portable ice house licenses…

  • livetofishmn
    Mankato, Mn
    Posts: 296
    #1256433

    I was talking to a guy the other day about ice fishing and he told me that this year in minnesota you dont have to buy a license for a portable ice shack but you need to for a permanent?? and i didnt really believe him as it still says you need one in the reg book. I havent heard anythin about it anywhere else, is it true??

    chappy
    Hastings, MN
    Posts: 4854
    #618379

    Quote:


    I was talking to a guy the other day about ice fishing and he told me that this year in minnesota you dont have to buy a license for a portable ice shack but you need to for a permanent?? and i didnt really believe him as it still says you need one in the reg book. I havent heard anythin about it anywhere else, is it true??


    I believe your friend is correct.

    Bob Carlson
    Mille Lacs Lake (eastside), Mn.
    Posts: 2936
    #618381

    You will only need to have a tag on your portable if you leave it out over night!!!

    livetofishmn
    Mankato, Mn
    Posts: 296
    #618395

    really? thanks guys. how did u find out? do you still need ur name on it?

    trumar
    Rochester, Mn
    Posts: 5967
    #618386

    Bob and Chappy hit right on the head ,Only permenat shacks and any overnight stays with portable need a license now.

    fish2live
    hampton,mn
    Posts: 193
    #618417

    i thought it read over night unattended? does someone now the right answer?

    ggoody
    Mpls MN
    Posts: 2603
    #618443

    I can only assume you would still need your drivers license or DNR number.

    gobig-or-gohome
    Lake Minnetonka area
    Posts: 233
    #618572

    I thought the old regs you only needed your DNR number or drivers license number on the portable.

    ggoody
    Mpls MN
    Posts: 2603
    #618573

    Thats right!

    livetofishmn
    Mankato, Mn
    Posts: 296
    #618659

    im getting a little confused now haha…so in years passed we didnt need licenses for portables? i know that you have to have your identification on it but i thought you always needed a license too. this is from 2007 reg book…maybe im looking in the wrong place.

    Quote:


    • All shelters, which include dark houses, fish houses, and portable shelters, placed on the ice of Minnesota waters must have either the (1)complete name and address, (2)driver’s license number, or (3)the nine-digit Minnesota DNR number on the license of the owner plainly and legibly displayed on the outside in letters, and figures at least 2 inches in height. Dark houses, fish houses, and portable shelters placed on the ice for shelter while fishing must be licensed, except that a license is not required on border waters with Wisconsin, Iowa, North and South Dakota.


    big_g
    Isle, MN
    Posts: 22456
    #618667

    You have always needed to have your name & address & DL#, then they changed to just D Lic # , or dnr number. I seen it published this spring,that you do not need a shelter license for any house, that you are occupying, and that you do not leave unattended. The way I understand it, if it is noon and your portable is not occupied, for example, you ran on your ATV to the resort for lunch, it would then need a license. If you are fishing overnight in it, then you would not, because you are occupying it. I emailed the DNR for clarification. I will post their response here when I get it.

    big g

    whiskeyandwater
    ????
    Posts: 2014
    #618674

    Quote:


    I emailed the DNR for clarification. I will post their response here when I get it.

    big g


    Thanks Big g.

    I thought that with the new regulation passing and not needing a license it would take effect in the upcoming year. I figured since it was passed in ’07 it would cary through the 07-08 season, and then starting in 08-09 Then it would take affect much like the dates in which we may buy our new license.

    col._klink
    St Paul
    Posts: 2542
    #618847

    This is from the book. Look here Fishing Regs

    Shelters
    The following regulations apply to fish houses, dark houses, and portable shelters used on all Minnesota waters, unless otherwise noted elsewhere in this booklet.

    Nonresidents may obtain a license for a fish shelter. However, the
    shelter cannot remain on the ice when unattended.

    All shelters, which include dark houses, fish houses, and portable shelters, placed on the ice of Minnesota waters must have either the (1)complete name and address, (2)driver’s license number, or (3)the nine-digit Minnesota DNR number on the license of the owner plainly and legibly displayed on the outside in letters, and figures at least 2 inches in height. Dark houses, fish houses, and portable shelters placed on the ice for shelter while fishing must be licensed, except that a
    60 DNR Information: (651) 296-6157 or (888) 646-6367
    Ice Angling and Spearing
    license is not required on border waters with Wisconsin, Iowa, North
    and South Dakota.

    A tag, furnished with the license, must be attached to the exterior in a readily visible location.

    Dark houses, fish houses, and portable shelters must have a door that
    can be opened from the outside at any time when in use.

    Fish houses left on the ice overnight need to have at least 2 square
    inches of reflective material on each side of the house.

    Fish houses must comply with the identification requirements of the
    state for which the angler is licensed.

    No person may erect a dark house, fish house, or shelter within
    10 feet of an existing dark house, fish house, or shelter.

    Portable dark houses, fish houses, and shelters may be used for fishing within the Boundary Waters Canoe Area Wilderness (BWCAW), but must be removed from the ice each night. The structure must be removed from the BWCAW each time the occupant leaves the BWCAW.

    ggoody
    Mpls MN
    Posts: 2603
    #618941

    Doug Smith,star tribune says…

    Minnesota’s ice anglers won’t have to license their portable fishing shelters any more — unless they plan on leaving them on the ice overnight.

    That’s the result of a new law passed by the 2007 Legislature. Owners of about 60,000 portable shelters will be affected. Few portable shelters are left on the ice overnight.

    Ice fishing shacks left overnight, which obviously would include most of the state’s 90,000 permanent shelters, still must be licensed.

    “The Legislature decided we shouldn’t be licensing portables anymore,” said Bob Meier, assistant commissioner in charge of government relations for the Department of Natural Resources. “They wanted to give people with portable shelters a break.”

    That saves anglers with portable shelters $11.50 a year but would cost the DNR about $768,000 in lost revenue. So the Legislature increased nonresident fishing license fees to offset that loss.

    The cost of nonresident individual fishing license, now $34, will increase to $37.50 next year. The increase is expected to raise about $680,000 yearly.

    Nonresident anglers took another hit: A $2 surcharge for aquatic invasive species management also is being added to all nonresident fishing licenses.

    With the usual $1 issuing fee, that means a nonresident individual will pay $40.50 for a Minnesota fishing license. The state sells about 266,000 nonresident fishing licenses yearly.

    Minnesota residents pay a $5 invasive species surcharge every three years with their boat registration fees.

    Permanent shelters, whether with wheels or skids, still need a fish-house or dark-house license if they stay on the lake overnight.
    There is a new three-year fish house license for permanent shelters.

    Lawmakers extended the date on our fishing licenses to April 30 also.

    An angler in a dark house or fish house can fillet fish or possess fish fillets within size limits if the angler is preparing the fillet or fish for a meal. In the past, anglers could not possess fillets on lakes with special regulations because DNR officers have difficulty determining if the filleted fish were within legal limits.

    big_g
    Isle, MN
    Posts: 22456
    #618959

    Here’s what I got back from the DNR. My email and response.

    I’d say you are right. Here’s the law:
    License required. A person may not take fish from a dark house or fish
    house that is left unattended on the ice overnight unless the house is licensed and has a
    license tag attached to the exterior in a readily visible location, except as provided in this
    subdivision. The commissioner must issue a tag with a dark house or fish house license,
    marked with a number to correspond with the license and the year of issue. A dark house
    or fish house license is not required of a resident on boundary waters where the adjacent
    state does not charge a fee for the same activity.

    Suellen Rau, Supervisor
    Information Center
    MN Department of Natural Resources
    Bureau of Information & Education
    500 Lafayette Rd
    St. Paul, MN 55155-4040
    651/296-6157
    [email protected]

    >>> “Glen Ertl” <[email protected]> 10/22/2007 2:40 PM >>>
    Hopefully you can clear something up for us. I am under the understanding, you do not need a shelter license for portables anymore. In other words, those shacks not left unattended on the lake, overnight. One guy says, if you occupy it overnight, you need a license, I say only if you leave it unoccupied do you need a license. Please clear this up for us. Thanks in advance.

    Glen Ertl
    McKay’s Family Chrysler Jeep Dodge
    http://www.mckaysfamily.com

    suzuki
    Woodbury, Mn
    Posts: 18625
    #618972

    “would cost the DNR about $768,000 in lost revenue. So the Legislature increased nonresident fishing license fees to offset that loss.”

    col._klink
    St Paul
    Posts: 2542
    #618974

    Ya smooth move. Now WI N.R. lisc. will go up to $75 from $60

    chomps
    Sioux City IA
    Posts: 3974
    #618976

    Quote:


    That saves anglers with portable shelters $11.50 a year but would cost the DNR about $768,000 in lost revenue. So the Legislature increased nonresident fishing license fees to offset that loss.


    This gives me that uneasy feeling, kinda like the feeling I get when reaching for the soap in the men’s shower room

    suzuki
    Woodbury, Mn
    Posts: 18625
    #618977

    Yep. Its the scam effect. Same with snowmobiling. Pretty soon everyone will have resident only seasons like some others.

    timmy
    Posts: 1960
    #618978

    Quote:


    “would cost the DNR about $768,000 in lost revenue. So the Legislature increased nonresident fishing license fees to offset that loss.”


    Good. If Iowa gets $450 or whatever for a lottery deer license, then $37.50 for an over-the-counter fishing license that provides access to thousands of lakes for the full year sounds like a steal to me. MN has always had very cheap licenses for out of staters, but other states keep jacking prices sky-high. Fishing is one of MN’s prime resources, and I don’t see why we shouldn’t charge accordingly.

    If the both of the dakota’s get over $100 each for both small game AND waterfowl licenses, whining about a full year license to fish for under $40 seems really funny to me.

    Tim

    chomps
    Sioux City IA
    Posts: 3974
    #618988

    Good. If Iowa gets $450 or whatever for a lottery deer license


    Just because you are in the lottery, doesn’t mean you are paying. I’m ok with this increase, I’m not buying a shelter tag, so it all evens out for me, but where does it all stop? South Dakota is higher for fishing, and because of the cost of hunting, I wouldn’t consider it. There is a price where some states might out price themselves.

    whiskeyandwater
    ????
    Posts: 2014
    #618992


    Good. If Iowa gets $450 or whatever for a lottery deer license, then $37.50 for an over-the-counter fishing license that provides access to thousands of lakes for the full year sounds like a steal to me. MN has always had very cheap licenses for out of staters, but other states keep jacking prices sky-high. Fishing is one of MN’s prime resources, and I don’t see why we shouldn’t charge accordingly.

    If the both of the dakota’s get over $100 each for both small game AND waterfowl licenses, whining about a full year license to fish for under $40 seems really funny to me.

    Tim


    I fully agree

    farmboy1
    Mantorville, MN
    Posts: 3668
    #619012

    Quote:



    Good. If Iowa gets $450 or whatever for a lottery deer license, then $37.50 for an over-the-counter fishing license that provides access to thousands of lakes for the full year sounds like a steal to me. MN has always had very cheap licenses for out of staters, but other states keep jacking prices sky-high. Fishing is one of MN’s prime resources, and I don’t see why we shouldn’t charge accordingly.

    If the both of the dakota’s get over $100 each for both small game AND waterfowl licenses, whining about a full year license to fish for under $40 seems really funny to me.

    Tim


    I fully agree


    I was going to say the same thing.

    IA has big deer, MN has great fishing, seems like a fair trade to me. I have been asking for a $150 fishing license for IA residents only. I think the deer licese fees would go way down when it is reciprical.

    ggoody
    Mpls MN
    Posts: 2603
    #619025

    Quote:


    Ya smooth move. Now WI N.R. lisc. will go up to $75 from $60


    I think it’s $50 but I do understand your point it will be $75 sooner than later.

    Mudshark
    LaCrosse WI
    Posts: 2973
    #619030

    Quote:


    Here’s what I got back from the DNR. My email and response.

    I’d say you are right. Here’s the law:
    License required. A person may not take fish from a dark house or fish
    house that is left unattended on the ice overnight unless the house is licensed



    This is a little confusing…..How can a person fish from an “unattended” fish house??
    Don’t ya have to be there to “attend” ??
    How can you fish if your not there??
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    JK

    chomps
    Sioux City IA
    Posts: 3974
    #619035

    Quote:


    IA has big deer, MN has great fishing, seems like a fair trade to me. I have been asking for a $150 fishing license for IA residents only. I think the deer licese fees would go way down when it is reciprical.


    Oh boy! your saying Iowa gains just as much in revenue from MN only deer hunters as MN gains in revenue from IA only fishing revenue. Hey give me some of that stuff! What ever happened to the MN legislation having a Minnesota resident only first week of fishing?

    timmy
    Posts: 1960
    #619170

    Quote:


    Oh boy! your saying Iowa gains just as much in revenue from MN only deer hunters as MN gains in revenue from IA only fishing revenue. Hey give me some of that stuff! What ever happened to the MN legislation having a Minnesota resident only first week of fishing?


    No – I never said that. I was comparing individual costs – not total state revenue.

    What I said was if I were to go to Iowa to hunt deer, it would cost me $450. If an IA resident comes here to fish, it will cost them $37.50. We have some the best fishing offered out of any of the states – and when I hear people pizz-whining about a yearly license that is under 40 bucks(after an increase) it boggles my mind. If it were up to me, the non-res license would be WAY higher than it actually will be after the increase.

    MN’s best resource, marketing-wise, is it’s abundant lakes and fish. Other states have been jacking their prices for their best assets for a long time, and I think it is time we follow suit. Over $100 for a 10-day pheasant hunt in SD is only $10/day. LEts do the same here – sell non-res fishing licences in ten day blocks for $100 – and let people buy as many as they want……
    Tim

    show148802
    Posts: 31
    #619176

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    when I hear people pizz-whining about a yearly license that is under 40 bucks(after an increase) it boggles my mind.
    Over $100 for a 10-day pheasant hunt in SD is only $10/day. Lets do the same here – sell non-res fishing licences in ten day blocks for $100 – and let people buy as many as they want……
    Tim

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    farmboy1
    Mantorville, MN
    Posts: 3668
    #619182

    No offense intented Chomps

    It is a hard pill to swallow when the surrounding states take advantage of the resources they have with high license fees, however MN does not charge these states the same fees for our resources. Would this be a big hit to IA guys coming to MN, yes, but no worse then if I want to hunt deer in IA.

    Last year or the year before, MN charged IA bowhunters in MN the same fees, and you would think we took their birthdays. Yes it is expensive, but IMHO, the IA DNR made their bed, we should make them sleep in it. It sucks that it impacts you, but it sucks more that it impacts me.

    My $.02

    big_g
    Isle, MN
    Posts: 22456
    #619187

    I was wondering that myself…. It would be impossible to fish from an unattended fish house, IMHO.

    big g

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