Offensive

Can you football experts explain to me how you can score offensive touchdowns without any of the following…………

1) Pro quarterback

2) Pro receivers

3) Pro offensive coordinator

4) Pro head coach

5) Offensive line blocking schemes

6) Pro personel department

7) A playbook that has NO pass routes longer then 3 yards.

Short of lining up against the Gophers defense I don’t see much hope of scoring 2 offensive touchdowns in the same game.

We can start the countdown on Childress getting fired. His days are numbered. A major blowout at the hands of the cheeseheads will seal his fate.

Skol Vikings!

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A major blowout at the hands of the cheeseheads will seal his fate.

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I don’t think too many people think this game will be a blowout. The Vikes and the Pack always play each other tough regardless of their records. I would guess next weekend will be no different.

I personally enjoy watching the Vikings play .
They have made me a few $$$$ through out thier seasons.
There has to be a loser and winner when teams play one another and them losing make me a winner .
Profesional(sp) sports today is all about the all mighty $$$$ and I want my share ,so to the Vikings I say ..Thank You for the extra $$$$ you have earned me

The Vikes in the dome are ALWAYS tough and they will have something to prove.To me they always look like they are in fast motion when they play the World Champion Greenbay Packers.
I’ll take the Pack,but not by a blowout..
As an aside,did Micheal Benett get any carries for the Chiefs?

I’m amazed every week at the attitude of Viking fans with this team. This team is REBUILDING! The original post here makes the point for me, this team does not currently have an experienced QB or WR. It has a rising star in the backfield and a defense that is pretty decent. This is not a recipe for a playoff run.

I think as Viking fans we need to recognize this and let the team work through its inexperience and build for the future. Even with these statements, had Longwell’s FG last week vs. Detroit and this weeks 1) pass to Ferguson been completed or 2) the refs getting the call right on the TE-81’s TD, we are 3-0. The fact that we are 1-2 is a reflection on the fact that we are rebuilding.

Jackson needs to play and play and play regardless of the outcomes. Holcombe is not the answer or he would not have bounced from team to team and Bollinger is also not the answer. TJack is the only one with potential and we need to let him develop it on the field. I don’t care if we go 3-13 this year, the worst that could happen is that if we go 7-9 and TJack plays 6 games, Holcombe 5, Bollinger 5. What have you accomplished?

Keep in mind that these QB’s are NOT throwing to two superstar WR’s like Daunte was when he started. He is throwing to rookies, guys that can’t catch, and guys that have bounced around the league.

Another complaint I heard today is that Peterson was not used in certain situations. If this team is rebuilding, should we beat the living tar out of this guy as a rookie, or develop him for success in the future?

Please Vike fans, have some patience, understand that this is rebuilding, cheer for them, encourage them as I believe we are on the right track for the future.

Eric

Well put Cougareye!!!! I couldn’t agree more.

I can’t wait for the papers and the talking heads and of course Tommy B and the KQ morning show tomorrow.It’ll be a hoot!

My Chiefs suck this year. The fact that you got beat by them is nothing short of shameful. I’ll take the win, though, however infrequent they may be this season. We happen to be in that “we’re horrible because we’re rebuilding” phase also. Of course it has nothing to do with the fact that we have one of the best RB’s and one of the best TE’s and, um, that would be about it. By the way, we’re at San Diego next Sunday, ’nuff said.

-Mark

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Can you football experts explain to me how you can score offensive touchdowns without any of the following…………

1) Pro quarterback

2) Pro receivers

3) Pro offensive coordinator

4) Pro head coach

5) Offensive line blocking schemes

6) Pro personel department

7) A playbook that has NO pass routes longer then 3 yards.

Short of lining up against the Gophers defense I don’t see much hope of scoring 2 offensive touchdowns in the same game.

We can start the countdown on Childress getting fired. His days are numbered. A major blowout at the hands of the cheeseheads will seal his fate.

Skol Vikings!

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After watching some of the Bears/Cowboys game tonight, I can see this being said about Lovie Smith and “Da Bears” also!!

I honestly don’t see how anyone can point out any difference between the two teams! They both have long seasons ahead of them.

Seems to me the Vikes are always “re-building”. When they have a good defensive year the offense sucks, when they have a good offensive year the defense sucks, when they have a good coach…..um, well, let me know! I would take consistancy on both sides of the ball and an average team over the hopes of a great season anyday.

So how long do we need to play T. Jackson for you? What did he do in college that was so great? He was a back up to Matt Jones in college, before transfering to a small school were he put up ok numbers. Matt Jones did not even get a chance to be an NFL quarterback. What makes Jackson so special? He runs a 4.8 forty(thats slow). He has poor fundamentals, poor accuracy and zero touch on the ball. Brooks Bollinger put up great numbers at Wisconsin. Why is he not the answer? In my opinion Jackson has done NOTHING to earn a spot on an NFL roster let alone be anointed as the Vikings starting QB.

That being said, I agree that we are rebuilding and need to be patient. I say this year is a wash and a proving year for Jackson. I have a funny feeling that this might turn into a Kordel Stewart situation however. How many years was he allowed to “develope” with the Steeler’s?

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Exactly what I was going to say Slip….The last time the Vikings were a playoff threat was 8 or 9 years and three head coaches ago. I’m just can’t get behind guys like Tavaris Jackson. I think the main reason they drafted him was because they thought they could get him cheap. It’s tough being a football fan in MN.

Rootski

Being a Packer fan for my forty some years on God’s green earth I understand the pain of having a bad QB, the 70’s and 80’s were mostly prime examples, it is probably the toughest position to fill and painfull to develop. I don’t think the Vikings have much choice but to give T Jack a year to develop and show he can grow into the position then make a decide after the year is he is the man going forward. It was pretty rough the first few years Favre was developing. I remember watching games and the fans would give him a standing ovation for THROWING THE BALL AWAY.

Geez I thought the National football league went belly up!
Oh well, if you don’t carry a stick its not a sport anyway.
This is all that matters- Friday, Oct. 12th xcel energy center- Icebreaker invitational- Boston College VS. Mich.
RPI VS Gophers.
The real sports season is only a couple of weeks away .

My $.02……

Its way too early to start to panic, just sit back and allow the change to run its course. T.Jack had nothing to do with what happened yesterday. He is still basically a rookie for all purposes, and the coach is only giving him certain amounts to learn and do at this point in his development. Remember, Childress has a proven track record developing QB’s in the NFL., so allow him the chance to do his thing. I for one don’t plan on trying to draw any conclusions on T.Jack until early next season when I can compare what I see then as to what I see this season, and how much if any difference there is in his developement.

As for yesterday, what should people expect? Our starting QB was out with an injury, and we started a backup who signed with the team a week ago, and who hasn’t started a game since 2005!! (At least he has experience and has been in the NFL for a number of years. IMHO, it would have been a lot uglier if we had played Bollinger.) Our starting RB, Chester Taylor was out with an injury. While its nice to see Adrian Peterson play as well as he is, not having Taylor available certainly restricted how much of our designed offense we could use.

All in all, our defense looked pretty good. More pressure on the QB would be nice, and maybe tigten up the coverage on those quick outs they were hitting in the second half would have been nice. As for the offense, well, considering we were missing some important parts of that system, I wasn’t to upset. I realize, and hope other will too that under the circumstances, they could only hope to do so much.

Things will get better!

Tjack has no resume, that is true. IMO, if you draft a guy relatively high, give him the starting job in his second year, then they need to stick with that decision as long as it takes to determine if he has the skills to play.

IMO that cannot be done in less than 8-10 games, and with this group of WR’s, it may take longer!

Bollinger’s been passed on by other teams and was probably picked up to be a backup as he’s familiar with the offense run by a former Badger coach (Childress) and former Badger player (Bevell).

Eric

For the sake of arguement lets assume they are rebuilding.

Whose fault is it they don’t have a single starting NFL receiver.

Whose fault is it they don’t have a proven NFL quarterback. Either as a starter or backup.

Whose fault is it that we can’t block or out tackle what may be the worst team in the NFL.

Whose fault is it that we have offensive game plans that are less wide open then Eden Prairie high school.

The facts are, Vikings are selling a pro product, remember they MADE you buy preseason tickets to get regular season tickets. They are not delivering a pro product. Anybody, I repeat anybody can throw a three yard swing pass. If we are going to get beat weekly then throw the ball. You do not develope receivers by running three yard routes. What happens when you run the ball? Pound the ball and let the line hammer on guy’s for a while. You certainly don’t need Chester Taylor to do that.

Sorry for the long rembling post but I was trying to recall who all these quarterbacks are that Childress developed. Oh well, I’m sure somebody will tell me.

BTW, did Childress call the plays for those quarterbacks?

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Iso to the Vikings I say ..Thank You for the extra $$$$ you have earned me

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Vikings are 2-1 against the spread…

I want to start by saying I listened to the game on the radio, so I don’t know all the specifics, but I have played a few years myself and understand the game

This is not a QB problem, this is a coaching error. The Vikings yesterday go FLAT OUT OUTCOACHED. This is unacceptable, and would not fly in many other NFL teams. At least in GB they care for their team, and would have this clown gone by now.

The Vikings do not have an overabundeance of talent, but to get beat by the coaching staff is very sad. I hate to say it, but I don’t know if they will win more then one more game this year, bring on Oakland

The Vikings are horrible to say the least. On the field and along the sidelines. That being said, why have instant replay available, if they aren’t gonna use it anyways. Any body could see, that was a TD in the second quarter. My gawd…..

big g

Good points Brian. The play calling has been poor IMO as well.

I do most of my business in WI and when Childress was hired, many of my contacts laughed as they could not stand his play calling while he was with the Badgers.

It’s a far cry from what we got used to with Moss/Carter/Smith!!

My thoughts exactly. That would have made it 14 to 13 Vikes win if my math is right. I was watching at church on a blury projection TV but I still thought it looked like a TD to me.

I’d have to give the referee the benifit of the doubt on that one sense he had a perfect view of the catch and all we had to go on was the back side view and of cousre you couldn’t possibly overturn the call with the replay video we had to go on.

Also I’d have to disagree that the coaches are ALL of the problem the offensive talent other than AD is abysmal from the QB to the recievers I’ll go as far as to say the oofensive skilled position talent is laughable.

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Geez I thought the National football league went belly up!
Oh well, if you don’t carry a stick its not a sport anyway.
This is all that matters- Friday, Oct. 12th xcel energy center- Icebreaker invitational- Boston College VS. Mich.
RPI VS Gophers.
The real sports season is only a couple of weeks away .

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Look at the thrird quarter…after doing nothing on offense in the first half, KC comes out and walks right down the field using the pass. How many completions did they have where the receiver was all alone….because the Vikings still had 8 guys on the line. How many time s did we have them 3rd and long and they complete yet another pass for a first down? It was like watching the Gophers secondary. KC obviously made an effective adjustment at half time and the Vikings did nothing to counter it. That is poor coaching, unfortunately something Vikings fans have seen for years now.

Rootski

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Also I’d have to disagree that the coaches are ALL of the problem the offensive talent other than AD is abysmal from the QB to the recievers I’ll go as far as to say the oofensive skilled position talent is laughable.

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I will agree with that, but good coaches use their talent where it fits, not have your only player on the bench for the “game winning” drive. And the vikes had good talent in the past and couldn’t do anything with it

BUT YOUR ALL WRONG…….Ohh sorry, just have always wanted to say that

How many “perfect views” of theirs get turned over ??? I say from the replay, there is 0 chance of the ball hitting the ground through his hand and arm under it. Remember, the zebra signaled the ball hit the ground… lame call. Besides, the announcers & everyone at Hunters Point agreed too… touchdown…

big g

Rootski and Farmboy have it right. In the first quarter, the Vikings were moving the ball pretty well. Childress obviously had a good game plan, and the players were executing. One problem, KC adjusted,, and the Vikings didn’t. That’s COACHING! Different ball game in the second half…… wasn’t it?

OK OK fire Childress TODAY!!!!

I’m not calling for him to fired……..yet.

Just needs to pull his head out of his