Has anybody bought a resort?

  • chappy
    Hastings, MN
    Posts: 4854
    #1255788

    Just curious as if anyone has bought a resort.My wife and I have been talking about it for quite a while now,but what a huge step in life! Picking up roots and moving a couple hundred miles away from family!Some I’d like to move away from,but to move away from both sets of parents…..Ohhhh that’s where it would hurt!I’ve got my eye on a resort right now,but not sure if I can pull the trigger on it. Not that I don’t think I could do it,becuse I know we could.What a huge decision.

    KirtH
    Lakeville
    Posts: 4063
    #600466

    I bet the next time Dean is on vacation Briank would give you a heck of deal on a certain little place by the river only used on Sundays by little old cat fisherman

    fishahollik
    South Range, WI
    Posts: 1776
    #600474

    I have considered it, I have wanted to, and would love to, but what bank does a guy go into and ask for a 3 million dollar loan, tell them you’ll have to quit your present job to run the place and no I don’t have a co-signer.

    Seriously, I have looked at a few, but not sure how to take on a bank note that huge.

    chappy
    Hastings, MN
    Posts: 4854
    #600475

    The one I’m looking at is undera Mil,but not by much!

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #600486

    Does’t the GI Bill kick in for things like this?

    Chap…keep in mind the average life of a Resort owner in MN is like 8 years. (meaning they own the resort for 8 years before moving on)

    You have a family…and I think if you got the details worked out you and your FW would love it!

    Lord knows you have the chit chat covered.

    I can see one problem thou…RELATICS!

    chappy
    Hastings, MN
    Posts: 4854
    #600487

    “I can see one problem thou…RELATICS! “

    Especially the one that hangs out here alot!!!

    b-curtis
    Farmington, MN
    Posts: 1438
    #600509

    Quote:


    I have considered it, I have wanted to, and would love to, but what bank does a guy go into and ask for a 3 million dollar loan, tell them you’ll have to quit your present job to run the place and no I don’t have a co-signer.

    Seriously, I have looked at a few, but not sure how to take on a bank note that huge.


    As with any business venture, if you walk into a bank or other financial institution and show them a well thought out business plan on how you will make money and have a sustainable business, you can get your loan. If you walk in and say you need money to buy a resort so you can fish more, ya probably won’t get the loan. One question I have, would this be a business loan or just a straight up mortgage??

    I know a guy who bought a resort in Canada. He works road construction so in the summer he still works his regular job and his wife runs the resort during the week. He is there on weekends (lots of driving). Then in the winter when he doesn’t work his construction job, he is at the resort fixing it up. They have a plan in place for him to work a couple more years and then they will be in a position to not work the summer job and to run the resort year-round.

    It’s all in your business plan.

    big_g
    Isle, MN
    Posts: 22456
    #600514

    That was something I was interested in, years ago. Then I found out, you had to be a Plumber, Electrician, Carpenter, Small Engine Mechanic, Grounds keeper, Hotel operator, Cook, Bartender, Maid,… etc…etc…etc… Some people make it look easy. I did not think I could. Good luck in whatever endeavor you take.

    big g

    chappy
    Hastings, MN
    Posts: 4854
    #600515

    That’s pretty good advise B Curtis. I think with any business you need to have a plan. But I would think that if I walked into a bank and said “I want to buy a exsisting resort,here’s the Financials for the past 5 years” Wouldn’t you think that would be enough?

    bill_cadwell
    Rochester, Minnesota
    Posts: 12607
    #600517

    It means working 7 days a week with very long hours, very limited fishing, and I would think that resort business is probably down with the high prices of gas and could even get worse as other items get more expensive due to high oil prices. Most resorts don’t have the advertising by both word of mouth and by a fishing website like Everts has. Everts has already had their biggest business time of the year way before the lakes opener arrives while the lake resorts are hoping for a good season to yet come. Alot of resort owners are working winters elsewhere to make ends meet. Check into it VERY good as I would hate to see someone lose their shirt. I would have a chat with Dean about the hours worked to see if its really something you and your wife would be interested in. Not trying to say don’t but just becarefull Chappy as its a big step when you give up both regular paychecks and benefits to borrow that kind of money and hope business is good. Check it out good.
    Thanks, Bill

    jjsherm
    Posts: 59
    #600521

    Spouse is the key issue (along with bank/hours)-but the spouse has to be thoroughly commited to this adventure. I have seen a few crying in the back room of a lodge on a busy week-end.
    jjsherm

    Steve Plantz
    SE MN
    Posts: 12240
    #600522

    It is a 24/7 job with no time to do anything else, if you are thinking that you will get more fishing time in you can forget that you might as well sell your boat because you will not have time to use it.

    b-curtis
    Farmington, MN
    Posts: 1438
    #600526

    Quote:


    That’s pretty good advise B Curtis. I think with any business you need to have a plan. But I would think that if I walked into a bank and said “I want to buy a exsisting resort,here’s the Financials for the past 5 years” Wouldn’t you think that would be enough?


    Well I am by no means a banker or anything like that. But yes the financials from the last five years are important. That shows the historical financial state of the business. But I’m sure they want to know what your plans are to the future of that business to keep it profitable, including how the financials are going to changed based on the amount of money you need to borrow, do you need to hire additional people or are you doing everything yourself, etc.

    I wish I was in the position to make the decision, although I’m not sure I have the sack to make the decision to go for it.

    ssaall
    Posts: 109
    #600527

    I know Clemenson resort by Baudette changed hands within the last couple years. You might buzz them and get their insite.

    jboecker
    Illinois
    Posts: 88
    #600533

    I’d also be very interested to hear a current, or former, resort owners take on this. Owning a resort has always been a dream of mine as well. Seems like once you got the cabins in good working order you’d be good to go with the same type of maintenance issues needed for your house. My biggest question for that current/former resort owner would be why people seem to be selling off the cabins individually these days rather than selling the whole resort? Is it just that hard to make $$ owning a resort these days for the reasons already laid out here(gas prices & $$ concerns in general keeping people from taking vacations)? Just this year the resort my family has gone to for years near Hayward had people staying 1 and 2 nights when I don’t ever recall seeing that before during the peak vacation season. Maybe business is just that competitive/tough for resort owners these days? Maybe people want to go to water-parks and stuff like that these days rather than the good old northwoods resorts that I grew up going to? It’s sad if that’s the case.

    ScottPugh
    Rogers / Grand Rapids
    Posts: 561
    #600543

    Quote:


    That’s pretty good advise B Curtis. I think with any business you need to have a plan. But I would think that if I walked into a bank and said “I want to buy a exsisting resort,here’s the Financials for the past 5 years” Wouldn’t you think that would be enough ?


    NOT EVEN CLOSE!!!! New Owners = New Business Practices. Most the time banks want a business plan every few years from existing owners.

    kurt-turner
    Southeast MN
    Posts: 691
    #600548

    Chappy – now that the negatives of owning a resort have been thoroughly covered let’s talk about the positives. My wife and I have went down this road quite a few times but it never worked for where our kids were at in life. We’ve stayed at a few hundred of them across the country so take this for whatever it’s worth.

    – You get to be your own boss (in parallel with the wife).
    – You get to reap the benefits of hard work. Instead of having some brown noser steal your thoughts or labor.
    – A majority of your customers are coming to you to spend their hard earned money HAVING FUN! What a novel concept! Just remember that there are quite a few in today’s world that couldn’t be made happy no matter what you provide. Just get over them fast and learn from the one’s that might have sincerely had a negative event.
    – Plan, plan and plan some more to design your resort around the audience you’d like to market. For example, family resorts need a different appeal factor then the die hard fishing crowd.
    – Many MN resort owners sell when the resort is in disrepair and needs some updates. Make a solid 10 year plan to slowly renovate cabins, lodge, cleaing house, etc. and stick to it.
    – The #1 most important appeal factor? Cleanliness! No matter how old your cabins or lodge is, people desire cleanliness. Nothing worse then going to use the oven and you have to clean out the mouse droppings first…..
    – Last but not least, have FUN chasing this dream. Life is short and most people never get to chase their dreams. Have fun and see that this makes your family a tighter unit and contributes to the betterment of this great planet!

    Send a pm to a member here that goes by ‘trev.’ He’s deeply involved in helping manage his parents resort and he can give you a birds eye view. Tell him Hi from me….

    Later,
    Kurt

    kurt-turner
    Southeast MN
    Posts: 691
    #600550

    Finances? It’d be worth your while to see if the Small Business Administration has anything available.

    http://www.sba.gov/

    mbenson
    Minocqua, Wisconsin
    Posts: 3842
    #600686

    Chappy:

    I graduated from a Hospitality and Tourism program at Stout. I was lucky and got to live my dream here in Minocqua without dropping a penny. Here are some of my thoughts:

    1. Most WI resorts are being sold because of the three things in my mind: taxes, labor and less dependable revenue streams (customers). Taxes, depending on your frontage can be from $4k to $5k on the cheap side and for my property (750′ of frontage) up to $40K. Labor will take up to a 1/3 to 1/2 of your revenue stream. The biggest problem is its dependability. Can you find the right cleaning help @ $10 to $20 an hour and then will it be available and ready to work when you need them. Are there other areas that you will need labor??? Revenue Streams: Today’s traveler has changed dramatically. After the private club that I ran shut down the resort (13 cabins), I still ran the club another 6-7 years. During national conventions, demographics of the member of a private club were changing. Many of todays decisions are being made by the children of today’s family and todays successful clubs were in need of the consideration of how to cater to families. Does that translate into today’s resort visitor??? I think so. In Minocqua, a season that used to last from the beginning of the fishing season in May, certainly Memorial Day, now doesn’t get going until the third week of June at the earliest. And with children in sports or other educational extracurricular activities the season starts to wind down the third week of August, by Labor Day it becomes only a weekend business.

    As for a business plan, a couple of the guys are right, you need to develop the plan based on your operation, not the old operation. You should take the financials, both the P&L and Taxes and put them in front of a good hospitality accountant. That way you make sure that those financials are truthful in accordance with the taxes!!! Once that is done that P&L should be worked out line by line so that you understand that the profits shown are enough to cover any mortgage/commercial loan that you take, along with any improvements you might make (either from an expense side or capital side) and your personal finances.

    You will, as Mr. Plantz stated work 24/7, but I did sneak out and fish after that. I didn’t have children though. My wife was very understanding of my fishing addiction and its therapeutic value. To this day I always told people who complained about it being Monday a.m. that they should have worked the weekend and that today is just another day!!!

    The one gentlemen who outlined all the positives also made great points. They are all valuable and should be considered on their merit. Many operators do make it look easy, don’t show stress and may be losing their a$$. The worst of all of this is to not have the business force you to work three jobs to make it work.

    Any time you would like to talk, PM me and I will give you my phone number. I would be happy to look over financials provided you can get them without making an offer. I can probably dream up more info/thoughts, but need to finish some work yet.

    Mark

    fish4fish888
    Wahkon,MN
    Posts: 502
    #600718

    we moved from colorado 5 years ago and bought a small resort on mille lacs lake. i know i like it

    chappy
    Hastings, MN
    Posts: 4854
    #600754

    Well the FW said we should really look into this resort thing. My son was also excited about the prospect. He’s not much of a fisherman,but that could change,and he’s VERY good with children,so I’m thinking he could be the kids games facilitator……

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