY down though, compared to summer water temps.

    farmboy1
    Mantorville, MN
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    March 6, 2008 at 3:51 pm #662657

    From the article:

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    According to the Agency for Toxic Substances, ethylene glycol will break down in about ten days, after it is exposed to oxygen. Ethylene glycol in water and in soil, will breakdown within several days to a few weeks. Accidental or intentional ingestion of large amounts of ethylene glycol can cause serious illness or death.

    chris-tuckner
    Hastings/Isle MN
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    March 6, 2008 at 4:26 pm #662666

    That area is very shallow. It is just prior to the big sandbar where the rivers come together. The problem I see is that with the ice…it will be hard to implement any type of containment booms like they do with oil or gas. Sounds like they are just going to let it dilute and break down.
    Here is a question for you all…How much anti freeze and windshield washer get dumped into the river every year from street run-off? How about asbestos from brake pads? Not trying to minimize this AT ALL! But this spill is probably a drop in the bucket. Albeit a lot of volume going in at one place at one time is definitely not good.

    suzuki
    Woodbury, Mn
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    March 6, 2008 at 4:35 pm #662668

    This could work out for next ice season on Pepin. It would be nice to catch some fish and not worry about them freezing solid after a day of fishing…..

    chris-tuckner
    Hastings/Isle MN
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    March 6, 2008 at 4:44 pm #662674

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    This could work out for next ice season on Pepin. It would be nice to catch some fish and not worry about them freezing solid after a day of fishing…..

    Only you…….

    timmy
    Posts: 1960
    March 6, 2008 at 4:45 pm #662675

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    …it will be hard to implement any type of containment booms like they do with oil or gas.

    I would think that containment booms would be ineffective due to the fact that this stuff is water solluable vs oil/gas -which float and don’t dissolve in water????

    Tim

    francisco4
    Holmen, WI
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    March 6, 2008 at 4:46 pm #662676

    You beat me to the punch Timmy! I totally agree.

    FDR

    chris-tuckner
    Hastings/Isle MN
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    March 6, 2008 at 4:47 pm #662677

    Agreed…Probably right on there.

    timmy
    Posts: 1960
    March 6, 2008 at 4:53 pm #662679

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    Agreed…Probably right on there.

    Dang it! My wife only let’s me be right a couple of times a year – there goes one……

    Tim

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