Brand X vs. Brand Y

  • fisherman-j
    Northern MN
    Posts: 323
    #544843

    Most of the guys I know in the industry fall into one of three categories:

    “A Level” (ie Genz) – they make a living in the industry and get paid from the manufacturers to do so. They’re either national or regional influencers.

    “B level” – These are very good regional influencers and are a higher level pro-staffer. They usually get paid to attend an event/promotion as part of their contract. They’re usually given equipment for personal use and promotional use or at least a hefty discount.

    “C Level” – These are usually very good fishermen with full time non-industry jobs. They’re local influencers and do a great grass roots job. They generally get a discount on product and want to be part of the team.

    It’s the B & C guys that really get the job done for manufacturers for not a lot of compensation.

    chris-tuckner
    Hastings/Isle MN
    Posts: 12318
    #544839

    I would agree with that assertion.

    big_g
    Isle, MN
    Posts: 22546
    #544867

    So that Makes me a “D” level, not a very good fisherman, who pays too much for everything he gets !!! According to the wife…

    big g

    wade_kuehl
    Northwest Iowa
    Posts: 6167
    #544983

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    I agree, Dan. Thankfully, most of our staff and members do a pretty good job of giving detailed information rather than bashing the other brand. But, like you said, there is a small percentage who will never “get it”.


    I want to clarify my statement. For some reason I’ve rubbed a few people wrong and I don’t think my statement is being received accurately.

    What I’m saying is that I think the IDA staff does a good job of answering questions and providing information as objectively as possible. Most of them do a great job and are very professional. But there is always room for improvement.

    We also have members who are pro staffers for various companies who offer information here. Most of them also do a good job and provide quality information. However, the are also people who post in way that its obvious that their goal is not to help our members. Rather, it’s clear that they are here to promote their product, their sponsor, and sometimes their own place of business regardless of whether or not the information they’re offering is accurate or helpful to the consumer. These are the folks I’m reffering to when I say the don’t “get it”. The don’t get that they are transparent. The don’t get that the viewing public is not stupid or clueless. And those who my be staffers for these companies, or would like to be, don’t get that these companies don’t want that kind of over-the-top promoting anyway. It does them no good, and may in fact cause them some harm.

    Tuck, Scott, and others have offered some excellent comments on how this works in the industry. As Pro Staff directors, they are continuously trying to ensure that we have a staff of highly professional and qualified anglers here at IDA. They do a great job, and overall, our IDA staff does an excellent job as well. They do a lot more good than harm. And I can honestly say to our members that many of our IDA staff do this for little or nothing in return. They tend to be guys who enjoy helping others. They also tend to be guys who end up as a staffer for a product that they already used because they believed in the product or the company and it earned their praise and approval in the first place. Believe me, these guys are fishermen before they are salesmen and if the product doesn’t work for them on the water or the ice, you won’t find them using it. It’s also a lot easier to promote a product when you believe in it, and it really works!

    Again, this applies to nearly all sponsored anglers. But there is that very small group that Dan is referring to in the original post. My advice to Dan and others is to simply ignore it. Be a critical thinker. Do your homework. Don’t take any one person’s word as gospel. Gather data from multiple sources before you spend your hard-earned cash.

    But let’s also keep in mind that most of our staff, and most pro staffers in the industry do a damn good job of keeping us all informed and up-to-date on new products and fishing related information. Without our staff and our sponsors, there would be no IDA as it is today. While some of them might deserve a kick in the once in a while, most of them deserve a great big thank you from all of us for doing what they do!

    clintm
    mazeppa mn
    Posts: 177
    #545017

    I think some people are a little too quick to call a little fun rubbing. Example (Fords suck Dodge rules) posts as bashing. Some times they are, but I think alot of times people are just having a little fun and don’t think of it as bashing and aren’t really meaning to offend anyone.

    bret_clark
    Sparta, WI
    Posts: 9362
    #545023

    As a Pro Ice Fishing Staffer I hope that no one ever thinks I have bashed another product. I do not believe I have. I am fortunate enough to have used a lot of different products for ice fishing on the market and yes, I have worked my of to make the purchases as everyone else has! For me it is an honor to be selected to be on the staff.
    As most know that have fished with me, I don’t have all the best gear money can buy nor by any means is there sponsors supporting my fishing habits. I am just a dude that gets lucky while fishing often; I believe years of experience plays in the role of me being able to find a bite. I am lucky that I have an understanding wife and family that lets me spend many hours on the ice and open water chasing after fish
    A lot of the staff here on IDA are staff because they enjoy sharing there experiences on the water and that is the benefit they (and myself ) seek. Just regular dudes out fishing enjoying themselves just like everyone else that uses this site

    Just wanted to throw my 3 cents in there
    Good luck fishing dudes and dudettes!

    Bret

    GordyPowers
    Posts: 22
    #545109

    Consider the facts, MOST every company that has the best of the best products does’nt need any help promoting that fact. Case in point: Shimano OWNS a large market share of reels sold worldwide, they in return are not writing checks to fishermen. They will sponsor TV people when they show worth to them.
    It’s not hard to get deals from companies looking for help, most secondary players in the markets are willing to give you so help. Even so these companies seldom pay or even give enough products to cover a persons worth. This whole market is trained that many people will do everything for free or atleast for peanuts. The compaines are smarter than most people give them credit for and this is a “small” industry and word spreads fast.
    It all still boils down to sales and what you can offer a company. Some don’t care they just put you on a list to receice a discount, while others ask you for more in return than it is worth to say you are on a staff. In the end it is still up to each angler to pick sponsors like they would pick a roomate, you have to live with all the aspects

    Somewhere along the way people were trained that “pro” or “prostaff” ment you get all your gear for free. I could only wish!

    fisherman-j
    Northern MN
    Posts: 323
    #545222

    I agree 100%. There’s a lot of fishing TV shows struggling out there because of the shrinking of the fishing industry, guys in suits running these companies instead of fishermen and the only cost these companies can control is their marketing, advertising and promotional budgets. Non-endemic companies are vital for the success of these shows, and tournament circuits for that matter (look at FLW vs PWT).

    The most successful companies make their pro staff feel special because they’re part of “the team” and either receive a discount or free product.

    Look at a few of the boat companies out there – guys will spend a lot of money on their boat – and then drop $100 more to buy a tournament shirt to be a part of “the team.”

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