shame on Midwest Outdoors, and Ted T, and Perry G

I could not agree more!!!

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My second point, how bout we worry about the people on Red who go up and keep the dang walleyes despite the laws and take them home, or clean them and bury the remains in the snow. Those are the people we need too be making a fuss over. People on this site and the other site i read are all up in arms over this, i agree it may have been in poor taste too air the show, but come on guys. Ted Takasaki isnt the one thats potentially damaging this fishery, its the “slobs” who go up too Red and keep dozens of walleyes all the time. We all know its happening. The resort owners see the remains when they replow the snow after people rent their sleepers. Lets crack down on the people who really deserve it!

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Q. Do you, and the rest of you, think that someone in their position would have actually done this with intension of catching walleyes, and breaking the law?

A. I think people do stupid things all the time.

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I don’t know that I’d say with the intention of breaking the law, but when your not careful; CRAP HAPPENS !! Seems to me that another high-profile-Brainerd-area-outdoors-TV-host got into trouble filming a deer hunt with 2-way radios. So, yes, it can happen.

[quoteSeems to me that another high-profile-Brainerd-area-outdoors-TV-host got into trouble filming a deer hunt with 2-way radios. So, yes, it can happen.

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But this was illegal, not just dumb luck. Babe went into the woods knowing the 2 way radios were illegal. These guys were fishing for crappies, and catching walleye. From the sounds of Ted’s response, he was targeting crappies. I’ve caught only 1 muskie in my life, and that was while I was bass fishing. I didn’t keep it, actually it shook off at the side of the boat. If I was fishing for bass, outside of muskie season, and I caught that fish, and wanted to take a picture, I would have done so. I don’t think I would have been given a ticket.

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If I understand correctly, with all the responses……..

I can just go “fishing” and catch whatever I want, as long as I don’t put it in the livewell???

That means, I can drag ringworms for suckers at the Hastings dam?

If that is the case, there is no pressure at the Hastings Dam and it is great “fishing”……….But, since I’m not keeping any species and I’m “trying to catch suckers”, I’m legal all day long…………

Hey Kooty;

We don’t need to wait for 2006 opener on Red, we can go pull cranks all summer long up there for “crappies”. LET’S GO!!!!!!!

This is a hot topic on WC also.
Anglers went to Red to catch crappies,could not catch crappies but the walleyes sure were biting for them.Anglers tried to move to try to find active crappies but were only catching eyes.
Midwest Outdoors had the anglers on the water,camera man,time,etc, involved in filming a show.It’s just too bad the crappie did not bite for them.
I just don’t think Ted and Perry went on the water that morning excited about a walleye bite.They wanted to catch crappie with thier friends and family,simple as that.
Now maybe the best judgement wasn’t used but they caught fish out of season and released them.They did not keep any walleye but I bet there are guys that do it on the Red aren’t there?
I had the pleassure of meeting both Ted and Perry a few days ago.Very nice people.
Ryan Hale

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[quoteSeems to me that another high-profile-Brainerd-area-outdoors-TV-host got into trouble filming a deer hunt with 2-way radios. So, yes, it can happen.

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But this was illegal,

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Not IMMEDIATELY releasing any walleye incidentally caught on Red is ILLEGAL too !

Many of the walleyes held in front of the camera were definitely beyond the point of IMMEDIATE release.

I guess that brings up another question(s) here…just what does “immediate release” mean? What is a reasonable time out of the water? Is it out to long , if I catch a 6 pound largemouth in the spring while casting in the shallows for crappies, and I take a picture of it? How many minutes is to long? what is the standard “immediate release” time? Is there a document that states the proper “immediate release” time? Is it an “immediate release” if I catch a 15 pound muskie while crappie fishing and I put it back in the water after 1 minute but slowly work it back and forth in the water for another 3 minutes to make sure it is ready to swim on it’s own?(It is still in my grasp). Is there an authority out there that can answer those questions for me??

I have posted that I sent messages Sunday night to Midwest Outdoors and Lindy.
Haven’t heard from Midwest-OD yet, if I do I’ll say so.

This evening I did get a great e-mail from Ted personally. It says alot to me about the kind of guy he is.
I was pretty tough in my objection to what was aired. But to be fair, I’ve also done things that I later regretted (haven’t we all?).

I think Midwest Outdoors should have canned the show. Knowing full well that the season is closed at Red for walleye until 2006, they put Perry and Ted in a bad position. Every one of us who has been to Red Lake to legally catch crappie has caught walleye. I have taken pictures of them, and released them. BUT! And this is a big BUT! If you air a show promoting the fishery and comment on the fish as being nice eaters, etc., that is wrong! I don’t care who you are! Do any of you think that if James Holst announced IDA was going to Red Lake to do a special on walleye, something wouldn’t be done to head him off at the pass? If it was said that no fish were going to be kept, just filmed and released…Would that be OK? The fact that they were fishing for crappie, and did not catch ONE(!) is not an excuse to air a show on the illegal catching of walleye! Yeah, they caught walleye by “Accident”! We all have! But, don’t air a show on it! I think Ted and Perry got a raw deal, and I think Midwest Outdoors owes them an apology for putting them in this position.
My $.02

I have to say I agree, They are the PRO’s with Tournament and T.V. endorcements. Alot of money to be made for the sake of some walleye in Red Lake. If they wanted they could have found craps in better #’s somewhere else on the lake ? with all the connections and such . Like Midwest outdoors has ? Anyways I also know that on the Croix people do this same thing crappie and white bass fishing but they’re really fishing what Ted was catching. It does happen on most waters sometime or another. It is legal to mistakingly catch a walleye out of season if released promptly. So Let’s Give Midwest Outdoors some rope the guides / Pro’s on that show are good people. It’s just the fact that if I used a local outdoor writer and producer to make a show on the ST. Croix river, fishing exclusivly crappie and white bass before April 30th 2005 walleye fishing opener. And all we caught was walleye and CRP’ed without changing tactic’s over and over agian/ I might be or well I know Mr. Brad Schultz our game warden would have me up the rver without a fishing license for awhile, at the very least give my boat a good shakedown , up to snuff, saftey look at! Just a reminder for us GOOD PARTTIME or can find time for fishing PEOPLE……………………………………

I was going to be done with this one, but one more point. If we are talking the letter of the law, what does it read for Slot fish on Mille Lacs? Anyone ever take a picture of a fish in the proteted slot on Mille Lacs

Ok, let me help you out, it says fish must be immediately returned to the water. I guess we are all just as guilty, and people in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones!

True and True,

However, the walleye season is not closed on Mille Lacs or Pool 2 when those pictures are taken. It’s not the immediate release that bugs me here, it’s the closed season and “Look at me with an illegal fish”!

-J.

Scott & John, for the reasons you have stated is why I hold MWO responsible! They should have canned it, and not used it to make money on commercial endorsements at the expense of two touring pros! I don’t like the “They can do it on TV but I can’t go up there and do it” message they sent!
I’m done on this one. This horse has been beaten.
Tuck

Chris, I am not defending Midwest Outdoors, they made a poor choice by using that footage without mentioning the season is closed. I just think a person catching walleye, and lots of them, on Red Lake should not be put down, as long as they are returning them to the water. It is a common occurrance on Red Lake, as it is perch fishing on Mille Lacs and Winnie. Everyone has their right to an opinion and now everyone knows mine

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[quoteSeems to me that another high-profile-Brainerd-area-outdoors-TV-host got into trouble filming a deer hunt with 2-way radios. So, yes, it can happen.

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But this was illegal,

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Not IMMEDIATELY releasing any walleye incidentally caught on Red is ILLEGAL too !

Many of the walleyes held in front of the camera were definitely beyond the point of IMMEDIATE release.

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No one has answered the question, of what is immediate? Is it after the hook has been removed? After a picture? What is the LEGAL definition of IMMEDIATE? The quote from the DNR above seems to see nothing wrong with taking a picture. Why the fuss?
If your problem with this is that they did a walleye show on a lake with a closed walleye season, then yes what they did was wrong. If you’re complaining that they held the fish up for a minute while talking about it and then released the fish to live another day, I don’t see a problem with them doing that.

I agree the most blame needs placed on Midwest Outdoors in this situation. I’m sure at the time Ted and Perry felt they were just having fun catching fish with the family. I don’t think these guys are any more guilty than I am of taking pics of all the beautiful fish in the fall on Mille Lacs.

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I’m done on this one. This horse has been beaten.

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AMEN!

-B

Kudos Ted , several of us have heard from him. I found him to be a real man in the face of criticism and a real gentleman as we resolved this.
Many of the same things that made me one of his most vocal critics also make me one of his most vocal supporters!

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I RECEIVED A REPLY FROM MIDWEST OUTDOORS AS I WAS TYPING THIS MESSAGE.
It contained an apology for the segment that aired.
But most impressive to me was; it also contained the statement that they “owe Ted an apology”

It more then likely has already been pointed out but I’ve met both Mr. Takasaki and Good and they both care very much about the health of the fishing industry. Unfortunate over sight in my humble opinion…… Kurt

SCOTT, Page 87 of the 2005 Minnesota fishing regulations under CATCH AND RELEASE. The last sentence- You cannot practice catch and release for a species during its closed season. The last time I checked I live in a wood structure and I dont play with rocks. I Know they set out to go crappie fishing. And Yea Its to bad they Midwest O aired this Red lake thing , Ted is good man and he practice’s good fish management the way any true sportsman do with the C.R’s. Jeff

This whole thread has lost ALL COMMON SENSE!!!

1) Ted and Perry are just as guilty as MWO. MWO didn’t come boating up to Ted and Perry, pull out a camera and just start following the guys around. It was pre-planned! Do you think that MWO can air a show with Ted and Perry, and not get permission by Ted and Perry??? By the way…..who put the mics on Ted and Perry????

2) The law states you cannot target a species that is out of season. They were obviously targeting the walleyes. That is beyond perception………

3) IF what they did is “OK”, then again…………….I’m going to the Hastings dam, where the season is closed and start jigging for walleyes……….BUT, I’m going to state I’m crappie fishing……… This is wrong and we all know it……..
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4) If what they did is OK, I’m going to Red lake this summer with 3 other buddies and we are going to long line cranks on boards……….in search of crappies………. This is wrong and we all know it……..

What they did was wrong…….but since it is “Ted and Perry”, MWO, Lindy tackle, etc, etc, etc……..people are saying it is ok????

These guys, plus MWO, plus Lindy tackle have an obligation to “teach” and “preach” proper ethics. They did wrong…….

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This whole thread has lost ALL COMMON SENSE!!!

2) The law states you cannot target a species that is out of season. They were obviously targeting the walleyes. That is beyond perception………

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Remember from page 1 of this common sense free thread?
“We were fishing with a center slider slip float and a 1/64 oz. Little Nipper jig. We were also pitching 1/16 oz. Max Gap jigs and 2″ Munchies Grubs, all crappie oriented baits. We moved several times to look for crappies and walleyes obviously got in the way. We just couldn’t catch any crappies that day.”
Doesn’t sound to me like they were targeting Walleyes. There are some similarities in certain walleye and crappie presentations. They’ve apologized, so has MWO. They didn’t keep any fish that were not in an open season. At best, which they have admitted, they excercised poor judgement in running this episode. They weren’t the group of 4 guys with 200 fish over limit. I think we should let it go.

After reading a LOT of replies I’m with you on this one Jon.

Years ago…Before I realized how much harm we were doing….We used to hammer Smallies during the first two weeks of open Pike season. We released them all and it would have been tough to prove what we were doing…but we certainly enjoyed catching all the bass. We caught Pike too, but we KNEW we would catch a lot of bass…we were IMHO breaking the law.

Only in this great state can you get in trouble for catching fish!! I’ve never fished a 1/64th oz jig for walleyes, some may have but not me. I think you guys are all a little hyper-sensitive to this issue. I know if I was fishing for crappies and kept catching eyes I wouldn’t think twice about it. Stupid MN laws!!!

You are correct KOOTY “Stuipid MN / LAWS” 1 line state among A hole slew of reg’S……

Minnesota–the land where nothing is allowed. The biggest mistake Ted and the rest made was exposing this to the public so they could get an earful. Were they targeting walleyes? Clearly not. Does it hurt anything to catch, show to the camera, then release? Not in my humble opinion. If even the DNR guy quoted earlier says it’s common sense to NOT write a ticket, that’s good enough for me. If a CO would write a ticket for doing what they did, something’s wrong.

OK, I’ve read… I lost track of how many pages about this! I’ve seen this before on other shows and want to put my two cents worth in.

1. If Ted and Perry received any compensation for the show, it would have been agreed upon PRIOR to fishing.

2. I’ve been on Red when the slab bite is off and I actually heard guys say “Damn, its another f*$#in’ walleye” and watch the fish go right back in the water.

3. I saw a snippit of the episode and I don’t think any of the anglers acted unethically. They moved 7 TIMES!

I think the only ones to blame here is MWO for being stupid enough to air it! If I were in Teds shoes, I wouldn’t say “Here’s they goods (or cash) back since we didn’t catch any crappies, just make sure you don’t air this footage”. I would have hoped MWO had brains enough to see the tidal wave of bad PR coming a mile away, and leave it all on the cutting room floor!

Anyway, this topic could be interpreted a million different ways but who cares…. its only 50 days until opener!

Good Luck in ’05!