Bear Facts & Fish Tales lastnight on KSTP 1500

  • shayla
    Posts: 1399
    #1249715

    Did anyone catch the show last night on KSTP 1500? There was a caller on there, I think his name was John, that was absolutely irate at Mark Fisher and Larry Bollig because they would not mention the name of the website that largely reports river fishing and the use of Ring Worms. Anyhow, I only caught bits and pieces and am curious as to what he was so upset about, and he was very upset! Did anyone catch it that could fill me in for curiosity sake??? Thanks!

    jldii
    Posts: 2294
    #437317

    I didn’t hear the show last night, but I got a phone call this morning from a good friend that did listen to it. Seems that Fisher and Bolig where very upset with some people here, namely Steve DeZurik, for telling everything about fishing pool 2 and the fact he was tied directly to IDA. Seems they think he/IDA are giving way to much info out to the public about how and where to fish the river and it’s starting to hurt their fishing on P2.

    Maybe someone here heard the show and can be more specific.

    gary_wellman
    South Metro
    Posts: 6057
    #437320

    I listened to the show last night.

    What the “word is”, is that last week, they were ridiculing the fishing reports on P2 and the website that sells Ringworms. They would not give the reporters name and they would not state the website that was promoting the ringworms.

    Their claim was that the reporting was hurting P2 and that you could go the the “website” and get GPS coordinates or find the “Hot Wingdam” and catch fish. They “claimed” that you could go to the website and find out that the fish are biting on the 4th wingdam north of the 494 bridge.

    “Apparently” it became a bash session for a bit of time at how the reporting on P2 and putting it on fishing websites, and talking about ringworms, is hurting the fishery on P2.

    Yesterday, the caller challenged them on their statements from the previous week and they denied it and turned it around…

    blue-fleck
    Dresbach, MN
    Posts: 7872
    #437321

    I would like to know how too much fishing on a catch & release pool could hurt the fishing…

    derek_johnston
    On the water- Minnesota
    Posts: 5022
    #437325

    I was just going to say that Blue.. Pretty silly isnt it.

    The real reason is that a well known Mn guide has been complaining that people are fishing “his” so called spots. Public water is pubilic water and Steve has been fishing pool 2 and posting reports for years.

    gary_wellman
    South Metro
    Posts: 6057
    #437329

    my opinion…..only mine-me-myself……..opinion………

    Is that certain “professional” guides on P2 and other waters around the metro area, that do not use fishing forums, such as IDA to talk fishing, are frustrated because more and more people are fishing these local waters and “taking their spots”……

    Again, just my opinion and my thinking on the matter……….

    robstenger
    Northern Twin Cities, MN
    Posts: 11374
    #437335

    Quote:


    I would like to know how too much fishing on a catch & release pool could hurt the fishing…


    Exactly my thoughts Blue

    Besides, if Deezee was giving away GPS coordinates, what post was it?????? Cause I want those coordinates. Secondly, I have followed DeeZee’s reports like probably most people here. The best info I can get out of his reports is general locations (current breaks, slack water, wing dams, etc). Helpful you bet, but is it exact locations and GPS coordinates? Far from it. Thirdly, I heard second hand this topic came about on this radio show (Hurting Pool 2) from another P2 Guide and River guide (Won’t mention names, but if you listen to the show you probably know and he was on the back page of Sundays Mpls. paper ) that just can’t quite seem to produce as much anymore and I feel this guy is using IDA reporters (Steve) as a scape goat. All cause his apparent lack of ability to be able to adapt to the fish, changes in the river and perhaps a little pressure. Jigs and minnows do not work day in day out. Perhaps the fish are just getting smarter than this other guide? Perhaps this guy a bit pissed that he is having a tough time putting fish in the boat while Steve keeps producing? I believe Steve does a unbelievable job educating us “other” anglers here on the site, but he is far from giving up locations either in text but also in his pics. I joined IDA not only for the great info and knowledge on the site, but IDA’s Staff and the majority of the members courtesy and respect towards the fisheries and resources alike.

    Just cause P2 has seen a rise in interest perhaps, is that the fault of “1” man or site? I do not think so, haven’t we noticed and increase of interest through out the region???? Not to mention today’s maps and technology. These wing-dams are public knowledge if you just do some research. I think the anglers are getting smarter as a whole. Plus as mentioned prior, how can a fishery be hurt that is a “Catch and Release” fishery????? If this fishery is being hurt I certainly have saw more than a fair share of piggies this year compared to last and Steve is not the only posting these pics. Funny how the power of one guy with media ties can get something published and the media does no research themselves to verify the truth, yet goes on the air and talks about something with no idea or information to back it up. I applaud this “JOHN” Doe guy and stand behind him and Steve Dezurik all the way! .

    This is all just my opinion, but something I do feel a strong passion for.

    gary_wellman
    South Metro
    Posts: 6057
    #437338

    On another note………

    Do you think if someone posted the GPS coordinates of a certain one wingdam that was producing 3 weeks ago would work today, being the water is about 10 feet higher???

    All river fisherman know that the river changes daily.

    When you are working a maze of 500 to 1000 wingdams, and only 12 of those wingdams hold fish at a specific water level, on a specific time of year, when there was a good year class……yep, the fishing was good for about 3 days……Now, those fish are NOWHERE near those 12 wingdams, they are on another completely different 12 wingdams.

    The only way a person can be consistent for river fishing is by putting in your time. Not much more can be said. Yep, come here and learn techniques and get some ideas of what type of structure the fish will be found, then go put your notes to work.

    By the way, can someone please provide me the links to where GPS coordinates were noted…….

    jldii
    Posts: 2294
    #437345

    Is it possible that they maybe didn’t name the website because James isn’t sponsoring their show?

    I wonder how much it would have cost James to have them mention IDA’s name on air?

    gary_wellman
    South Metro
    Posts: 6057
    #437352

    Jack;
    my opinion for the reason for not naming the “reporter” or “website” was due to the “disapproval” that they were discussing of the two.

    When the caller challenged them on their negative discussion of the reporter and website, they were quick to state that they “never named names”.

    They were being hypocritical about it and started back-peddling when the caller challenged them on it.

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59996
    #437353

    Ummm, excuse me…but most people on here or other websites didn’t hear last weeks show or think to post about it…

    I wonder how much James will make THEIR bill out for???

    Mike W
    MN/Anoka/Ham lake
    Posts: 13310
    #437354

    Interisting. I heard something along these same lines about 4 weeks ago or more. This was from a fellow angler in the parking lot at 494. This person I believe started up the conversation with me after seeing the IDA stickers on my boat. Several guides from IDA that work pool 2 and 4 where mentioned. Difficulty with finding fish on the river for him self and a few other guides and big wigs in the fishing industry because of info shared on the internet was talked about also. Sounds like these guy expanded on some of this ideas since then. Wish I would of listened in. Does anyone know if there show is on line anywhere?

    Was there any mention on the show about concerns of the what the comarants are doing to the fishing on pool 2. Sounds like the solution is pretty simple. Get rid of the fish eating birds, computor geeks, recreational fisherman that catch fish or speak of catching fish. You guys that dont catch fish should be all right. Do all this and pool 2 should be a better place for a few fishing guides.

    john23
    St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 2582
    #437363

    Good response, MikeW.

    I think there’s a lot of truth to the fact that IDA has increased pressure on Pool 2, though. I’ve seen a significant increase even during the three or so years I’ve been seriously fishing up here. I do get a little frustrated when I head to the river for an afternoon with a half-dozen wingdams in mind and all but one have boats on them, but what can you do? That’s part of the challenge I suppose. So long as I can still get away from people when I want to, and I can, I’m happy. I guess all I really have to say is that I can see where guys are coming from when they say the internet river info is bad, but it ain’t going anywhere so they’d better learn to deal with it.

    Oh, and I’m 100% in favor of shooting up the cormorants and maybe a few pellies!!

    Whiskerkev
    Madison
    Posts: 3835
    #437368

    There is so much water out there to fish. You can’t blame your poor performance on anyone but yourself. I can’t count how many times I have heard of the great bite and get there and I can’t catch anything. other days, I get lucky and do pretty well when nobody else is. Go figure. keep up the good work guides. You must be doing something right if these folks are blaming you for sharing intelligence.

    GEMEYEGUY
    Posts: 151
    #437369

    Several years ago, I had a run-in up on Mille with a guide.
    No words were exchanged when/where said incident occurred, but way too many people “saw” it happen. Then both sides OVER-REACTED the next day (myself included). Some because they legitimately disagreed with what I did, some because they legitimately disagreed with what he did, others merely because they were my friends sticking up for me, and others merely because they were his friends sticking up for him. To make matters worse some of the over-reaction spilled over into several threads on several websites and went on for several weeks.

    More than one side to the story? yep
    Over-reaction from both sides? you betcha
    Similarites to this situation? hmmm

    P.S.
    I cited this example only to illustrate what I have learned about over-reaction from a personal experience in a similar situation, NOT to rehash what happened in the past.
    PLEASE don’t ask/guess/hint who I had a run in with. Only those who saw it happen, know. Thankfully, none of us named names then, and I won’t now since that’s not the point of this post at all (it’s a name too many would recognize and it wouldn’t do anybody any good, especially him or me).

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59996
    #437370

    Quote:


    You must be doing something right if these folks are blaming you for sharing intelligence.


    That is so true it’s funny!

    I just keep forgetting P2 is catch and release…isn’t it?

    Mike W
    MN/Anoka/Ham lake
    Posts: 13310
    #437371

    Did they actually say the names of these guides that where having trouble finding fish. This would be good info to have when looking to hire my next guide service. Maybe they should just put a disclaimer on their services claiming that we may not catch fish do to everyone else catching them first.

    heitda
    Eau Claire, WI
    Posts: 272
    #437375

    It’ll make the fish a little more touchy as to what baits they will bite and when they will bite. With the location being so close to a large number of fishers, it’s a good idea to have Pool 2 be catch and release only.

    If those radio guys are complaining about not being able to fish their “money” spots, they should do some homework and find some better, less fished spots! Then again they can always go fish on some other body of water. The fish will still be around somewhere.

    ggoody
    Mpls MN
    Posts: 2603
    #437397

    Quote:


    I was just going to say that Blue.. Pretty silly isnt it.

    The real reason is that a well known Mn guide has been complaining that people are fishing “his” so called spots. Public water is pubilic water and Steve has been fishing pool 2 and posting reports for years.


    Yeah I heard him on the show a few weeks ago complaining “whinning” how bad pool 2 fishing is now and how he’s going to concentrate on pool 4.
    I thought that was odd at the time but now I beleive it was propaganda to steer people away.

    jldii
    Posts: 2294
    #437398

    If those guys can’t find the fish, they can either log onto IDA and find out where the fish are, or maybe hire Steve for a day and he can show them!!

    In the end this scenario will continue to play out on all waters for the rest of all time. I’ve seen it first hand over the last 10+years up on Mille Lacs and its still going on today. First it was LCG’s, then Loran, and Wiffer maps, and now it is color high definition graphs and super accurate GPS units with precise map chips. People are sharing ideas and information daily, and eventually, that is going to reach the waters you fish. Accept it, because there is no way to stop it.

    I’m willing to bet our posts are being read by those same individuals.

    Steve Root
    South St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 5649
    #437411

    This strikes me as pretty silly. I’ve only been on P2 a couple of times but I get out on area lakes EVERY weekend during the summer. And EVERY weekend there’s somebody fishing on one of “my” spots. That’s just the way it works. The fact that the complainers are guides makes this even funnier since they’re the ones who are supposed to be the experts at finding fish.

    P.S. Hey KSTP, count me out as a listener. I have better things to do than listen to that kind of nonsense.

    Rootksi

    kooty
    Keymaster
    1 hour 15 mins to the Pond
    Posts: 18101
    #437435

    Is this on every night or only Sunday nights??

    Mike W
    MN/Anoka/Ham lake
    Posts: 13310
    #437445

    Sunday nights and saturday mornings.

    lenny_jamison
    Bay City , WI
    Posts: 4001
    #437453

    Alright guys, I think this calls for an IDA get together on pool #2 . When are you guys free?

    kooty
    Keymaster
    1 hour 15 mins to the Pond
    Posts: 18101
    #437458

    I sent them an email. It will be interesting to see if I get a response. While I try to be subjective, it’s hard when you feel as strongly as I do about this group and what it has done for me over the last 6 years.

    shayla
    Posts: 1399
    #437459

    Thanks for bringing me up to date!

    Steve, if you’re out there listening, all I can say is keep your chin up. You have not done one thing wrong in my mind! It’s sad that no matter what a man achieves in life somebody is always there to try and belittle it or cast a shadow of speculation upon the individual. It really boils down to pure unadulterated envy and jealousy. I hope you (Steve and everyone else who posts on here) continue to do what you do best…catch nice fish, teach the rest of us how to do the same, and we all have fun doing it!

    There, I said my part, now I’m going to bed……I just hope nobody is in “MY SPOT”!

    jon_jordan
    St. Paul, Mn
    Posts: 10908
    #437504

    Away from the office all day today, so I’m just reading through this post…..

    First off, let me start out saying that I’m the caller to last Sunday’s show. And if you only heard last Sunday’s show and not the one preceding it, then you would not understand my call or the reason I was pissed off. (Still am by the way…)

    In that show they spent the second hour of the show talking about an un-named website and how a reporter was giving out exact spots and including gps coordinates, specifically mentioning pool 2 several times. They also took like minded calls from listeners basically agreeing it’s not good for fishing or pool 2. For the record I was not able to get a call to the show on that Sunday. Furthermore, I sent several e-mails to both Fisher and Bohlig during the week after the show and they were not returned. KSTP 1500 AM would not give me a phone number to contact either of them. They left me no choice to call them on the air with my complaint.

    Now, all I wanted them to do was simply state the website they were talking about. Only fair as they spent an entire hour of their 2 hr show discussing it. If it was another site, fine, then I’m the idiot. But pinned down, they would not answer the question. I pressed hard and still will. Why?

    1. They know dam well they were talking about this site.

    2. This site or it’s reporters have never given out exact locations or gps coordinates on pool 2

    3. Furthermore, our site visitors and forum posters to my knowledge have never given out exact wingdam locations or gps coordinates where fish are being caught on pool 2. If someone here can dig up an old post or report to prove me wrong, I have an IDA hat and decals for you.

    So, to sum it up. Don’t dis this site or it’s reporters or contributor over the airwaves and not expect a sharp and stinging response. Especially when both Fisher and Bohlig did no show prep. If they did, they would have found a website with up to date, accurate information about how, when and where to catch fish. Exact spots – no. Have a personal problem with someone, don’t put it over the air. What they did was irresponsible and I have lost all respect for both of them and will not listen to their show again.

    Jack Dunn wrote:

    Quote:


    I didn’t hear the show last night, but I got a phone call this morning from a good friend that did listen to it. Seems that Fisher and Bolig where very upset with some people here, namely Steve DeZurik, for telling everything about fishing pool 2 and the fact he was tied directly to IDA. Seems they think he/IDA are giving way to much info out to the public about how and where to fish the river and it’s starting to hurt their fishing on P2.


    The above phone conversation appears to confirm my position.

    Lastly, they cut me off before I was done. So, Mark, Larry… I left my phone number with your producer. Larry, you said on the air. “Jon called back and left his number. He wants me to call him back.” I’m still waiting for that call. Return it or I will be forced to call your show again!

    robstenger
    Northern Twin Cities, MN
    Posts: 11374
    #437553

    That a boy JJ

    DaveB
    Inver Grove Heights MN
    Posts: 4499
    #437555

    Did they mention all the poachers from shore around Minnehaha or other spots?

    Hmmmmm….what has more impact, sportsman catching and releasing or poachers taking anything they can get-big females or not.

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