You have got to be kidding me!!

  • the_grump
    Le Center
    Posts: 612
    #1255507

    Just got home from work and found my Outdoor News sitting on the counter. After flipping a few pages, I come to “Input group responds to tightened Mille Lacs slot” ok, I’ll give it a read.

    And then I got to,”With unprecedented pressure on the lake playing a large role in the tightened slot limit, Terry Thurmer, of Terry’s Boat Harbor, on St Albans Bay, suggested closing the public accesses or charging a fee to users.

    “Those people who come up and use the public accesses buy their bait in the cities, take our fish and go home without spending a dime here,” Thurmer said. There shouldn’t be any free accesses to the lake. The guys using the public accesses are not the guys paying real estate taxes here. You are making it really easy for them and really hard for us to make a bussiness. We need to keep the fishing prostitutes away from public access.”

    And then Aitkin county commisioner Paul Baily said, “We don’t need more free access, we have to think about the bussinesses trying to make a living, not the prostitutes from the cities,”

    These are the people who help make policy

    This “prostitute” can’t get up to Mille Lacs very often in the summer, due to work, but I promise I’ll never pay another dime, to use Terry’s ice road again.

    Let’s step back and trust facts to decide what is best for the lake, not someone with $$$ signs in his eyes

    If you can’t make a living when there is “Unprecedented pressure” on the lake maybe you should try something else!

    Thanks for listening I feel much better

    Sorry eyeslayer, looks like we were both posting at the same time, on the same story!

    yeti
    Alma, Wi
    Posts: 68
    #592253

    That terry sound like a real fool. If I see him down by the mississippi i’ll tell him to go home because he is not a local and he brought his own bait down from mill-lacs.

    All my love
    Brian

    rangerski
    North Metro
    Posts: 539
    #592256

    I am 100 percent with you on that, Our license fees to the MNDNR fund PUBLIC acceses so the fees have been paid already!! Its all about the $$ clearly to this clown , not the fishery. His fish??

    col._klink
    St Paul
    Posts: 2542
    #592275

    Holy crap what a bunch of CRAP!

    I bet he isnt even up by the time I leave the house to get to Mille Lacs before the sun gets up. So I will continue to buy my leeches and crawlers from Mikes on 8! And I will continue to support the boys around my neck of the woods.

    I bet his name will be remembered come Ice fishing season. Damn whores from the cities catching nad keeping his fish. Using the same Lisc. that is issued to everyone state for the same privileges!

    What an idiot!

    HERES YOUR SIGN MONKEY NUTS!

    bobberal
    St Cloud MN, Leech Lake
    Posts: 416
    #592281

    What a nut….I am sure that comment will be good for business…

    bill_cadwell
    Rochester, Minnesota
    Posts: 12607
    #592283

    He just lost one hec of ALOT of business from ALOT of fishermen by calling them that. Common sense tells me that the smart angler WILL buy his bait and some lures up there because they want that last minute up to date fishin report not only from this website but from the bait shop up there too along with the lures that the fish are being caught on up there right now. Yes, business may slow down right now with the tighter restrictions in place at the moment but by calling customers/anglers names like that I would think that his business may get real slow for awhile. He should of made his point of needing business in a very kind way and tried making reports on this website to attract anglers to his place instead of insulting them. People will remember what he called them for a long time and that hurts business. Hopefully he will apologize and try to make up for his bad conduct by doing what I mentioned above. It may just save his business.

    Thanks, Bill

    Steve Root
    South St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 5623
    #592291

    Unfortunately this attitude is all too common. I had a prominent state Senator from Northern Minnesota lecture me about “you city guys taking OUR deer” (and I have witnesses to that one). I’ve had the fact that I live in the Cities thrown in my face as an insult many times over the last 40 years. You learn to just walk away from such ignorance.

    As a citizen of the state of Minnesota I have the priviledge to SHARE a public resource like Mille Lacs with all the rest of you, whether you’re from Milaca, South St. Paul, Rochester, or the Falls. No one has any “right” to a lake. You can’t purchase this. Jeez we fought a revolution with the British over these kinds of things!

    Fortunately there are other businesses on the lake. Money talks.

    Rootski

    flatfish
    Rochester, MN
    Posts: 2105
    #592295

    I thought what an A_hole!!! If any are the prostitutes, it’s those holding public water hostage to the general public to make their living. You’d think he owned the lake with a remark like that. Hats off to ODN for printing that. Gives the rest of us an idea of where not to go fish the lake.

    bret_clark
    Sparta, WI
    Posts: 9362
    #592308

    Quote:


    Unfortunately this attitude is all too common. I had a prominent state Senator from Northern Minnesota lecture me about “you city guys taking OUR deer” (and I have witnesses to that one). I’ve had the fact that I live in the Cities thrown in my face as an insult many times over the last 40 years. You learn to just walk away from such ignorance.


    You said just tell them; as soon as the season opens in the city you will stay home to keep your money local Then walk away

    docfrigo
    Wisconsin
    Posts: 1564
    #592310

    Boy, he’s not going to like me, I get my bait really cheap here in Wisconsin. I will buy my gas in MN (it’s cheaper there!) but not my bait and cranks!

    stuart
    Mn.
    Posts: 3682
    #592317

    Terry’s Boat Harbor 320-692-4430 He has already got a few calls I hear

    col._klink
    St Paul
    Posts: 2542
    #592320

    Thanks for posting the number! Cant wait to give him a call.

    jiggineyes15
    Iowa
    Posts: 26
    #592341

    I cannot remember the last time I went out fishing and didn’t spend ANY money. If I’m not buying local bait I’m sure to go early and eat at a local restaurant or pick up some other things. I remember a discussion I did have at a small cafe one morning with a local (not Mille Lacs area). I was told that it was all us Iowans coming up and fishing out their lakes. I told him he must think I’m a great fisherman and I appreciated the compliment.

    Brian Hoffies
    Land of 10,000 taxes, potholes & the politically correct.
    Posts: 6843
    #592351

    I’m surprised anybody reads the Outdoor News.

    chomps
    Sioux City IA
    Posts: 3974
    #592364

    full article For all to see. Saw this in the Mille Lacs Messenger yesterday. If he and a few others think that you city folk are taking so much from his business, I’d hate to see what he thinks of us out of staters. I knew that when the restrictions were announced business would get a bit tough, now things might get a bit tougher for him. There is some good input from some IDA’ers, I know what foot they stand on.

    Chris
    Rochester, MN
    Posts: 1396
    #592366

    If it wasn’t for us whores paying our license fees he wouldn’t have a business. The fishery wouldn’t be able to attract a dirty whore….

    Buddy, you better think before you speak next time.

    Chris

    kooty
    Keymaster
    1 hour 15 mins to the Pond
    Posts: 18101
    #592371

    Quote:


    Joe Fellegy asked about the accuracy of creel surveys and whether or not the figures reflect a “B.S. factor.” (The fact perhaps not all anglers surveyed may be communicating 100 percent accurate numbers.) To which Bruesewitz answered that will always be a factor. “But when the fishing is good, the B.S. factor goes down, Bruesewitz said. “When the fishing is bad the factor goes up. We know that.”


    Does Joe hate all fisherman?? He and Terry must have breakfast together each morning. Sorry, but these guys are just a couple idiots tainting all the great resort owners and property owners around the lake. I can’t wait til I get old and get to be a butthead all the time.

    Now, check this out:

    Quote:


    Thomas suggested if his customers could keep just one fish up to 20 inches, his business would be better. “I still have to feed my family,” Thomas said.


    How do these guys remember to breath????? Cub foods is much cheaper than fishing!!

    chomps
    Sioux City IA
    Posts: 3974
    #592379

    I think he is refferring to the business feeding his family, not a 20″ walleye. I often think the “BS factor” is a big reason for the additional poundage added on to the mortality. Even if you “over estimated” your catch by two or three, it all adds up.

    311hemi
    Dayton, MN
    Posts: 742
    #592383

    wow….thanks for the #. He’ll be getting a call and non of my business. Probably goes for most people I talk with about it now.

    col._klink
    St Paul
    Posts: 2542
    #592392

    Thanks Jon been looking for something like that!

    fish4fish888
    Wahkon,MN
    Posts: 502
    #592396

    Quote:


    I thought what an A_hole!!! If any are the prostitutes, it’s those holding public water hostage to the general public to make their living. You’d think he owned the lake with a remark like that. Hats off to ODN for printing that. Gives the rest of us an idea of where not to go fish the lake.


    i very much disagree with what terry said. we moved from colorado 5 years ago and you had to pay a fee on ALL accesses. no such thing as a free pass. it sucked. but i also disagree with what you said flatfish. resort owners charging a fee are not prostitutes by holding the water “hostage” to make a living. when you pay a ramp fee you are not paying so much for putting in the water as you are for maintance to keep the ramp clean, and usable. and parking on the resorts property, and having them keep a eye out for someone wanting to break in. yes us resort owners are trying to make a living but what we do to keep our accesses going is not free either.

    jon_jordan
    St. Paul, Mn
    Posts: 10908
    #592398

    Well said fish.

    -J.

    DONOTDELETE
    Posts: 780
    #592400

    Prostitute? I do not get the analogy. I was once called a “Pork & Beaner” at a lake access on a Canadian camping trip. I asked what that meant and was told it was a derougatory term for Americans who cross the border with groceries (heavy on the pork & beans), gas, bait etc already purchased. They camp on Crown land, but spend little or no money to help the locals. OK, guilty as charged, that term made sense.
    I live close to Mille Lacs and have not heard that term used in that context before. I have heard “Citiots” a time or two.

    roosterrouster
    Inactive
    The "IGH"...
    Posts: 2092
    #592417

    I wonder what “The Griz” has to say about this. He exclusivly uses Terry’s as home base for his Mille Lacs Lake fishing guide service…
    I am DONE using Terry’s as my Road to Sherman’s flat in the winter…RR

    JackMN
    Posts: 15
    #592470

    This Terry mus be something,everything I read about is people having bad experiances,such as chasing people away from his part of the lake during the ice season if they accessed the lake from some where else and just being a crabby old man.I also noted in the Messanger The positive comments Hunters and Izatys had that is why I always stop at Hunters for access or food.
    Jack

    Sartell Eye Guy
    Sartell, MN
    Posts: 624
    #592536

    If you want to contact the other idiot in the article….

    “Some of those fish are going to die anyway,” Aitkin County Commissioner Paul Bailey said. “Would it kill the lake to let us keep one fish up to 20 inches?”

    Bailey would like the DNR to consider a moratorium on building more public access. “We don’t need more free access,” Bailey said. “We have to think about the businesses trying to make a living, not the prostitutes from the Cities.”

    PAUL BAILEY
    COUNTY COMMISSIONER – 3RD DISTRICT
    20938 280th Place, Isle, MN 56342
    320-684-2174
    [email protected]

    ggoody
    Mpls MN
    Posts: 2603
    #592952

    Here is Terry’s responce or sorta of an apology/excuse posted on another site………..

    Copy and paste.

    From Terry’s Boat Harbor, Terry Thurmer:

    After reading the article in the Mille Lacs Messenger, I now know why a lot of professional athletes, politicians, and people refuse to talk to the media.

    I will first address the newspaper article and I will then tell you about the input meetings and issues that the input members have suggested to the DNR over the years.

    I said we need to keep the fishing prostitutes away from the public access. What I meant by this is that anytime there is a super hot bite on this lake you can go to these accesses and see the same trucks and boats fishing every single day for weeks at a time. These same people also do this on other lakes and once in a while they get caught and then you read about all of the fish they got caught with in the newspaper. As far as people spending money up here the people that use the public accesses, some do, some do not. This does not make them prostitutes. Those of you that do spend money in and around the lake I can assure all of the businesses up here are thankful for your support.

    As far as closing all public accesses on the lake I never said this. The DNR at a previous input meeting had asked for ideas on how to control the amount of fish taken out of the lake. I told them that one way they do it in some of the western states is to limit the number of hours that the public access are open. This would then eliminate some of the fishing pressure, which would help reduce the number of pounds of fish being taken. Yet, it would still provide public access fishing on a daily basis.

    If this had been done this year they would have not had to reduce the slot limit. I think the majority of fishermen out there would have preferred to fish fewer hours and be able to fish all summer with the same slot.

    Charging a fee to users of the public accesses, this was not even my idea. One of the people who works at one of the newspapers who published the article called me a day before our input meeting and brought this up to me. His idea was to charge for admission to public accesses and that money should go to the state to pay for restocking of the lake.

    Input meeting and suggestions made to the DNR:

    The entire Mille Lacs Controversy, and ever changing slots began when the Treaty Bands began exercising their Treaty Rights. The DNR no longer was going to manage the lake from a Biological standpoint, but rather by pounds of fish and the lake is still managed this way today.

    The idea I brought forth to the DNR at the input meeting to end the controversy was to build a fish hatchery on Mille Lacs and raise Walleyes to the 14 to 16 inch range.

    When the treaty harvest was over whatever pounds of fish they took out could be put back into the lake. If they had more fish in the hatchery than what Mille Lacs needed, the extra fish could be put into other lakes around the state.

    The hatchery could also raise Perch, Northern Pike, or fish for forage to keep the lake population stable. Over the years, I’ve asked thousands of fisherman if they would be willing to pay extra money for a fishing license, if that money, would go towards a Mille Lacs hatchery. The answer from all of them was, Yes. The answer from the DNR was no. I then asked fellow resorter, former politician, and at that time a consultant for the Mille Lacs Band, Ron Maddox, for help on the hatchery idea.

    I told Ron that Montana had a new state of the art hatchery on the Fort Peck Reservoir and that the Federal Government had paid the entire cost for building of the hatchery. All the State had to do was pay the costs of running it. Ron checked this out and found out that this was true.

    Ron then went to the Mille Lacs Band and presented the hatchery idea to then Chief, Marge Anderson and Don Weidel the Mille Lacs Bands DNR Commissioner. To the Band’s Credit, they thought this was a good idea and were willing to discuss building the hatchery.

    I visited with Ron this summer and asked him why nothing has been done on the hatchery. He told me even though the Mille Lacs Band was open to discuss the idea, that St. Paul wanted nothing to do with it. I brought this same hatchery issue up at the last input meeting, but this never appeared in the newspaper article.

    Another idea we brought up to the DNR in the past and again at the last meeting the possibility of purchasing the fish from the Wisconsin Bands. The Wisconsin Bands talk a lot about commercial fishing. Commercial fishing means dollars.

    I suggested that they meet with the Wisconsin Bands and offer them the dollars for the fish they were allotted. This way those Bands would not have to come over here to net, which would give the state more fish for the anglers to harvest each year. The DNR promised they would do this and as of the last meeting to my knowledge, they have never even talked to the Wisconsin Bands about this subject.

    The state of Minnesota pays Two Million Dollars a year to the Leech Lake Band for no netting and yet, they will not spend ten cents on Mille Lacs to improve the lake. Again you never read this in the newspaper.

    The DNR makes a five year plan with Tribal Bands, this is the last year of the current plan. The input committee feels that if you have a five year plan that any pounds that you are under the allotment in a year, should be carried forward to future years where more pounds could be used to offset overages in years such as this year.

    The DNR plan does not work this way. This year they reduced the slot to the point that one can hardly even keep a fish. Yet, when this five year plan is over in November, we will be hundreds of thousands of pounds under the total allotted pounds for the last five years.

    The input meetings for us involved are very frustrating. The DNR does not care what we say. They have their minds made up to as what the slots and pounds are going to be before we ever get to a meeting. Because of the DNR’s reluctance to use any of the advice suggested to them by the committee, only a fraction of the people who belong to the input committee even showed up for the last two meetings.

    The members of the input group and the Business Community want stability for the lake. We are tired of ever changing slots and controversy, a hatchery would accomplish this goal for stability. We need the help of all the hunters, fishermen, and sporting groups to stand up and tell our Legislators this is enough. We want a new direction for Mille Lacs to end the controversy and if they do not want to help us then they should not be re-elected.

    Anyone who would like to talk to me about this or any other matter pertaing to lake Mille Lacs please feel free to give me a call.

    320-692-4430

    Brian Hoffies
    Land of 10,000 taxes, potholes & the politically correct.
    Posts: 6843
    #592966

    Thank you posting Terry’s response. It was very informing.

    While Terry’s original comments may have been out of context at least he explained what he was attempting to say. His point I believe was that there are some guy’s raping the lake day after day when the bite is hot. I’m pretty sure that is true. When I read his first comments I must admit they really made little sense to me. Why would anybody make statements like that? Well now it makes a little more sense to me.

    On another note, as much as we want to believe that the internet is the end all for getting the word out.It really isn’t anymore effective then any other media, just faster. On Saturday I did launch at Terry’s. My rough estimate was he launched around 35 boats between 9 am and 4 pm. I’m sure that alot more went out for the night bite. Did the article from the web make any difference to his business? I don’t know.Seemed like as many boats launched as when I was there before. I have never seen people buy alot of snacks, pop, ect. from there in the first place and I don’t know how much gas he sells either.

    While many have made their feelings felt about Terry’s comments and the way he runs his business, if what he says is true I think we should keep one eye on our DNR also.

    It seems the DNR is more concerned with avoiding controversy then with either the welfare of Mille Lacs or it’s own citizens.

    ggoody
    Mpls MN
    Posts: 2603
    #592969

    From Mr. Paul Bailey…Paul Bailey Aitkin County
    3rd District County Commissioner

    From Mr. Paul Bailey…

    What’s in a Word?

    Recently at a DNR meeting, I deeply regret putting my mouth in gear before my brain and for the ones I offended, I am deeply sorry. The word prostitute was used in the conversation before me, but I realize a public official should be more careful in the use of language. Having said that, I still believe the public accesses on Mille Lacs are a big problem to manage the lake for walleyes. There are at least ten public accesses now and the DNR just bought out two resorts to make more public accesses. These
    accesses are in direct competition to the resorts that are trying to make a living with boat launching and everything that goes with a fishing trip. They also pay Insurance, Real Estate Taxes and pay employees, who in turn have employment in our area. However, I do not think the resorts are
    “lily white” either. Tournaments on Mille Lacs kill a lot of fish, maybe they need to go as well, so now the resorts can get angry with me too! Some of the old timers say the introduction of the muskie to Mille Lacs was a big strike in demise of walleye fishing. Now the guides can be angry, but I believe a large muskie or northern is like a hog, they will eat anything that moves in front of them including the walleye.

    Getting back to managing Mille Lacs – the DNR has no easy task doing that, but suggestions from resorts, guides and responsible citizens should have more weight with their decisions. Number one, why do they allow any night fishing on Mille Lacs during the open water season? If you can’t catch enough
    fish from daylight to dark, maybe you’ll live without fish. Lower the limit so fisherman gets to keep two or three fish and limit the tournaments or eliminate them. The cold hard facts are all of the solutions to point to,“whose ox get gored”. Starting with the DNR, who like to sell fishing licenses and boating registrations, stop buying land for public access. The Ojibway Tribe who have other business that are
    affected by the lake and need to be included in decisions. The resorts who like to have the fishing regulations as liberal as possible, and the local people and metro fishermen who just would like to go fishing.

    Now that I have everyone angry, I will sign off, but I hope this triggers some constructive criticism to the paper about solutions for Mille Lacs.

    Paul Bailey
    Aitkin County
    3rd District County Commissioner

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