I really like the idea of a new stadium and the taxes going up. With me being 80 miles away and in Wisconsin it’s OK….just kidding. I’m actaully just sick and tired of professional sports….Here’s how I see it. How about if you don’t win your game you don’t get paid? The winner gets a pay check. Maybe these so called professionals would actually “play”???? As far as I’m concerned maybe all the money that gets paid to them go towards helping the fuel problem? Just my thoughts.
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April 19, 2006 at 2:53 pm #439478
That article this morning made me sick also. Nick Coleman is about the worst leftside biased writer I’ve ever read.
Also, you are right. Just like the North Star/Wild deal, would you rather pay half as much now or twice as much later when we decide we want another baseball team in town.
April 19, 2006 at 2:57 pm #439480Anyone want to get to a St. Paul Saints game, real food, real beer, really fun
I my opionin the best value sports game in the cities
RonjldiiPosts: 2294April 19, 2006 at 3:15 pm #439489That would be a great idea for an IDA GTG this summer some time. Something non-fishing related that we could include our wives or kids in also. Maybe we could organize a tailgate party before of after the game!
April 19, 2006 at 3:16 pm #439490I’ve been involved in local politics (township stuff) for just a short time, but what I’ve already learned is that you get very few people who TRULY participate in this process to let leaders know exactly what they should do. You usually get people who are on the extreme opposite sides of an issue. I know this will raise some eyebrows, but sometimes its necessary to allow our elected officials to make the best decisions, trusting them to study the issues carefully, and not be swayed by the often under informed public reacting to current popular beliefs.
April 19, 2006 at 3:43 pm #439496Nick Coleman is the biggest a-hole I know. I know my mom said I should never hate anyone, but I hate him. We had a discussion over email where he said if I called him “pal” as I did in my email, he inferred there would be fisticuffs. The guy is about as left as you can go and he would honestly be happier living in old communist Russia. I am not using hyperbole, it is true.
Another thing, the guy flat out lies and uses only information that he finds useful to feed his delusions of grandeur.
I’ll give you that it is bs that sports team stadiums are funded publicly for the most part. Unfortunately, that is the market. Close you eyes and imagine no Twins, no Vikes, no Timberwolves and no Wild. If you are honest, you feel like we have gone from a top US city to a vast tundra. We will no longer be attractive to corporations looking to set up corporate offices in the state. You might as well make the TV news, news and weather only. When you’re out in the boat, you’ll ask your buddy, how about those Brewers, or worse, how about those Packers. These are small and seemingly trivial examples, but they do add to the quality of life here. I could come up with enough like them that all of a sudden it isn’t trivial. Suddenly for a lot of us you would realize how much a part of our life pro franchises are.
I do also agree that the taxes should expire the moment they pay off what they were intended to. That should be cemented into any bill.
I’d lastly like to point out that at least Ziggy is putting up big money and investing in the area. I know, “Well of course he is, but he’ll make 10Xs that”. To that I say, great, we all win. At least he is investing in the state and the economic impact will benefit a great number of people, not just Ziggy. There is also no guarantee that he will make money. He is taking a risk. Heck, he’s probably already contributed money to our state economy by hiring consultants and surveyers to see if the whole project is viable.
I think stadiums and sports teams add to the value of life, quality of life, economy and are over all positive additions to the community. I think they are valuable investments. Look at what the Xcel Energy Center has done.
I’d be all for a vote normally. My fear is they get shot down and the teams leave eventually. Now with only the Wild and Wolves in town, you know probably enough people would be clamoring to the other side of building a stadium and getting those sports back that there will be a concerted effort. At that point the vote for a stadium at any cost would win because people will just want the sports back. At that point it costs us more and we have to start out with a new faceless identity like the Wild. The problem is with a vote, not enough people know all of the impact or how much more it will cost when they change their mind in the future. People vote now with their emotions with no foresight. That’s why we have a representative government. They can weigh all the factors. We just weigh taxes, greedy owners and over-paid athletes.
April 19, 2006 at 3:45 pm #439498Quote:
I’ve been involved in local politics (township stuff) for just a short time, but what I’ve already learned is that you get very few people who TRULY participate in this process to let leaders know exactly what they should do. You usually get people who are on the extreme opposite sides of an issue. I know this will raise some eyebrows, but sometimes its necessary to allow our elected officials to make the best decisions, trusting them to study the issues carefully, and not be swayed by the often under informed public reacting to current popular beliefs.
Yep, you make a good point.April 19, 2006 at 3:54 pm #439502Quote:
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I mean get real, do we want to become Iowa, and not have anything to do in our state
Are you asking me???
I value all opinions, Just not yours
April 19, 2006 at 4:02 pm #439504Jon,
I hope this article was on the opinions page, because there is no way in He@# that it could have run as a news article.
Talk about propoganda(sp).But the truth is the same it has always been. 10% of the people control the other 90%. It is all about who is active with the legislators, and who lets it go. If you have an opinion on either side, become active and let the legislators know how you feel. Democracy at work
And notice I did not say Democrats at work!
April 19, 2006 at 4:44 pm #439520Quote:
I’ve been involved in local politics (township stuff) for just a short time, but what I’ve already learned is that you get very few people who TRULY participate in this process to let leaders know exactly what they should do. You usually get people who are on the extreme opposite sides of an issue. I know this will raise some eyebrows, but sometimes its necessary to allow our elected officials to make the best decisions, trusting them to study the issues carefully, and not be swayed by the often under informed public reacting to current popular beliefs.
You are 100% correct on that one, and that is why there will be no referendum. If there was, 90% of the people that even vote would be old grumpies and blue-hairs that are opposed and have nothing else better to do than [censored].
April 19, 2006 at 4:46 pm #439523
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We just weigh taxes, greedy owners and over-paid athletes.
Jez, isn’t that enough!?
ps Thanks Farmboy!
2Fishy4UPosts: 973April 19, 2006 at 5:02 pm #439531Ironically old grumpies and blue-hairs probably rely on the Twins more then most of us. Lasy year, when one of the Winona, MN. cable channels decided not to carry the Twins, they lost a great deal of business to a competing channel who picked the games up.
My 89 year old father faithfully watches every televised Twins game along with his few surviving friends. And I am sure he would be quite willing to pay more then the mimimal tax being proposed if he had that option. Finally, unlike my Brewers, the Twins have been competitive and fun to watch for years.
Someone early on in this posting mentioned having a check off box on personal tax returns for those willing to donate toward a new stadium. On the Wisconsin Return there are two boxes, one for donating extra $$$ to the DNR and the second for donating to the Packers. Regarding the DNR, they have been able to stock both the Milwaukee and Wolf Rivers with Sturgeon, once native to those rivers. Hopefully, the voluntary tax contributions helped.
Regarding the 1/2% tax levied on Kenosha, Milwaukee and Ozaukee counties to support the Brewers, initially I was strongly opposed. In hindsight, the last thing Milwaukee needs is to lose its Major League Baseball team.
And the last thing the Twin Cities needs is to lose another pro-franchise.
April 19, 2006 at 5:06 pm #439532
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You are 100% correct on that one, and that is why there will be no referendum. If there was, 90% of the people that even vote would be old grumpies and blue-hairs that are opposed and have nothing else better to do
I’ll be interested in seeing how they get around the law that requires voter approval for a tax increase…..
-J.
April 19, 2006 at 5:11 pm #439533What I don’t understand is why do we need to raise taxes, the tax increase from building the Dome and Target Center should just be transfered to cover this. If memory serves me they never took them away when the notes were paid up???
April 19, 2006 at 5:21 pm #439537I think we should just settle this with a good old fashioned fishing tournament. And a beer or two.
April 19, 2006 at 5:24 pm #439539Quote:
Jez, isn’t that enough!?
What about the other things that should be weighed? Like that 45lb flathead I caught the other day. Oh wait, that was last night…in my sleep.And yes I do like being a pain in the rear with double posts!
heimdawgPosts: 156April 19, 2006 at 5:47 pm #439550For those of you who could care less if the Twins stay or go, try visiting a retirement community during a Twins game. It’s what they look forward to. For some, it’s what gets them through another day. And it doesn’t have to be a retirement home.
Here’s one fact. If the state chips in, Pohlad will be a billionaire and we’ll have a baseball team and a great venue to watch it.
If the state doesn’t chip in, Pohlad will be a billionaire.
Personally I like the first scenario. And to assume that if the state doesn’t chip in for the stadium that the legislatures will put more money towards education, crime, etc, well, you’re delusional. Nobody in this forum will have 1 cent less or more in their pocket if this bill passes or doesn’t pass.
If it affects you financially one way or another then great, voice an opinion. But if you don’t want a stadium because a billionaire will be more of a billionaire, then get a life.ps Jon, I just responded to your post, it’s not directed at you.
April 19, 2006 at 5:51 pm #439552That is what they are trying to pass, a bill that will allow that.
The way I look at it, there is no need to put it to a referendum. Did they start a referendum when they wanted to raise taxes to cover other public programs, welfare, etc?
I sure don’t give a hoot about those programs and would vote them down in a second if it were up to me, but was I asked? Heck no.April 19, 2006 at 5:53 pm #439553Sorry, didn’t mean to strike a nerve. Actually my grandparents have been Twins fans for as long as I can remember and it would break their hearts if they were to leave.
April 19, 2006 at 6:00 pm #439557I believe a public tax/fee is plain wrong for any entertainment use. And yes, in my view sports is just another entertainment.
For those of you who love sports entertainment, you can pay whatever you think it is worth to see a sports game on TV or in person. But just don’t make those of us who could care less about your particular entertainment selection pay extra so you can be entertained. I am not asking you to pay for what I like to be entertainment with, and you should not ask others to pay for your entertainment.
Dave Gulczinski
heimdawgPosts: 156April 19, 2006 at 6:19 pm #439567Quote:
But just don’t make those of us who could care less about your particular entertainment selection pay extra so you can be entertained.
How would you be paying extra? You wouldn’t notice dime one missing from your pocket if this passes. The bottom line is people don’t want to see a rich man get richer. And it has nothing to do with sports or fans of sports or entertainment. If the state owned the Twins, people could care less on a tax like that. The bottom line is, they’ll spend your tax money on a million other things that have nothing to do with you or a majority of us.April 19, 2006 at 7:40 pm #439602
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But if you don’t want a stadium because a billionaire will be more of a billionaire, then get a life.
For me..it’s not about that…I just don’t like sports or golfing…is that a sport?
DaveB hit a home run…charge the users…I’m not a user…
PS…remember when they started the MN sales tax? 3% and was only for a year…when the year was up…it went up to 4% and on and on…
Now, if I can..I buy in WI and save 2.5%.
PS the folks in the retirement homes can listen to the Twins out of LA too.
jldiiPosts: 2294April 19, 2006 at 7:46 pm #439604I think one point needs to be made here. While the stadium is being built for the Twins to play in, that doesn’t mean that they are the only ones who will use the facility. It is being designed as a baseball stadium, but the Gophers would probably play there just as they have at the dome. State baseball tournaments would probably be played there as well, be they High School, AAU, Babe Ruth, or any other level of baseball that plays in this state. Imagine a snowcross event there in the winter, or an outdoor concert venue in the summer!
Yes, the stadium is said to be built for the Twins, but it will be used for many other reasons than just the Twins.
GEMEYEGUYPosts: 151April 19, 2006 at 8:07 pm #439611Quote:
How would you be paying extra? You wouldn’t notice dime one missing from your pocket if this passes.
So which is it;
I won’t be paying more
or
I just won’t notice that I’m paying more
2Fishy4UPosts: 973April 19, 2006 at 9:36 pm #439633Darn lucky you don’t live in Wisconsin — check out our property tax rates.
P.S. Time permitting this year I want some mudcat tips from you; not just a brush off like read the books.
shaylaPosts: 1399April 19, 2006 at 10:11 pm #439637Quote:
I know a new stadium is coming…there’s too many sports fans out there.
Then let the “Sports Fans” pay for the stadium.
heimdawgPosts: 156April 20, 2006 at 12:44 am #439664Quote:
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How would you be paying extra? You wouldn’t notice dime one missing from your pocket if this passes.
So which is it;
I won’t be paying more
or
I just won’t notice that I’m paying more
You won’t notice it. And if you don’t notice it, does it really matter? Again, all this comes down to Pohlad making more money. It’s a childish jealousy. The greedy old man will make a few more bucks. La dee da. If they jacked up a sales tax to improve public landings this forum would be jazzed. It’s all relative.
April 20, 2006 at 1:27 am #439673Nick Coleman.
Dad was Senate Majority Leader, Nick Coleman Sr.
Brother of Chris Coleman, Mayor of St. Paul.
Politics runs in the family.April 20, 2006 at 2:00 am #439683You mean this is a political thread and I haven’t got into trouble yet……me I think I am getting soft.
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