Networking guys

  • Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #1255019

    I have a location that’s about 800 feet away from the dsl modem…that I would like net service.

    I would really like to use wireless, but “I think” that’s not going to be practical. I’ve had a fella tell me that I would lose too much signal at 800 feet…(the speed isn’t that great in the first place).

    The 800 feet would be mostly outdoors.

    What are my options guys?

    bucky12pt
    Isle Mn
    Posts: 953
    #577780

    Get a blackberry or any kind of internet capatible phone

    kooty
    Keymaster
    1 hour 15 mins to the Pond
    Posts: 18101
    #577786

    How cheap are you trying to do this?? They make repeaters/extenders, but I have never messed with them. To be honest, 800 isn’t that far for even cheapo wireless gear if you have a clear line of sight. My neighbor is much further than that away and he has hopped on my network several times.

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #577795

    Cheap is good Kooty.

    800 feet is cable feet…it’s about 600 as the catfish fly.

    Pete Bauer
    Stillwater, MN
    Posts: 2599
    #577818

    Unfortunately, your options are very slim. First question is I guess what will you be using the internet that far away for?

    KirtH
    Lakeville
    Posts: 4063
    #577836

    Quote:


    Unfortunately, your options are very slim. First question is I guess what will you be using the internet that far away for?


    Anchored down from Everetts catfishing in the boat at night

    G_Smitty
    New Richmond, WI
    Posts: 1359
    #577841

    I have both a wired and wireless network that I set up in my house. I have two separate wireless routers and an ‘extender’. I can get decent signal out to the woods behind my house but that’s not 200 yards away. My neighbor, whose house is probably that far away, says he can see my routers in his computer but I have my network access encrypted so it can’t be hitched. Thus, a wireless signal 600 feet straight can be done with a basic wireless router but your signal strength that far away will be weak. Could you run a wired cable out to where you want a hook-up? If you have power out that far, you could run an ethernet cable out, hook another wireless router to the end and then have a good radius of coverage around that spot. On the other hand, you can manipulate the ‘field’ of coverage by using antenna of different length and pointing them in a particular location. The wireless coverage field from a router is not a perfect sphere…

    I used to work at a facility with buildings spread over 300+ acres. All our networking there was wireless – we ‘beamed’ signal from one location to another with equipment designed for just that. I don’t think they’re ‘cheap’ though!

    James Holst
    Keymaster
    SE Minnesota
    Posts: 18926
    #577878

    BK

    I checked the range of Dean’s wireless network today with my laptop. I can detect the network from as far away as cabin 3 but at that distance I’m unable to get a decent signal that allows a useable connection. The signal was useable at cabin 2.

    I think that link I sent you for cat5 was $129 / 1000 feet.

    pool13_jeff
    NW, IL
    Posts: 884
    #577881

    Brian,

    If it is 802.11b, your chances are better of accomplishing this. I would get a cheap wireless AP, bridge, or repeater, with “n” connectors. I would buy a cheap directional high-gain Yagi (14db or so) and point it at the head-end. A bridge is going to give you greater distance than the others. In the 802.11b world, 800 feet is nothing. If the bridge/AP has diversity, you could connect the yagi into one connector, and an omni in the other. Should work like a charm.

    You can also make a high-gain yagi from a Pringles can and a few other parts.

    bnihart
    Apple Valley, MN
    Posts: 26
    #577902

    Have you looked at extending your wireless access point using PoE (power over ethernet)? This would allow you to place your wireless receiver closer to the location where you want wireless access and not need local power to plug it in. You would need a wireless access point that is PoE compatible, a power injector, and cable to your access point location. Hopefully you have a reasonably sheltered area where you could put your antenna. If you plan to leave the cable laying on the ground, I would recommend using an outdoor rated Cat5 cable (although if you are only using it for internet access, Cat3 will work just fine and it is cheaper). Cat3 will limit your network connection to 10Mb but your internet service is probably 1/10th that.

    Netgear has some reasonably priced hardware for this (www.netgear.com) and they have good tech support. Call or email them with your situation and they will respond with a recommendation.

    Hunting4Walleyes
    MN
    Posts: 1552
    #577997

    Petey is right, wireless cards are great. They do have a $50 monthly payment though. The nice thing is no more modems. You can virtually surf anywhere you have cell service. You could broadcast your catfish adventures in realtime,lol. I have had it for about 6 months now and love it. I can check the weather radar while sitting out on the flats on Mille Lacs. I attached a few pictures to show you how small it is too.

    farmboy1
    Mantorville, MN
    Posts: 3668
    #577999

    BrianK, Coming to a Webcam near you

    suzuki
    Woodbury, Mn
    Posts: 18605
    #578017

    Since the maximum recommended horizontal cable length is 90 meters (295) feet the option of at least extending your WAP seems viable. In the real world you could probably get away with that lenth with high quality Cat5E or Cat6 cable. No guarantee but it will probably work. Best option is fiber. That option not as expensive as you think since converters are just over $100 per end. You only need two of those and the fiber between. Fiber runs about .50/ft That is a the best option.

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #578018

    Thanks guys…you too Farmboy!

    I do know the wireless cell is the way to go…but I’m not willing to part with $50. a month…do you realize how many bullheads that is??

    If I could get the whole resort covered with wireless for $100. or less, that would be the way to go. Otherwise…it sounds like hard wired would be the next best thing.

    Since some of the posts above are not typed out in English…was there a way to do wireless coverage for $100. posted??

    pool13_jeff
    NW, IL
    Posts: 884
    #578111

    Quote:


    Since some of the posts above are not typed out in English…


    What are you saying?

    Hey Catfish Boy, are you wanting to be mobile or just at one spot that is 800ish ft. away?

    bnihart
    Apple Valley, MN
    Posts: 26
    #578368

    Give us a little more information. What do you want to use your wireless link for? Is this going to be for a single user or multiple users? Is the user/users going to be mobile within the range of the wireless access point or stationary? Do you currently have a wireless access point?

    It might be do-able for $100 but you will need to have the access point. As I noted before, power can be an issue depending on how the network is setup. If cable is needed, I could hook you up with some at no cost in exchange for some secret fishing spots (although I don’t like anything with whiskers).

    Give us a little more info and we might be able to better help.

    carpking
    Janesville, WI.
    Posts: 859
    #578831

    Try a Linksys Wireless-G Range Expander. Set it up in the farthest area you currently get service to. I use mine at home to get service to my office. My wireless is on lower level of a tri level home, basically underground and with the wireless extender in my garage I get 3mb service in my office 300 feet away, obstructed area. Staples carries these under a hundred bucks.

    mossydan
    Cedar Rapids, Iowa
    Posts: 7727
    #578834

    Briank, i can get loads of bullheads, any chance i could pay for a nights fishing in bullheads? A couple hundred ok? I can get more if you want,,,

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #578841

    Thanks guys for all the advice…and bullhead offers. :doah

    I have a plan A and hopefully…once I find a cheap PC I’ll be set up for photo’s again. I have Mac’s at home, but I’m going looking for a used pc so I can run the LakeMaster Pro Contour mapping software.

    I really need something to do on these too windy to go fishing nights.

    Jack Naylor
    Apple Valley, MN
    Posts: 5668
    #579066

    Jeff,

    Quote:


    If it is 802.11b, your chances are better of accomplishing this. I would get a cheap wireless AP, bridge, or repeater, with “n” connectors. I would buy a cheap directional high-gain Yagi (14db or so) and point it at the head-end. A bridge is going to give you greater distance than the others. In the 802.11b world, 800 feet is nothing. If the bridge/AP has diversity, you could connect the yagi into one connector, and an omni in the other. Should work like a charm.

    You can also make a high-gain yagi from a Pringles can and a few other parts.


    I have NO IDEA what you just said, but it sounded like it would sure work…
    Jack..

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