92 KQ THIS MORNING

  • Bob Bowman
    MN
    Posts: 3544
    #1251562

    Dominic Felder had been acting strangely for weeks, perhaps because of his struggle to provide financially for his children.
    Then, on Wednesday, a 911 call about a violent domestic dispute went out to two Minneapolis police officers. A few minutes later, Felder threatened to kill his neighbor and chucked a 60-pound piece of concrete through their front window, police said.

    Officers arrived just before midnight at the house at 39th Street and Bloomington Avenue S., and with guns drawn, chased and caught Felder, who struggled and was taken kicking to the ground, said his girlfriend Tiana Wilson.

    A few seconds later, she said, she heard one pop and a pause, followed by three more pops. She knew the father of her 5-year-old daughter was dead. Throughout the incident, Wilson had been screaming at the officers that Felder was having a mental breakdown and pleaded for them not to use violence against the unarmed man, who was 5 feet 2 and 130 pounds.

    Interim Police Chief Tim Dolan carefully chose the facts he released at a news conference about the shooting Thursday afternoon, saying one of the officers’ guns allegedly became part of the struggle and seven rounds were fired. At one point in the news conference, Felder’s aunt shouted out that the Minneapolis Police Department murdered him.

    “I felt like I released quite a bit of information,” Dolan said later. “Every situation is different. This one will take some work before any conclusions can be drawn.”

    The relatives of the 27-year-old plan to hold a news conference today.

    They plan to rebut — point by point — the Police Department’s version of events. The Rev. Devin Miller, grandfather of Felder’s 8-year-old child, plans to attend.

    “Why wasn’t a crisis intervention officer sent on the call when the dispatcher was told Dominic was having mental issues? And how does he overpower two officers when he wasn’t on medication, drugs or alcohol?” Miller asked Thursday. “With police not answering questions during a whirlwind of a news conference, more suspicion is raised that foul play is at hand.”

    Dolan wouldn’t say whether it was officer Jason King or Lawrence Loonsfoot who shot Felder. Both officers, who have worked for the department since 1993 and have received Medals of Valor, were place on paid administrative leave, which is standard procedure.

    It’s not the first time the officers have been involved in shootings. In 2001, King killed Demitreus Sesler, who confronted him with a gun. King was cleared by a grand jury.

    Loonsfoot was the partner of officer Charles Storlie when Storlie shot and wounded 15-year-old Lawrence Miles Jr. in 1997.

    Sgt. John Delmonico, president of the police federation, said Wednesday’s incident went from a domestic report to a deadly-force situation very quickly and the officers didn’t have time to wait for an officer specifically trained to deal with suspects with mental health problems.

    Did anyone else catch this on KQ this morning. There was a woman that was calling the MPLS Police officer the KKK. I could not belive what I was hearing on the radio, she went on to say that this person what not violent, but the call the 911 was a domistic call, and the guy lugged a 60lb block through a neighbors window, and what also shouting threats to kill people. When a the police arived, he went for one of their guns. I am very sorry for the family of this person, losing a family member is never easy, and the officer that fired the shot is going though some tramma as well. Our officers are there to serve and protect. Calling them the KKK and making excuses does not cut the mustard for me. I was just sick after hearing all this on my drive into work This is a free country and if you don’t like it here, you have to right to leave or move somewhere else.

    Hunting4Walleyes
    MN
    Posts: 1552
    #481609

    Let me start by saying being a police officer is a very brave and noble job. My father was a St. Paul poice officer for 26 years. But, I would not be a police officer in Minneapolis to save my life. As a police officer you are forced to make split second decisions. You have to deciede if you are going home to your family or can I fight this guy off. In my opinion if someone has the strength to throw a 60# block through a window, I am not going to go one on one with this guy and get my gun taken away. Just look at crime stats, every year cops are killed by having their gun taken away. I know this first hand by seeing videos in school. Mental illness is just as bad as any drug or alcohol. They put their lives on the line every day to make this a better world for us and this is what they get in return. Very sad day.

    Besox
    Posts: 590
    #481613

    It gets completely absurb to listen to the critics of Policemen. They do a hard job and should be appreciated. It’s seems everytime something like this happens they get crucified and dragged through the mud. They are guilty until proven innocent. Is this a tradgedy for his family, yes it is. But the Cops have a job to do and one of them is to go home to their families at the end of the day. If you put them in danger you must face the consequences! Support common sense!

    puddlepounder
    Cove Bay Mille Lacs lake MN
    Posts: 1814
    #481616

    it has been a long time, if ever, since a minneapolis police officer has been convicted of wrongfully shooting somebody. i can’t waite to see the families news conference and the rebuttle point by point. iam not saying that the police are always right, but i have been on many events of this nature in minneapolis, and in most cases, what is said in print and on the tv news is not always the same as what really happened. i was on the scene of the last police officer involved shooting in june, the family was claming that CRIMINAL that was shot didn’t have a gun, well, i can tell you that there was a gun and i had to step around it while i checked to see if the CRIMINAL was alive or dead. not being there, i can’t say what happened one way or the other, i will go out on a limb and say that it will be a justified shooting………..tom fellegy

    david_scott
    Twin Cities
    Posts: 2946
    #481622

    I will wait for more news before I pass any opinion. Unfortunately, the words are usually well chosen that are released to the public, and nobody will know what really happened that day except for those involved.

    I have had many experiences with the Minneapolis police department myself.. mostly good, but some gone very bad and I know what law enforcement individuals can be capable of… and its not always the right thing, that goes for any type of enforcement individuals everywhere.

    I respect he police and their jobs. They have a tough job and I wouldnt want to have the situations where I was forced into a split second decision frequently enough.

    I have little doubt something transpired for the officers to use deadly force. Its very unfortunate for the victom and the family, but its obvious from the beginning of the story that the suspect was acting without clear thought, and everyone is capableof doing foolish things under pressure and not using common sense. Becuase an individual is unable to contain themselves in the worst of possible situations is no reason why a law enforcement individual shouldnt be able to go home at night. At the same time, anyone is capable of a mistake including law enforcement officers at a time of wrestling a suspect down.

    What doesnt add up to me is there was one shot fired, and then it was followed up with more shots shortly after. If the suspect ended up with the gun, I think they would have kept firing until the treat was neautral or eliminated. If a firearm is lost in a struggle, I cant see where the officers would have shot to wound the individual, at that time they would have been taking the suspect down to save theri own lives.

    gary_wellman
    South Metro
    Posts: 6057
    #481625

    My opinion on this is that you cannot believe one word of the public now that the “race card” has been played by the alledged criminal’s racist/prejudice family calling the police KKK.

    You will have to wait for the facts to come out.

    prieser
    Byron, MN
    Posts: 2274
    #481626

    If he truely did get a hold of one of the officers gun, and a cop got shot during the struggle, would this be a issue? I hope not. Cops have “Love – Hate Relationship” with the community. I bet this guys neighbor was very happy to see them. It does suck that this guy had to die though.

    big_g
    Isle, MN
    Posts: 22456
    #481627

    Amen to that Gary.

    big g

    Hunting4Walleyes
    MN
    Posts: 1552
    #481631

    Quote:


    What doesnt add up to me is there was one shot fired, and then it was followed up with more shots shortly after. If the suspect ended up with the gun, I think they would have kept firing until the treat was neautral or eliminated.


    Dave,
    I want to start by saying it was bad for the family to lose this individual to mental illness and ultimately to a gun shot but he is responsible for his actions. Did you ever think that the one shot could have came in the struggle. And if so I know the officers around him would never fire into the two if there was a chance to hit the officer. They might have had to wait until they seperated to safety end that mans tyrate. JUST SPECULATION! And you are right there are bad seeds in every profession. I just believe the Minneapolis police are running around like a bunch of wild west gunslingers like the family says. And you can ask any officer inner city or not what one the most dangerous calls to go to is, domestic calls. I rode along with my dad several times and he would never let me out of the car at a domestic. Things can go from good to bad in a matter of seconds, with all the emotions involved. Just my .02

    farmboy1
    Mantorville, MN
    Posts: 3668
    #481638

    I also want to start by saying I support the police, and think there job is extremely difficult. For anyone to take the life of another human being, would be gut wrenching at the least.

    For these people to jump in and say it was unjustified, police are the KKK, or any other of this BS, is completely horendous. They have no more information about what went on in that house then we do. There are three people who know, 2 officers, and a dead man.

    Normally KQRS is pretty down to earth, but I may have to listen to the replay on the web later today and see what was said.

    broncosguy
    Blaine, MN
    Posts: 2106
    #481645

    Well said hunting4walleyes. I willhave to a gree with you. My father was a mpls policeman for 27 years on the north side and actually all the precincts throughout his years on the force. I too went on many ride a longs and vouch for the domestic issues, because normally there is more then just the domestic involved. from my opinion and what I saw and heard was there is normally drugs and/or alcohol involved also. these police officers also have families to go home to at the end of the day. whenever there is a person shot you never hear praise for the officers, and there are times I am sure when a officer is shot in a struggle and the criminal is injured and they still look at the cops in a bad light. I remember many days where my dad came home with a broken nose or a shiner on his eye from some guy freaking out. I was always worried if my dad was coming home some nights. Also it is not always adults they are dealing with, it also a lot of minors that were getting back into trouble then too. Being a police officer is a very stressful job because of what is normally involved when the issues arise. they are there to protect and serve our community. In my opinion I think it would be tough to speculate that a police officer would shoot someone without reason. they have protocol that should be followed, and sure there are times it is probably not, but remember there lives are on the line. I think a lot peoples eyes would open up if they went on ride a longs with the departments. It is very easy to condem somebody when you have not seen or dealt with what they have dealt with. again this is just my opinion from what I have seen when I was growing up with a police officer as my father, who I was and still am very proud of.

    Broncs

    suzuki
    Woodbury, Mn
    Posts: 18625
    #481646

    I say dont threaten other people and you wont get shot. Foul play? Give me a break. No officer is going to shoot someone without reason. It just doesnt happen. Respect the law and other people and the police will not shoot you.

    farmboy1
    Mantorville, MN
    Posts: 3668
    #481651

    You had a couple very valid lines in your response Bronco guy, and I just wanted to add one thing as a Firefighter.

    Anytime a policeman or a FF goes to a home, it is that person worst day of their lives. There is a reason the cops are there, and it is not good. Add mental illness into the equation, and only bad things can happen.

    I look forward to seeing how this shakes out.

    Brent

    DaveB
    Inver Grove Heights MN
    Posts: 4469
    #481647

    IMO the family is just blaming the police so that they wont have to look in the mirror and realize that if they didnt call the cops on their own family, that person would still be alive.

    I would feel darn guilty if I was the one that made that call (not that they had a choice if the person was out of control, but regardless, you would still feel terrible).

    heitda
    Eau Claire, WI
    Posts: 272
    #481672

    The family is distraught over the loss of a family member. They are in denial over the facts of the situation. How can they be responsible? Well, the family is also responsible for the situation. By family/friends playing a race card, “KKK”, at such an early stage of discovery shows that they want to avoid the facts from being in the public eye.

    It’s very sad to see people not take responsibility for their actions leading up to an event. More and more it’s been blame other people.

    1hawghunter
    Grand Rapids, MN
    Posts: 699
    #481730

    Speculations before knowing all the facts leads to anger/mistrust. Until you know ALL the facts you should not comment on guilt. We were not there so we do not know what happened.

    gary_wellman
    South Metro
    Posts: 6057
    #481738

    Quote:


    Speculations before knowing all the facts leads to anger/mistrust. Until you know ALL the facts you should not comment on guilt. We were not there so we do not know what happened.


    You are correct sir!

    And I think that is where the vast majority of the anger comes from…….Because of anger/mistrust, racist/prejudice people come to the surface and starting calling others derogatory names, such as “KKK”.

    Now, white people being called KKK by black people only causes hatred and anger on both sides.

    david_scott
    Twin Cities
    Posts: 2946
    #481748

    Im not defending the victom, and I am not defending the police.

    If I was a police officer on the scene, and a suspect got in a situation taking control of a firearm… that person would have some holes in them before they could use it if it was under my power. Right or wrong, thats life or death and I want to live if at all possible.

    The facts are right now that the guy through a large rock through somebodies window.. he didnt do that becase he was happy with someone. His intent was hostile no matter what way you look at it, and a threat to cause harm to anybody. The guy was already in a bad position, and the bad mental state made it even worse for him, and anyone around the guy.

    Its an imperfect world and accidents happen. I can recall on the news not too long ago when an officer accidently discharged their sidearm on a suspect when they were on the ground motionless in cuffs. I am sure that didnt happen here, but its a good example. I was in a house in NE Minneapolis when it got raided for drugs during a bbq… In the end they learned they raided the wrong house.. allof us were left with a disorderly house ticket?? And some of us were seriously injured and all refused medical attention. Nobody resisted arrest, and many of us recieved our injuries while cuffed and face on the ground(including myself).

    Its a tough reality out there for law enforcement. They need to be tough on hard core criminals.. but sometimes lines are crossed. I never sued the police department over what had happened even though I had more than enough evidence, witnesses, hospital bills, and lawyers lined up to take the case. No sum of money would ever change the feeling I get to this day what I feel when a Minneapolis police car goes by me even today.

    In the end I wouldnt have done anybody any good including the police officers trying to tip toe in the future, and possibly getting hurt while in the line of duty.

    In the end they need to do what they have to do to keep the streets safer for us, but there is a line they need to be careful not to cross, and that line does get crossed on occasion, and accidently get crossed other times. There is some corruption in law enforcement today.. but I guarantee the public is more corrupt every day of the week.

    I hope in the current case at hand the officers were in no way in the wrong. I know the police report will read that way and so will the newspaper.

    I guess I am not blinded by the media anymore.

    Hunting4Walleyes
    MN
    Posts: 1552
    #481782

    Gary,
    You are correct. I should have never speculated. I guess with a father and many friends in law enforcement I just wanted to defend them for all the good things that they do. And trust me a shooting with a death involved will change that officers life forever too. One of my fathers friends(suburban officer) had a 16 year old kid come out of a SA after robbing it and pointed his gun right at him. He had to fire and stop him, and in the end the kid died in the hospital. My fathers friend spent countless years in therapy and blamed himself. I guess what I am trying to get at is there are many lifes turned upside down in these situations. This is just a overall bad deal, and I feel for the family. I just think Fisher Dave should go on a ride-along and see all the good they do and not remember just the bad things. I in no way agree what happened to him was right, but everyone makes mistakes. I am done with this thread and going to leave it alone now.

    gary_wellman
    South Metro
    Posts: 6057
    #481788

    Honestly;

    I put the media to blame on 90% of this mayhem. They feed on it and make “news” out of it instead of reporting the news/facts.

    Instead,

    what we hear is a little blurb of facts and a WHOLE bunch of “created news that was fed”.

    Unfortunately, everyone hears the “made up news” and gets all angry and hyper.

    I feel for the cop who pulled the trigger. What a horrible situation to be in, where it “appears” someone is trying to take your gun to kill you and your only hope of survival is to kill the person that is trying to kill you. All because you were called to help in the first place…..

    Brian Hoffies
    Land of 10,000 taxes, potholes & the politically correct.
    Posts: 6843
    #481823

    Quote:


    “Why wasn’t a crisis intervention officer sent on the call when the dispatcher was told Dominic was having mental issues? And how does he overpower two officers when he wasn’t on medication, drugs or alcohol?” Miller asked Thursday. “With police not answering questions during a whirlwind of a news conference, more suspicion is raised that foul play is at hand.”
    ___________________________________________________________

    So how do we know that no drugs or alcohol was involved? There certainly hasn’t been time for a autopsy at this point.

    Are the officers guilty? Was the victum out of control and attacked the cops? The answers at this point are purely speculation. Let the process work.

    beave
    MPLS
    Posts: 163
    #481829

    What a typical reflection of Modern America. Everyone is a victim. NO ONE is responsible for their actions .It’s always the same old song and dance: SOMEONE or SOMETHING else is at fault.(meds,mental illness,etc) If the victim had not been committing a crime,(rock thru window among other things) the police would not have even been around. And then you want to fight/resist arrest with a loaded 45 (or what ever they use)when they arrive? The cops don’t know what your jacked up on, after all, THEY WERE CALLED TO A SITUATION YOU CREATED. And, of course, after all is said and done, SOME ONE HAS TO BE TO BLAME, It can’t be the criminals fault, I mean the police were there earlier in the evening responding to the first call at that address,(Domestic) Then they’re called back again a few hours later when he throws a boulder thru a neighbors window(showing violence)and is threatening to kill people, Then he decides to take on a couple of cops with loaded guns, So no-it can’t be his fault….wait…I know…the race card!!! yea!!! the ace in the hole.. It works every time. WE CAN BLAME THIS ON RACE…
    What a CROCK OF &*(%^$*(&%#$.
    BE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR OWN ACTIONS!!!!

    david_scott
    Twin Cities
    Posts: 2946
    #481847

    beave.. thats the most I have ever seen you type

    very well said.

    col._klink
    St Paul
    Posts: 2542
    #481875

    Quote:


    What a typical reflection of Modern America. Everyone is a victim. NO ONE is responsible for their actions .It’s always the same old song and dance: SOMEONE or SOMETHING else is at fault.(meds,mental illness,etc) If the victim had not been committing a crime,(rock thru window among other things) the police would not have even been around. And then you want to fight/resist arrest with a loaded 45 (or what ever they use)when they arrive? The cops don’t know what your jacked up on, after all, THEY WERE CALLED TO A SITUATION YOU CREATED. And, of course, after all is said and done, SOME ONE HAS TO BE TO BLAME, It can’t be the criminals fault, I mean the police were there earlier in the evening responding to the first call at that address,(Domestic) Then they’re called back again a few hours later when he throws a boulder thru a neighbors window(showing violence)and is threatening to kill people, Then he decides to take on a couple of cops with loaded guns, So no-it can’t be his fault….wait…I know…the race card!!! yea!!! the ace in the hole.. It works every time. WE CAN BLAME THIS ON RACE…
    What a CROCK OF &*(%^$*(&%#$.
    BE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR OWN ACTIONS!!!!


    AMEN TO THAT!

    heitda
    Eau Claire, WI
    Posts: 272
    #482326

    Haug,

    Hmm, let’s review: Guy causes problems to where the police have to intervene; it’s not the guy’s fault nor any of his families fault? There may be other facts, but it doesn’t condone the behavior that caused the police to be called in the first place. Thus the guy/family were also to blame for the incident no matter how it ended. However, it is very sad that someone lost their life and that’s where the remaining facts need to be presented.

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