Boat Financing

  • SKEREEP
    Red Wing, MN
    Posts: 82
    #1256392

    I’m wondering if anyone has any firsthand knowledge….

    I would like to buy a boat, but personally have a poor credit history. I’m now married 3 years and we’re thankful to have a good debt to income ratio with no credit issues since.

    My question is this: Since my wife and I have been married, we’ve financed a car and our house in her name because of my credit. I’m concerned that we won’t be able to do the same with a boat, since she’s probably “maxed out” in the eyes of lenders. I would like to be the primary name on the loan with her co-signing.

    Are my chances better getting financing through a dealer on a boat, or will I have just as good of chance to get financing through my bank (Wells Fargo)on a used rig? Does it make a difference? Does it make any difference if the boat is new or used?

    Of course I would like new, but there are a ton of really nice used boats out there that can save me some $.

    Any advice would be appreciated!

    Thanks.

    Scott

    Todd_NE
    Posts: 701
    #617339

    The best way is to talk to your banker about this get his or her thoughts – my opinion. This maybe doesn’t quite fit your situation but it’s an article I wrote a few years ago on the subject.

    Boat Loans from the Eyes of a Lender
    Todd Consbruck

    Shannon Chase is one of the good guys in the banking industry. He keeps anglers from going in over their head on a bad boat deal but supports those looking to improve their fishing rig. We thought it would be interesting to get the prospective of a banking professional on securing boat financing.
    “To be honest, I’ve kind of seen it all,” said Shannon. “It does strike me though that the happiest people I know getting loans are those buying a boat!”
    Shannon feels it’s important for lenders to try to meet as many needs as possible for their customers and make sure they help borrowers make good decisions. “We like our outdoorsman and support them. We think outdoor pursuits are good for families and anything that helps build stronger relationships with children and families is certainly good for our communities.”
    These are the tips Shannon shares for prospective boat buyers:

    1. Buy a boat you can comfortably afford. Most lenders agree than no more than 64% of the gross income of a person or family should be “locked up” with monthly payments. This would include mortgage or rental, vehicle, utilities, etc. In other words, a borrower should have 36% “discretionary” income even after buying a boat.
    2. Make sure you have looked around at different dealers on even the same boat. “We see wide variations on the same boat sometimes. Many times it’s explained by different motors and equipment, but other times not.”
    3. “Non-Current” boats can be a great buy, but recognize depreciation has already started and that the book value of a boat is essentially at the used boat level of that year. A prospective owner should think through how soon they will trade the boat, it doesn’t make sense to buy a non-current boat if you plan to trade right away.
    4. Make sure your boat down-payment combined with monthly payments always keeps ahead of the depreciated value of your new boat. Getting “upside down” on boat value makes it hard for you to trade again and all banks generally avoid loans like this.
    5. Make sure you know what equipment you want to add to the boat up front. It’s not a problem to include such items in a loan, but many times clients want to add larger motors, newer electronics, tarps, and other items six months down the road or just after the loan has been signed. Almost every lender requires additional fees or even additional loan or refinancing papers for these additional requests.
    6. Boaters and everyone else like to beat up their banker over interest rates, it’s reasonable to do so in a nice way. The best way to get lower rates is to have a good credit history, provide additional collateral, keep your payment years shorter, and even have a co-signer (spouse or parent) on the loan.
    7. Make sure you consider the cost of insurance and remember you are required to have insurance at least to the extent of the loan amount.
    8. Try to have some type of monthly budget laid out for you lender when you go to speak to him or her. This helps clarify your financial position, especially if you are not a current “full” customer. Simple layouts of income and expenses are very helpful.
    9. Don’t be afraid to take advantage of manufacturers lending promotions. Often they are good deals for those looking for short-term loans but not great for longer terms. Most banks will be as competitive as they can, but recognize that manufacturers use these “offers” for marketing.
    10. If you are seeking a loan on a used boat, lenders will generally question why a boat is valued the way it is, particularly if the boat is over “book” value. This is where you have to explain the value to your lender, perhaps there is a larger motor than standard or the boat comes with $4,000 in additional equipment. Lenders do understand the “book” value on a boat doesn’t always tell the whole story. Pictures of a boat and even testimony about a test drive or independent mechanical report also help prove “value”.
    11. Explore using your home equity. Many times this is the best way to finance your next fishing rig to take advantage of tax implications like deductible mortgage interest.

    As you can see, Shannon has some good advice that can help you with your next boat loan whether you use his financial institution or yours.

    Whiskerkev
    Madison
    Posts: 3835
    #617345

    Good income to debt ratio? Save up and pay cash on a used boat. You’ll get a lot more bang for your buck that way. I would also talk to your bank about getting your name on the loans you have already to reestablish your credit history.

    gary_wellman
    South Metro
    Posts: 6057
    #617347

    Hit up your “small town, local banks” for used boat loans. Since you are in Red Wing, stop in at White Rock Bank.

    Don’t be afraid to talk to Wells Fargo either.

    shayla
    Posts: 1399
    #617348

    I think the dealers might have more avenues to explore for people of your credit history. As for Wells Fargo, I was just dealing with them the other day on a boat I just purchased and they couldn’t do squat for me. Both my wife and I have outstanding credit, we have both been banking with Wells Fargo for many years, and have had loans with them in the past…all paid off well in advance of the due date. I would have thought we would get the best deal thru them, but not so. I would talk to your dealer and see what options they have for you, or contact a credit union possibly.

    ScottPugh
    Rogers / Grand Rapids
    Posts: 561
    #617355

    Quote:


    Good income to debt ratio? Save up and pay cash on a used boat.


    Can’t agree more. Wait till next fall to purchase the biat and save up cash till then. Place it in a small MM fund during that time earning 4.5% – 5%, and don’t touch it. You will be surprised at how much you save if you have a goal. Let me know if you need some small MM to hold your boat fund. I AM IN NO WAY REWARDED BY PUSHING THE MM, IT’s something I have done for 4 years now paying cash for big purchases. Wedding, Honeymoon, Baby Birth, Wife’s Jewerly in the Spring, and my Boat in the FALL.

    Bob Bowman
    MN
    Posts: 3544
    #617403

    First of all, get on those loans with the wife, you are helping to make payments, and that my friend will help reestablish your credit. As far as who is primary “vs” cosigner on the loan really makes no differance. Most places are going to look at your credit score, or the wife’s and use the one that comes in the highest to get you a rate(risk base lending), most places are lending this way, not all, but most. I would take Gary’s advice and look to a local bank or credit union. The other thing you may want to do, is have them give you a copy of your credit report, and ask what you can do to increase your overall credit performance. There are small things that can be done to help that score go up, and most good lenders should take the time to walk you through your report, and help you out. Good luck

    david_scott
    Twin Cities
    Posts: 2946
    #617413

    These guys have very good suggestions. I would go the bank routes 1st to see what happens, you might be surprised and have little hassle.

    If the bank thing isnt happening, putting some money away and having a significant down payment on a loan can make a big difference. Your chances are far greater to get a $10K secured(boat) loan with a $3500 deposit.

    bill_cadwell
    Rochester, Minnesota
    Posts: 12607
    #617437

    If your local bank won’t give you guys a loan the check with the dealer. I know that Smittys Marine in Lake City has connections to send out a loan application that goes to many different banks/credit unions and they bid for getting the loan. He does that for alot of people.
    Thanks, Bill

    catmando
    wis
    Posts: 1811
    #617502

    I know it will seem like forever, but try to save at least a third of the price. You will like the payments and years on the note a whole lot better. Have fun DK.

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