National ID Card

This is scary.
http://www.gunowners.org/activism.htm

The artcle says “This bill is bad for gun owners” but fails to explain why.

Perhaps it should have been titled “This bill is bad for people who own and posses guns illegally”!

What am I missing here?

-J.

In a somewhat related topic. Convicted felons who seek to hunt in Minnesota will get a background check to see if they can legally posses a firearm if this legislation is introduced and passed.

Link to KSTP.com story

-J.

“Imposing gun control on targeted groups” doesn’t bother me so long as the targeted groups are felons and terrorists. If I could have my computer chip-containing license swiped when I purchase a gun it might actually make the process easier.

Jon,

I remember seeing this news story on TV. The report was trying to blame the DNR for issuing hunting licenses to people who can’t legally carry a gun.

One of the points the DNR made was that people can assist in a hunt (which requires a license) without carrying a gun. Based on that fact, I’m not sure I could support a background check for a hunting license. Maybe marking the license “Non-Gun” (or issuing a special license) would work. Still, that would be a lot of work…

Remember that it’s not illegal for a felon to get a hunting license; it’s illegal for him or her to carry a firearm.

Perhaps hunting and fishing Privileges should be added to the list of things you lose when you break the law?

I am pretty sure that in Wisconsin, when you buy any license, they run your Soc # to verify that you aren’t a convicted felon, have unpaid child support, a poacher etc.

Now in thinking like a convicted felon or a poacher (as I am not one):

What would be the point of buying a license? And if I got denied from buying a license, wouldn’t that be more fuel for the fire.

I guess what I am getting at is simply that taking hunting and fishing privilages away from convicted law breakers would stop some, but push others to breaking more laws. Just my 2 cents

I believe in every state now when you by a fishing or hunting license they take you soc #. It is a federal law they check to see if you owe child support and can track you down. That was the original purpose of it who nows what else they do with it.

Hey i have no problem with this its just another head ache for the outdoorsman by now we should be used to this crap,but what are you gonna do.I have nothig to worry about i have no skelltons in my closet. I just dont understand how this will help. If your gonna own firearm illegally your already breaking the law the only people this reall effects is the people that own them leagally. Not to mention the fact i havent used a fire arm to hunt in over 10 years. As someone else mentioned theres assiting in hunts. People like myself that only use archery equipment. Then theres those crazy cajuns i met when i was living with a buddy of mine down in lousiana. They invited me to go bore hunting with them only to show up packing the remington 870 to find out that all they were packing were only bowie knives i quickly explained i only used my knife to clean the game after i shot it and left all the fun as they explained it to them.

Well heres a point to ponder – I have found out that a convicted felon was allowed to join a hunter’s safety cousre with a minor. This course allowed for many times to practice on a day to day basis with all different types of guns.
1. A convicted felon was allowed to fire a gun not once
but many times.
2. Aren’t the minors suppose to be learning about obeying
the law?
3. Is this course not suppose to provide that we as adults
are suppose to have morals and thats how role models and
mentores are formed – are we that hard up for honest
people.
4. I would think that the org. would have some kind of
libility with allowing convicted felons to shoot a gun.
5. Do these type of clubs make sure that the people
enrolling are not convicted felons? and if not should
they?

FYI~ at this time, a ss# isn’t connected to a background check…although your name and date of birth is.

How about the word FELON on the top portion of your driving privalage license?

I can see it coming, DNA sampling at birth. Is this good or bad…don’t know…but it scares me!

Getting ALOT closer to the ”mark of the beast” if you ask me.
Thanks, Bill

I think a national ID card would be great place to put an RF tag just to make sure it hasn’t been forged. Plus it would make it easier to track all the felons, terrorists and people of interest as to just where they actually do go and what they do.

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Plus it would make it easier to track all the felons, terrorists and people of interest as to just where they actually do go and what they do.

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Felons are people. Felons could be anyone. There is no objective criteria concerning what crimes constitute a felony. Establish some verifiable criteria for a felony charge, and then maybe you’ll get my interest. Until then, I don’t see a need to keep tabs on someone who’s carrying a conviction for felony jaywalking.

If you know someone is a terrorist, how about instead of marking it on thier national ID card or driver’s licence, you just arrest them?

“Persons of Interest” I like, it’s very 1984.

Im with you Bill and Gianni. In my honest opinion its nobodys da-n business what im doing. If they want to know come to my door and ask me. I think that theres too much imformation available to anybody about anybody already and thats not right. Its not a situatiion if you’ve got nothing to hide then why worry, its a gauranteed right from the constitution about privacy. Marks and labels are signs of the beast for sure. You give your privacy away and you’ll eventually wish you never did. This is why i wish that government was a class that was mandatory like math and english to let everybody know just how important thier privacy is in America. Once its gone its more than likely gone for good.

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its a gauranteed right from the constitution about privacy.

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There is no “Right” to privacy guaranteed in the US Constitution. Actually the word “Privacy” does not even appear once in the document.

-J.

Gianni, you’ve confused me…which normally doesn’t take too much!

There isn’t a “felony” jaywalking law. I was going to post my definition of felony…but after using a dictionary…I was wrong.

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Main Entry: fel·o·ny
Pronunciation: ‘fe-l&-nE
Function: noun
Inflected Form: plural -nies
: a crime that has a greater punishment imposed by statute than that imposed on a misdemeanor; specifically : a federal crime for which the punishment may be death or imprisonment for more than a year —see also ATTAINDER, TREASON
NOTE: Originally in English law a felony was a crime for which the perpetrator would suffer forfeiture of all real and personal property as well as whatever sentence was imposed. Under U.S. law, there is no forfeiture of all of the felon’s property (real or personal) and such forfeiture is not part of the definition of a felony. For certain crimes, however (as for a conviction under the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act or a narcotics law), specific property, such as that used in or gained by the crime, is subject to forfeiture. Every state has its own statutory definition of a felony. Most are in line with the federal definition of a felony as a crime which carries a sentence of imprisonment for more than one year or the death penalty (where applicable). Other states, like Louisiana, define a felony as a crime which carries a sentence of death or imprisonment at hard labor.

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You are correct sir. It (can) change from state to state.

However…you are very wrong in suggesting that we should just arrest felons and terrorists. It’s much more finacally effective to just shoot’em.

Jon just too clearify what i mean to me its one of the reasons people moved too America to get away from invading that was done by government from england. Yes there is no line of speach that says its a guaranteed right but it does say that we do have certain inalienable rights and too me that includes privacy. I guess its how one looks at the rights everybody should have. Too me privacy is on the top of the list. Alot of people in America have a few bones in thier closet but it dosent mean i want or need to know about them if they were borderline crimes. I remember 30 years ago they used to jail people for bouncing checks and made it hard on them for a simple mistake, now they just get a check charge, so to me it sometimes means whats a jaywalking felony too me, just because its a law, that maybe eventually overturned, dosen’t make it right. I read the constitution as a privacy to everyone matter except for the very serious crimes that should be felonies. I hope this clears up what i mean and my encompasses. I do know what your saying though.

Mossy? That means you’re with me then…right?

Just shoot’em!

Hey Brian, certain crimes deserve very harsh punishment. I know what your saying about just make it quick and im not sure where i stand on the death penalty but there are some very serious crimes. Acts like the world trade center bombing is one of those crimes where the death penalty would be in order. Sounds kinda soft but im just not sure taking another life makes the situation better but im am for locking them (all) up forever and throwing away the key on some.