I’m all for helping other people but…

  • Arzie
    East Bethel, Minnesota
    Posts: 426
    #1245308

    Like I said, I’m all for helping other people, but $35 million dollars would sure help my school district!

    Brian Hoffies
    Land of 10,000 taxes, potholes & the politically correct.
    Posts: 6843
    #334111

    Fish On,
    Sorry your school district is in such bad shape.
    Given the choice between helping those people with $35 million or shutting your whole school district down completely which would you choose?
    This is an absolute no brainer for me, I’d bus my kids 20 miles before I’d denie those people anything they wanted.

    I’m nearly 50 years old and this is the worst thing I’ve ever seen. I’m not attacking you personally I just would like everyone to watch the news and see what is happening over there.

    Sad & tragic………$35 million is not nearly enough.

    Arzie
    East Bethel, Minnesota
    Posts: 426
    #334132

    I agree with you whole heartedly. What just gets me is when we in America are looking for a little help we don’t get it. If I could go over there and help I would, but the best I can do is give them a little money. It is tragic what has happened, and I don’t wish it upon anyone. I’ve been to Thailand and the have it bad enough as is. It just feels like we’re always looking out for everyone but ourselves.

    shew
    East Bethel, Minnesota
    Posts: 696
    #334133

    Quote:


    Like I said, I’m all for helping other people, but $35 million dollars would sure help my school district!



    What kills me Fish On is that I was watching the news and and there were people yelling in broken English “Where is America.”
    Well where are you? In Iraq? All you want is handouts from us and when we ask for your gov. to crack down on terror you say your hands are tied.
    I have been there Helping those who could not help themselves and have seen it first hand so before anyone opens up on me you should make sure you have been there and done that if you know what I am getting at.
    Lets take care of what we are working on now. We have people in the military who go to work in the morning with out the equipment they need to make sure they make it home after there watch or tour.
    Think of that the next time we sit back in our chairs in the safty of our homes and say we should give everyone money that needs it.
    So many countrys around the world do not like what America’s freedoms allow us to do and think we are evil…..untill things go bad and then our money and help are welcome but only until we get them up and running better then they were prior to the problem most of the time.
    Its so easy to sit back and be an arm chair President when you can do nothing wrong. You say you do not attack him directly but it seems as if you were. So please don’t feel this is an attack on you. It is how I feel and will stand by my words 100%

    DaveB
    Inver Grove Heights MN
    Posts: 4465
    #334141

    Education is so ridiculously overfunded in the US it is embarrassing.

    The money is there, just fire a few administrators.

    putz
    Cottage Grove, Minn
    Posts: 1551
    #334144

    Well said, DaveB

    fishingdaskoal
    EauClaire WI
    Posts: 927
    #334215

    Well last I heard its up to 350 million dollars now.

    Mike W
    MN/Anoka/Ham lake
    Posts: 13294
    #334230

    Its to bad the money cant bring back the people that where lost. If that where the case I would say send more.

    eyejacker
    Hudson, Wisconsin
    Posts: 1890
    #334233

    ….Say nothing of the Teachers Union!
    Geronimo

    Arzie
    East Bethel, Minnesota
    Posts: 426
    #334237

    Quote:


    Well last I heard its up to 350 million dollars now.



    I wonder how much vehicle armor that could get?

    Arzie
    East Bethel, Minnesota
    Posts: 426
    #334268

    Yes, vehicle armor! Or reinforced steel plateing! Apperently we don’t have the money for it. HMMMMMM

    Brian Hoffies
    Land of 10,000 taxes, potholes & the politically correct.
    Posts: 6843
    #334284

    We are spending Billions on the war in Iraq. Is it enough? Probably not. This is not a question of which group of people needs it the most, it’s a question of doing what’s morally right.
    Am I in favor of more help for our troops? YES
    Should we turn our backs on millions of people that need us because of the Tsumami? No
    Turn on CNN news and look in the face of that 4 year old that just lost her whole family, tell her we can’t afford to help her because we don’t have enough money for everyone.

    The world looks to the United States for help because we CAN give help. I’ll pay the plane ticket for anyone that wants to move to a third world country so they don’t have to help.

    sliderfishn
    Blaine, MN
    Posts: 5432
    #334323

    I don’t want a fight but why don’t we help the Vets that are homeless or the people that cannot afford health insurance. We need to help ourselves first and then help with natural disasters.

    DaveB
    Inver Grove Heights MN
    Posts: 4465
    #334341

    Who cant afford health insurance?

    haywood04
    Winona, Minnesota
    Posts: 1073
    #334349

    I will start this off by saying that the disaster is one of the worst in history and I have no ability to completely understand its magnitude. We should as a world come together and help out our fellowman in this situation. The US has a moral obligation to provide assistance to help those in need

    With that being said I do have a problem with other countries bitching that we have not done enough!

    What would be enough?? Even if we single handedly rebuilt all the nations hit it would not be enough to satisfy many.

    This is not the governments money it’s OURS! When any disaster hit the US, such as the Mississippi flood or any large hurricane did any country step forward with aid or even speak of it such as the Pres. did the other day? Not that I remember. Again we take care of our own and are expected to take care of the rest of the world when the $$ are needed. But if we decide that we want to take down a dictator who kills many of his own people, for whatever reason. That the rest of the world calls us brutal bullies.

    Can’t have it both ways.

    It is like the 16 year old who does everything to tick his parents off then finds himself in deep doo-doo. Then whom does he look to-to bail his butt out? On top of that then complains that it took them to long to get to the jail and pay the bondsman

    HEY To the rest of the world who does not appreciate $350 plus million…KISS MY [censored] and don’t take MY money.

    One more thing…even when this disaster is old news who do you think will continue to rebuild those countries? France? Not unless there is an under the table oil agreement involved

    They can stop calling us the Worlds Police and start calling us the Worlds Sugar Daddy

    OK I will now step off my soapbox.

    ps. hows the fishing?

    MrSeaguar
    Posts: 14
    #334364

    Im glad we sent 350 million to these areas. Thats better than a lot of other things the governemnt could do with it. I agree, I get awful sick of being Salvation Army to the world. But Iraq/Afghanistan is such a sinkhole of money that is just wasted that this is much better spent. 5 years after we leave, Iraq/Afghanistan will be right back where they are now. But, we might never leave.

    big water
    Andover ,MN
    Posts: 291
    #334377

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    Who cant afford health insurance?


    are you kidding ??

    DaveB
    Inver Grove Heights MN
    Posts: 4465
    #334378

    only partially kidding. How many without health insurance still have cable TV w/ big screens, expensive cars, a case of beer in the frigde, etc? I am sure there are cases of hard luck stories, but in a country w/ the opportunities that America offers, not having health insurance is a result of choices that people made. Whether is was not was not wearing a condom at 17, not taking high school seriously, taking that 1st line of coke or whatever. I have little symathy for people who make poor choices then complain about the outcomes and want the Govt to step in and take care of them.

    Arzie
    East Bethel, Minnesota
    Posts: 426
    #334386

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    Turn on CNN news and look in the face of that 4 year old that just lost her whole family, tell her we can’t afford to help her because we don’t have enough money for everyone.


    I see someone has forgotten the face of the four year old they showed on CNN, whose parents were lost in the World Trade Center. They could give each of the families of the 150,000 people that are missing $1 million that the US is giving them and they would have more then me. They could have a better place to live. They would have the money to make a change in their lives. For Free!!!!! I’ll take you up on that offer for the plane ticket. Send me to Thailand so I can get in on that $350 million.
    I have compassion for human kind, if I didn’t I wouldn’t be going into burning houses while everyone else is running out, I wouldn’t be putting my mouth 1″ from a dead Meth head to try to save his life, and for what do I get out of it. That fact that I know I can make a difference. I get a little government help, but it’s nothing that I can live on, and Gods know we sure could use a little government assistence without having to beg for it. Ask me how many faces of children I see that have one or no parents. How many see us trying to save their only source of income, only to see us walk out of the room, while their Dad lies on the floor covered in a sheet!!! If only the government have helped out with a little health insurance. If you can’t help yourself, how can you expect to help others!!
    Brian MN, I respect your opinion, but as you can see we all are trying to make the world a better place and we all have different ideas on how to do it. Some we agree on, some we don’t. God bless

    shew
    East Bethel, Minnesota
    Posts: 696
    #334388

    Turn on CNN news and look in the face of that 4 year old that just lost her whole family, tell her we can’t afford to help her because we don’t have enough money for everyone.

    The world looks to the United States for help because we CAN give help. I’ll pay the plane ticket for anyone that wants to move to a third world country so they don’t have to help.


    How about going to a shelter and telling a four year old girl she needs to go to bed to night hungry again because we are feeding other countrys and cant afford to held our own. Oh ya speaking of plain tickets when does your flight leave to go and help…..? Let me guess you wont be going to help you would just rather sit and throw money at it till it goes way right.

    stillakid2
    Roberts, WI
    Posts: 4603
    #334481

    Hey……… settle down guys. We’re all tired of third party spending and financially supporting programs we don’t agree with but there’s no need to go inviting each other a plane ticket out of here.

    The simple truth is that there’s no country that can do it all and there’s no individual that can do it all. Therefore, the unities are just gatherings of like minded people and some are looking at a better world and some are looking at a better “home”. No better, no worse. It all plays a part in each other’s picture so there’s no need to get puffed up over it.

    I get passionate over things important to me too so I understand. But I think we’re not seeing the benefits to the differences in our contributions. Most of us are giving back in some way……. whether it’s environment, family, community, world issues, foreign crisis……… and if life is valued equally, there’s no difference. We’re not any more important than the next nation of peoples.

    As for wasting money on war……… it’s a two way, divided issue. Ask anyone now living free of the Taliban if we wasted money and time? Many Iraqi’s are also grateful. I don’t know how well they’ll do on their own but the Middle East has been fighting since the beginning of time and are destined to continue this violent heritage of suffering. However, we’re trying to help with a freer, better, safer world. Is that money wasted? In some ways, Yes! In others………… like who’s 4 year old face is the most worthy of our compassions…… it’s no different than helping someone at home. You’re investing in a life. A future. Hoping to create more givers by giving!

    It’s never enough and there’s always more to do. So make your choices and do the best you can. If you don’t agree with someone else, don’t agree and keep fighting the good fight. Believe me……. they’re related topics of generosity, need, and investment.

    We’ve lost a lot of people over the tsunami disaster and it’s clouding over all the other dying and suffering that’s going on in the world right now………. but don’t call it a waste. Don’t get angry that something isn’t getting the same attention at home. Just keep making your choices, teaming up with like-minded people, and go make a difference in the world you love.

    Geez………… is cabin fever setting in already?

    sliderfishn
    Blaine, MN
    Posts: 5432
    #334514

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    Geez………… is cabin fever setting in already?


    No still have a month or so before it gets me normally.

    Well said Stillakid2!

    stevew
    Burnsville, MN
    Posts: 412
    #334541

    We can find the $350 mil and whatever else makes sense to help those people. I did just hear today that Siri Lanka declined Israel’s offer of support though. Something’s gotta be done to fix that – also, where is Saudi’s offer to support?

    gary_wellman
    South Metro
    Posts: 6057
    #334558

    Fish On;

    Why does your school need $35 mil??? Sports??? Diversity Training???? 6-digit wage for superintendent and principal???

    Public education is a massive joke “today” and I have no support to “today’s” propaganda BS. My daughter will be in a private school as long as the school has the right focus and program. As far as cost for sending your child to a private school??? I can assure you that anyone/everyone on this website can afford it!!!

    It is a shame that a buddy of mine has to buy algebra books for his 10th grade daughter, because the school has no money, yet they hired “diversity” teachers and have money for that…….

    As far as this Tsunami, it is sad………very, very sad. It is hard to imagine so many people wiped away from nature in a single sweep. However, there will always be disasters somewhere, always be genocide somewhere, and there will always be war somewhere……….What I’m trying to say, is that I’m not – not compassionate about this disaster, it is just another day in our life that we must live on. We are not here for a long time, just a good time.

    As far as the complaints about not enough……..Then don’t give any. I honestly beleive that we should have never given France, Japan, and Germany back after WW2. South Korea should fly the American Flag, and our oil should be pumped for free for the next 200 years from Kuwait and Iraq.

    World domination tour!!!

    gary_wellman
    South Metro
    Posts: 6057
    #334559

    One more……….Dave B is right………….If you can’t afford Health Ins, then send me a PM and I’ll get you the info you need for full coverage that anyone can afford

    Whiskerkev
    Madison
    Posts: 3835
    #334578

    I would hope the Saudis can afford to open their man purses up for this. How the government spends money is always laughable. Helping others in need is a good way to stop them from hating us. we can never afford enough armor. Patton didn’t have enough and look what he did.

    Arzie
    East Bethel, Minnesota
    Posts: 426
    #334580

    I agree with you on the public school thing to a point. My with is a special education teacher in one of the better districts in MN. But she still is swampped with students that need special services and usually doesn’t get home until after 6 and the students leave at 4:00. And all the district does is cut more teachers and paras. She deals mainly with ADD,ADHD,EBD and Autistic children from first grade on. The majority of the students come from homes where the parents do have enough time for the kids because thier working to have what little they have.

    I know it’s all sad and unfair, unfortunatly it’s the world we live in and we can only do some much.

    I know there are people out there that don’t have health insurance but just don’t know where to turn.

    I never intended for this to get so heated, but in a democracy, we can do that. I respect everyones opinion and enjoyed all the discussion. It’s good to know we have citizens that stick up for what they believe in.
    All I know now is my new year resolution is to not post anything like that again!!!
    God bless all of you and the victims of all the tragedies around the world.
    See you on the water!!

    gary_wellman
    South Metro
    Posts: 6057
    #334582

    I hear ya! I will never ever object to kids that need extra help in school.

    fishingdaskoal
    EauClaire WI
    Posts: 927
    #334595

    Well this Tsunami was small, so to say, only 100 feet high. The one that is predicted to hit the US, will be 600 or 700 feet high, and wipe out the east coast. If a piece of an African coast will fall , as predicted, will create a huge wave. The piece of land is only 100 yards maybe, and again, an earthquake will trigger it to fall. See what a 100 foot one can do. Now will we see 350 million from the area that just got hit now, even if they werent hit? I dunno.

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