Sweet innocent puppies

Once again these cute little critters make the news.

MIDDLEBURG, Fla. — Two pit bull terriers fatally attacked their owner who had raised them since birth, authorities said Tuesday.

Tina Marie Canterbury, 42, was walking to her back yard when the 2-year-old redbone pit bull terriers attacked her, according to the Clay County Sheriff’s Office.

One of Canterbury’s sons tried to help her, but the dogs attacked him. He was not seriously injured, authorities said.

A family friend shot at the dogs to scare them away. A deputy shot one of the dogs. The other dog ran away but was found two hours later and killed, authorities said.

Clay County Sheriff Rick Beseler said he couldn’t remember such a severe dog attack since becoming sheriff three years ago.

There were no signs of dog fighting or other abuse at the Canterbury home, authorities said.

Why do people own these types of dogs? Well other than Mike Vick.

Hate to say it but my wife got one for us to have as an indoor dog so she feels safer while I am away hunting and fishing. She got it from her brother who had a litter. both of the parents act like labs and are great house dogs. The one we have may lick you to death if you are not careful. She has also shown interest in chasing and flushing the pheasants out behind my house. I think she has learned that from my cheasapeake. I may have to train her for upland birds. Wouldn’t that be a great photo. In my opinion, It all comes down to the IDIOTS who train their dogs to kill things. It is not necessarily the breed that is the problem.

Think back to the 80’s what was the most feared dog? Doberman pincher? Seems like there were alot of reports of bites back then. Haven’t heard of one lately. I think the people who enjoy having dangerous dogs have switched breeds and will continue to switch breeds over time.

I’m sure that i could train and beat a poodle into being a dangerous animal. JUST ONE GUYS OPINION.

“There were no signs of dog fighting or other abuse at the Canterbury home, authorities said.”

Poodles were bred for something completely different than pit bulls.

Look at the chest, neck and jaws of a pit bull.

So which of the two dogs would you rather see coming after you with murder in its eyes???

Agreed that training has much to do with a dog’s behavior but Pits have the instinct to snap and attack without warning, often mauling dogs or people who just walk by their house. This instinct is not as strong in most breeds and I would certainly have to just stand and laugh if a poodle came at me. The problem is the bite power of a Pit’s jaws and their ability to lock on, only dog that come close is a Rottweiler. Their is just no reason for people to own these dogs.

Pitbulls remind me of my mother-inlaw, just sitting there all nice one minute and tearing your throat out the next! I could do without either.

Hey now! My family had a poodle when I was a kid and she’d lay at the bottom of the bed at night. If you moved your feet she’d bite at you through the covers, sometimes hard enough to actually wake me from my sweet dreams! Those poodles are ferocious animals and I suggest you sleep with one eye open if you own one.

Anyway… We all know how this topic tends to end up… locked or deleted because people begin to verbally attack one another and it just goes downhill from there. So… if you all want to have a discussion about dog breeds, please keep it civil. If you want to call each other names etc., please do so via PMs or email.

Thanks all!

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Any dog can attack

Pit bulls are great dogs. They take a special kind of person to own them. They are very aggressive and impulsive at that 2-4 yr old age. Need to keep them on a short leash and you need to establish complete domination over them. Most people can’t or won’t do that and then you end up with a bad dog.

Keep one in your house and there is a better than average chance you won’t be burglarized!

-J.

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Think back to the 80’s what was the most feared dog? Doberman pincher?

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And before that it was German Shepards. What I DON’T remember is hearing about people being KILLED by dogs. Yes, a lot of breeds will bite. Especially if the owner is an idiot. But when was the last time you ever heard of a Golden Retriever jumping over a fence and killing somebody? Sorry if I offend any Pit Bull owners out there buit I don’t think you should have one in a neighborhood any more than you could have a pet Bear.

Rootski

Wade is a girl!!

Sorry, I was hoping the personal attack would get this nuked before it gets started.

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Pitbulls remind me of my mother-inlaw, just sitting there all nice one minute and tearing your throat out the next! I could do without either.

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What you mean your monster in law

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Wade is a girl!!

Sorry, I was hoping the personal attack would get this nuked before it gets started.

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Nice try Kooty, but you’ll have to do better than that. I’m just throwing it out there because this topic always goes bad, eventually. Call it proactive censorship. You know how much I enjoy censoring people and being a member of the internet police. It brings meaning and purpose to my life.

While I’m at it, I’ll give my take on the topic. We know that certain breeds are genetically predisposed to be more threatening and aggressive. However, that gene will may never be expressed if the animal is raised and maintained in the proper environment. It’s a combination of nature and nuture that creates an aggressive dog. And proper nuturing may allow members of the breed to coexist with humans peacefully. That said, there is always a greater risk with certain breeds. There is always a greater risk that their genetic heritage will supercede their learning, leaving human beings vulnerable to an attack. It’s risky. But, there are many risks we are willing to take as human beings. Is the benefit of having these dogs around worth the risk? I guess that’s a personal opinion. In the end, society will decide. I don’t have a strong opinion on it either way at this point. But I can guarantee that if one of my children were harmed by one of these dogs my conclusion would become obvious.

I dont have anything against pit bulls, or any breed of dog. I know pit’s can be one of the very best dogs out there. Much has to do with the temperment of the individual dog, and the training it recieves. Bad dog breeding might be as much to blame as bad owners/trainers.

The last thing I want to own is a 2 year old pit bull that has been the most gental dog in the world.. that suddenly gets a superiority complex when in needs to be corrected, the only thing worse would be more than one of them. Domestic dogs with a pack instinct with a bad attitude is the last thing I need in my home.

I dont have anything against 50 cal automatic weapons either.. I think they are a wonderful thing… that doesnt mean I think just anyone should be able to own one!

As naive and careless as the general public tends to be overall.. I dont think pit bulls should be able to be owned. It will stop some people/families from owning a potentially great animal, but it would stop many more with careless/wreckless habits from being able to own, and worse yet breed them.

I don’t want any caring dog owners to take offence to this, because I have been around a lot of very well behaved lovable dogs. Maybe it’s just the area or neighborhoods I have by chance been involved in thru the years on ambulance duty, but it has been my experience with these dogs in question is that many of the problem dogs have been owned by “families” that tend to fight amongst themselves or think they come across as “tougher than you” that seem to have the problems with these dogs. Granted I knew of a dashhound that would not let you in “her” truck without her owner in there too, and if he was she would come over , sit on your lap and want her belly rubbed ! Dogs are like people, they become what they are raised around. Heck look at people…two guys at the bar drinking. One when he gets drunk sings and is everybody’s friend…the other when drunk gets mean and tries to clear the bar out single-handed. We are products of our enviroment.

Lets put things into perspective:

From the dept. of justice
2005 handgun homicides = 8478
2005 blunt trauma homicides = 671

From Dr. R.H. Polsky @ dogexpert.com
2005 fatal dog bites = 29
Thats all dog breeds, not just pit bulls.

Pit bulls don’t have a tendency to snap any more than any other dog. From the ATTS (American Temperament Test Society):

Of over one thousand pitbulls tested the temperament rating was roughly 84%, with 100% being the highest. Average of all breeds(over 27000 indivual dogs evaluated)was 81%.

SCIENTIFIC evidence that Pit bulls rate above average for temperament.

ATTS

29 deathes by dog… How many were pitbull? over 50%?? How many just bites not deathes in 05? and what % was pitbull bite, over 50% again.

Born and bred to rip and shred!

I would take a look around this website. they list dog bites by other breeds. media bias. Mistaken pit bull ID in attacks. Myths about pit bulls…pretty interesting read.

My belief is a dog’s personality is based more on the environment it is raised in. Just like I feel some people shouldn’t be allowed to have kids, some people shouldn’t be allowed to own a dog.

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I’m from the frame of mind that people own certain breeds of dog for a reason. For instance, many of you hunters own labs and spaniels, you androgynous men probably own poodles and cocker spaniels. I own a beagle with sad eyes because they are chick magnets while walking down the street. But, pit bulls just seem to be owned for one reason and it isn’t because they are good with kids…it’s probably more along the lines of them being able to tear the heart out of any man that hops the fence un-invited, if you know what I mean?

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Pit bulls don’t have a tendency to snap any more than any other dog. From the ATTS (American Temperament Test Society):

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The difference that I see is that other breeds, when they ‘snap’, tend to bite and be done. Pits dont’. They seem to bite and then proceed to maul.

If you take a Black Lab, raise it in an animal rights home with no training at all, and completely ignore the breeds intended purpose……….eventually there is a very, very good chance that the dog will bring something to you in it’s mouth………generations of breeding have made this trait ingrained.

The pitbull breed was bred for fighting and protection, I believe. A great family life, gentle upbringing, and no violence can overshadow – but not completely erase – the underlying breed characteristic. It may never surface, but if it does, the results can be horrific.

There are so many other breeds that are not intentionally bred for those traits, that I can not fathom taking the chance of having one of the dangerous breeds around my son. The consequences, no matter how small the odds, are not worth the chance. If it were up to me, I’d give them all a lead pill.

Tim

The kicker is when they bite, in most cases they do not let go and there bite pressure is twice that of a German Shepherd. As most of you already know there is no such breed as a Pit Bull. Usually they are a combination of a Rottweiler and some other breed. A few months ago the Milwaukee paper ran an article that stated four Pit Bulls attacked employees at WTMJ’s radio studio in Milwaukee. In reality, they were mixed breeds, including one that was a rottweiler/beagle mix.

Finally, if you look at the environment these so-called Pit Bulls are raised in it is generally horrendous and so many of these dogs are taught to fight. Frankly, most, not all, pit bull owners should not even be allowed to own a goldfish.

To avoid offending anyone, any race, or any other person it is best I stop here, because this board has gotten a bit to sensitive to honest opinions, albeit the dog is OK, the owners not in most cases.

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The kicker is when they bite, in most cases they do not let go and there bite pressure is twice that of a German Shepherd. As most of you already know there is no such breed as a Pit Bull. Usually they are a combination of a Rottweiler and some other breed.

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I see you didn’t go to the website I posted. They did testing on the American Pit bull Terrier and the PSI of the APBT is less than a german shepherd and Rotti.

Here are some myths

These old people must be senile to be near this dog!!!

Therapy dog

I have a friend and collegue who recently put down his Pit Bull. Great Dog, would let his grandkids hang from its ears if they wanted. Great dog.

The only problem I have my dog (Viszla) is he is always fine around me. A kid comes around 95% he is alright, but once in a while, he chooses to try to show dominance to a kid. This is a problem with a dog that has never shown any aggression. What happens when a pit bull, rottweiler, or any other large dog goes to show dominance, it might not be humping the leg and might not be pretty.

My $.02 on the subject. But I am also not for any sort of regulation on the matter.

Sheeple!

A few notes to your reply and a subsequent one. When it comes to bite strength you may be right, albeit I doubt it based on other publicized info. As I raise my GSD I find so much contradictory info it drives me nuts. However, I doubt you will disagree that when Pit Bulls/Rottweilers fight a crow bar device is used to remove one from the other dog.

A subsequent poster mentioned being able to trust his dog only 95% of the time. I own a German Shepherd and agree 100% with his post. No dog can be trusted 100% of the time. My German Shepherd became defensive a few times over the past year so I sought help and an opinion from somewhat that has worked with the dogs for her entire lifetime. Her response follows and made sense.

“Chuck, you have a German Shepherd Dog raised along European Bloodlines. He is not a Lab or Retriever, who might spent time licking your face. However, he is loyal, obiendient intelligent and protective. Never again say he was aggressive, rather he was defensive and in each incident was suprised. If he was aggressive/mean, he would have attacked. Your responsibility is to never put your GSD in those situations again.”

My point is those of us that own bigger more protective dogs are responsible for the dog’s actions. My dog attends numerous fairs, dog events including the National Dock Diving Championships in Rogers, MN in a few weeks and is perfect in crowds. Nonetheless, I am learning that there are some situations I cannot put him in.

If any of you IDA folks are their just look for the guys with the “Jumpin George” t-shirts on. We are sponsored by Fleet Farm.

Again, most but not all Pit Bull owners, couldn’t take care of a goldfish.

Not sure I have ever read about a lab, collie, poodle etc…MAULING and KILLING anyone. BIG difference between Being bitten and being KILLED.

I don’t mind being called a woman, especially when its comes from such a nice transvestite as Kooty.

Wade, please understand I do not disagree with you, although some one told me the real poodles (not minature) can be a bit tough.

I have only had one Pit Bull and personally would not adopt another, but only based on my concerns and no actual experiences. The dog was great, but my daughter was only a few years of age so we returned the Pit Bull and eventually the wife.

As for dogs and how they react to kids and stuff a German Shepherd would literally die for your family. As for that breed I could go on and on from the German Shepherd blind dog leader that could count stops for this lady on the DC Metro System to the German Shepherd that held a sex offender who was trying to get to this family’s young daughters. The cops eventually showed and the darn dog still had the guy pinned against their house.

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German Shepherd that held a sex offender who was trying to get to this family’s young daughters. The cops eventually showed and the darn dog still had the guy pinned against their house.

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And if it were my dog and my Daughter….I would hope the dog was smart enough to be holding him be his Rocky Mountian Oysters

Just another post started up to set fires