Are You a True American- or Not??

  • Jack Naylor
    Apple Valley, MN
    Posts: 5668
    #1252283

    Something good about being a True American….I feel it. I hope you do, too!
    Jack..

    You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: It never occurred to you to
    be offended by the phrase,”One nation, under God.”

    You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You’ve never protested about seeing the10
    Commandments posted in public places.

    You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You still say “Christmas”instead of
    “Winter Festival.”

    You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You bow your head when someone prays.

    You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You stand and place your hand over your
    heart when they play the National Anthem.

    You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You treat Viet Nam vets with great
    respect,and always have.

    You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You’ve never burned an American flag.

    You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You know what you believe and you
    aren’tafraid to say so, no matter who is listening.

    You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You respect your elders and expect
    yourkids to do the same.

    You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You’d give your last dollar to a friend.

    God Bless the U S A !

    shaley
    Milford IA
    Posts: 2178
    #503360

    Well said.

    eyejacker
    Hudson, Wisconsin
    Posts: 1890
    #503361

    Amen!

    bill_cadwell
    Rochester, Minnesota
    Posts: 12607
    #503368

    VERY well said Jack.
    Thanks, Bill

    pafollmer
    Brooklyn Center MN
    Posts: 181
    #503389

    WOW!!!

    very well put. Lets send this around the states and the world.

    fishahollik
    South Range, WI
    Posts: 1776
    #503390

    Quote:


    You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You know what you believe and you aren’t afraid to say so, no matter who is listening.


    Seems I may be a TRUE AMERICAN…..

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #503423

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    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #503425

    ’tis a great day to be an American…no matter what your definition is.

    2Fishy4U
    Posts: 973
    #503441

    Thanks, I will pass this along to friends of mine whose sons are in the military.

    1hawghunter
    Grand Rapids, MN
    Posts: 699
    #503448

    Proud to be a TRUE AMERICAN.

    coppertop
    Central MN
    Posts: 2853
    #503476

    We need more people to fall under that category!

    yellowdog
    Alma Wi
    Posts: 1303
    #503677

    Sorry guys I thought that a True American is someone who realized that our freedoms are for all citizens not just those you agree with.

    gjk1970
    Annandale Mn.
    Posts: 1260
    #503711

    Glad to find out I am a True American.. Thanks Jack.

    koldfront kraig
    Coon Rapids mn
    Posts: 1816
    #503764

    There are plenty of true Americans who don’t fall under your idea of who a true American is.

    Just because a person is an atheist, agnostic or (gasp) a liberal doesn’t make them any less American.

    There are plenty of people who have served this country and died for this country who don’t necessarily meet your requirements.

    A true American goes to work, supports his family, pays his taxes, abides by the laws, protests what he doesn’t agree with, rallies behind what he does and chooses to worship god OR not worship god how he sees fit.

    What makes America great is you have all those freedoms.

    jimbo1943
    Lake Crystal, MN
    Posts: 42
    #503787

    Koldfront Kraig,
    Please thank a veteran that you have these rights.

    koldfront kraig
    Coon Rapids mn
    Posts: 1816
    #503689

    What part of my statement lent you to believe that I haven’t thanked a veteran or am not grateful for their service and or sacrifice?

    yellowdog
    Alma Wi
    Posts: 1303
    #503805

    Well said Kraig !

    smsmith
    Wisconsin
    Posts: 172
    #504192

    Not sure here, but I think one of the main reasons we exist (the USA) was due to wanting to separate church and state. The church of England pretty much ran the government. Our forefathers saw the danger in that and that is why our Constitution now provides for a separation of church and state.

    farmboy1
    Mantorville, MN
    Posts: 3668
    #504219

    If you read the constitution, there is nothing in it stating separation of church and state. The bill of rights Ammendment #1(the only place religion is mentioned)actually says:

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

    This is far from separation of Church and State. The Seperation comment is somthing brewed up by the media, but it sounds good To say that the government cannot stop you from practicing religion, says nothing about religion being in public places.

    Just my $.02.

    G_Smitty
    New Richmond, WI
    Posts: 1359
    #504232

    Right on FarmBoy!!!

    As you stated, the First Amendment says the government cannot ESTABLISH a religion, it doesn’t say anything about separating religion from state… I don’t know how or when the whole concept of ‘separation’ started but I do know that the Amendment clearly states the government cannot “prohibit the free exercise” of religious beliefs. So how have we gotten to the point where we now prohibit the display of a religious symbol, beit the Cross, the Nativity, the 10 Commandments, the Torah, or the Koran or …, in public locations??? Seems like the Courts got that one WAY WRONG!!!

    smsmith
    Wisconsin
    Posts: 172
    #504239

    I’m unaware of the courts prohibiting religious displays in public locations. I have heard of them preventing those displays in public locations that are owned by the government (i.e. parks, office buildings, etc.).

    I stand corrected on the Constitution containing those words. I wonder if those of you who want a state supported religion (Christianity obviously) would be supportive if you were in the minority? Muslims have many times the number of Christians in the world population. What if this country were to become predominantly Muslim, or Hindu, or Buddhist, or atheist, or etc. etc. etc. Would that be okay then for that religion to be practiced in state owned areas?

    Good link:http://www.religioustolerance.org/scs_intr.htm

    Let me state for the record that I was raised a Methodist, got married in the Lutheran church, strongly believe that Christ was the son of God and that belief in him is the only way to Heaven. However, I also strongly believe that involving religion in politics is a huge mistake.

    I guess to me a public place is a mall, a grocery store, etc. A government building is a government building. Not playing semantics, just the way I think.

    G_Smitty
    New Richmond, WI
    Posts: 1359
    #504258

    I don’t think anyone here (certainly not me) wants a “state supported” religion. On the other hand, I for one do not want the State to do the opposite either, like prohibit expression of religion.

    As to other religions having the freedom to express their beliefs: absolutely… unless and until the First Amendment is actually amended to specifically prohibit displays of religious expression in public areas…

    Also, when did “Government Owned” become different than “Public”??? Isn’t our Government itself “Public” (with words such as “by the people” “for the people” “of the people”)?

    farmboy1
    Mantorville, MN
    Posts: 3668
    #504266

    I never asked to have a state supported religion. I was just pointing out that the Constitution, and the actual language used in it, is contrary to what most people believe.

    I am leaving this one alone from here on out.

    Brent

    warrenmn
    Minnesota
    Posts: 687
    #504311

    Libary of Congress.

    I think this ole boy had a lot to do with what your argueing is or isn’t in the constitution, so this letter should lend insight to his intent.

    Quote:


    To messers. Nehemiah Dodge, Ephraim Robbins, & Stephen S. Nelson, a committee of the Danbury Baptist association in the state of Connecticut.

    Gentlemen

    The affectionate sentiments of esteem and approbation which you are so good as to express towards me, on behalf of the Danbury Baptist association, give me the highest satisfaction. my duties dictate a faithful and zealous pursuit of the interests of my constituents, & in proportion as they are persuaded of my fidelity to those duties, the discharge of them becomes more and more pleasing.

    Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should “make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,” thus building a wall of separation between Church & State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.

    I reciprocate your kind prayers for the protection & blessing of the common father and creator of man, and tender you for yourselves & your religious association, assurances of my high respect & esteem.

    Th Jefferson

    Jan. 1. 1802.


    http://www.loc.gov/loc/lcib/9806/danpre.html

    It seems to be pretty clear to me that when he says “thus building a wall of separation between Church & State” in this letter, his intent about the wording “make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,” is clear.

    Its funny how different things are today than then, when this left wing idea of freedom from the king came about.

    “Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship,” I take it to also mean he doesn’t shove others face in his beliefs. Today its more like a pack of dogs running around marking their territories.

    Warren Parsons

    Forest Lake, MN

    Gianni
    Cedar Rapids, IA
    Posts: 2063
    #504318

    The phrase originated in a letter from (then) President Thomas Jefferson to the Baptist congregation in Danbury, Mass. The state allowed towns to levy taxes to support the marjority congregation, which meant that the Baptists were being taxed to support the congregationalist church.

    Quote:


    Gentlemen,

    The affectionate sentiments of esteem and approbation which you are so good as to express towards me, on behalf of the Danbury Baptist Association, give me the highest satisfaction. My duties dictate a faithful and zealous pursuit of the interests of my constituents, and in proportion as they are persuaded of my fidelity to those duties, the discharge of them becomes more and more pleasing.

    Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for is faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should “make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,” thus building a wall of separation between Church and State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.

    I reciprocate your kind prayers for the protection and blessing of the common Father and Creator of man, and tender you for yourselves and your religious association, assurances of my high respect and esteem.


    Of note:

    The Constitution, absent the first amendment, was drafted in 1787, twelve years after the signing of the Declaration of Independence of the American Colonies. It was ratified in 1788 and took effect among the first 9 states ratifying it.

    The BOR containing the first amendment was not ratified until 1791. At this time, many of the member states had an official religion, established in state law.

    Thomas Jefferson was the third president of the US (1801-1809).

    —–

    So… If the first amendment makes us Americans, I wonder who those people were who declared independence from Great Britain, fought the revolution, established a new federation under the Articles of Confederation, ran the country for a decade, drafted the Constitution, ratified the Constitution, created and ratified the bill of rights, yadda yadda.

    I’d like to thank those folks for their efforts, whoever they were.

    Quote:


    A true American goes to work, supports his family, pays his taxes, abides by the laws, protests what he doesn’t agree with, rallies behind what he does and chooses to worship god OR not worship god how he sees fit.


    So a true American is the same as a true Palestinian, or a true Iranian, outside of the fact that he lives in America…. That will give me something to think about for a while.

    One other note of historical interest:

    Quote:


    Not sure here, but I think one of the main reasons we exist (the USA) was due to wanting to separate church and state. The church of England pretty much ran the government. Our forefathers saw the danger in that and that is why our Constitution now provides for a separation of church and state.


    Actually, it was the other way around. The English Monarchy created the Anglican church (The Church of England) out of thin air to escape the political influence of the Vatican (and, interestingly enough, the condemnation by Church leadership of King Henry VIII’s multiple divorces & remarriages; Henry was a philanderer of the first order who makes our former president look like a devoted husband).

    With the Roman Church distracted by the theological meltdown that accompanied the reformation in Northern Europe, Henry was able to delcare the Church of England independent of Rome, and place himself as it’s head. Practices and doctrine remained very close to that of the Roman church, and Catholics can feel very at home at an Anglican mass, at least the last time I attended one.

    eyejacker
    Hudson, Wisconsin
    Posts: 1890
    #504328

    Don’t you just detest it when facts are used to support or refute an opinion?

    G_Smitty
    New Richmond, WI
    Posts: 1359
    #504348

    Gotta love history… when used properly, puts everything ‘current’ into proper perspective… thanks for the informative posts!!!

    david_scott
    Twin Cities
    Posts: 2946
    #504368

    Im not for a state appointed religeon.. but I could sure go for a state appointed language!

    Think everyone could settle on english for a change? I think its a requirement of 4 years of language study to interpit the guy on the intercom at wal mart, and the sporting goods counter.

    smsmith
    Wisconsin
    Posts: 172
    #504374

    I’ll support that one. English should be the national language. You should demonstrate the ability to read, speak, and understand it at a minimum of a 4th grade level before being granted citizenship. Pretty soon we’ll see road signs in Spanish.

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