Disgruntled Hunter or just plain simply insane???

Over here in Wisconsin on the second day of our gun deer season there is supposedly a hunter that is mad he got kicked off some private land up by Birchwood. All of this is unofficial right now, but the radio is saying a Hmong guy from Minnesota then returned to the land and started snipering the landowners!!! The radio had last stated that 5 people were dead, 8 wounded and 12 people still missing!!! Makes you wonder about some people that are in the woods with you doesn’t it!!!

Just saw something on this on the 5pm news. They said that reports were still coming in from the area. More at 10pm….news

very sad deal.

Is it alright to pray that this isn’t true and a terrable hoax?

I wish for them that is was a hoax but I just saw something about it on our local news

So that’s how it is…a life is worth a day in a tree stand….

Here’s the story …so far… Breaking News

The lastest is that a hunter was in a tree stand on private property and was asked to leave. He left and then came back and shot a person,that person then radioed the cabin and some more hunters came to help. They also were shot. 5 hunters died and three were wounded. At least they got him.

I do not care what race or religion a person is, this is NOT how you deal with that problem. I am still in shock about this and my prayers go out to the family and friends. The more I think about this the madder I get!

Briank, you are just alittle faster than I am.

In my opinion this is a good supporting case for the Death Penalty!! I definitelty don’t want my $$$$ used to keep him alive!!

Thoughts and prayers go out to the familys. I have never seen a deer that is worth a human life.

Simply Insane.

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I have never seen a deer that is worth a human life.

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or five lives.

I just came in and found this story, and this thread is all I’ve seen or read about this so far, but I truely hope that when you say they got him, it is because someone dropped him like a deer in its tracks!

Now that I’ve spouted off, I’m going to go back and read the news releases.

I don’t think…at least that I can remember anything like this happening in MN or WI before…As far as the Hmong community, I would bet that they are more outraged at these first reports as anyone else.

Jeffery Dommer wasn’t Hmong was he?

What is sickening is that he is a part of the human race.

The world we live in seems to get more and more out of control every day. No tree stand or deer could possibly justify the taking of human life. I find myself becoming more numb by the day to stories such as this. Whether on the inner city streets, or in the woods, life seems to lose it’s value every day. What could have been going through his mind, what could he have been thinking when he squeezed the trigger the first time, the second, third and so on. When do we draw the line? When do we stop letting the bottom feeders of our society control how we live. 50 years ago this would have never happened, period. What has changed so much that this could happen. It is time to stop the tolerating, and start doing something about it. For too long now we have been programmed to accept other people and cultures for “who” they are. B.S.!!!! Look what it has led to. The time for tolerance has passed, it is time to take back what was ours. To live without fear in our own homes, to be able to trust your neighbor. But now our neighbors don’t look like us, talk like us, or abide by the same value system we do. How much farther can we possibly slide into this melting pot of hell, when can we say enough is enough???? I am only 27 years old, I am sick with the thought of where this country is going, but what can I do. Take matters into my own hands?? Rebel against the instiution that has brought us this far?? Our society has a sickness, one that has to be cured. Not with government programs, or international aid. Perhaps the time has come for the common man, the one with the most to lose, to stand up and make his voice heard. To stand up for what “we” know is right. Perhaps I am a bit over the top, but I know most, if not all you guys are thinking about the same things I am. How bad does it have to get before something is done????

To be honest, I can’t believe this hasn’t already happened! The hmong’s have dissobeyed all hunting/fishing/trespass laws. They do as they please, and it’s always someone elses fault!

Hunting is a privelage! When someone shoots all song birds, animals out of season, and doesn’t believe in staying off someone elses property, that’s a major problem. The hmongs have ruined all State land. This is a disgrace and the do not deserve to hunt.

Regarding this idiot, he should be shot at point blank and left to die. An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth!

My prayers go out to the family and loved ones that have suffered this tragedy.

I just watched the first TV reports on this on the 9 PM news. They didn’t mention if this person was Hmong or not, but I’ll accept everyone elses word on that aspect. What they said that I had not heard yet was that this man was dressed in camo, not blaze orange, was carrying an assult rifle, and was shown out of the woods by 2 unsuspecting hunters who were unaware of what had happened, and thought they were just helping a lost hunter. The sheriff said it was probably a lucky thing for those 2 hunters that his gun was empty, or else who knows what would have happened.

What is there to be gained by doing something like this?

I agree with most of the above. I will after this year lose my private land due to the landowner selling and then be forced to hunt State land. Here it is overun with Hmong and not worth the time to hunt there . I would also like to hear the whole story before making any judgement on the Hmong. I immediately thought how did this guy shoot as many as he did before someone did something? If 1 person was shot already and the gun was pointed at me, I am not sure I could just let him pull the trigger. He already took 1 life so odds are he was in a panic and kept shooting. Why didn’t the others help?
Prayers will be sent to the families of the victims from this house.

My Great Grandfather never did learn english when he immigrated from Germany to MN.

If I recall my history correctly (and I did miss a few classes because I was fishing) Chief Little Crow (basicly) wanted his land back from white monkeybutts coming from Euroupe. There were a lot of “murders” by him and his people all he wanted was his land back…the way it was 50 years before …eventually we got him…just North of Hutchinson. After he was shot dead, a rope was tied to his neck and dragged into town. In fact he was drug up and down the main street until his head detached from the rest of his body.

I guess what I’m saying is…before you decide to take back what’s you’res, consider all points of view.

My prayers will be going out to the families of the victims…and yes in this case there are Hmong victims too.

Hey guys. Get off the backs of the Hmong people. How can you even think the actions of one person define the traits of a entire culture. Its hard to believe such anti social views still exsist and even harder to believe you would post them on a forum like this. I am all for freedom of speech but some of those special thoughts you guys have maybe should be kept to yourselves.
This is the watered down version of my thoughts James.

Mike you are a little more to the point…but right on target.

In fact, I had the pleasure to be in a boat right next to a guy that was caught with 400 plus walleyes over the limit this weekend.
I would never have known it, but the fellow who’s boat I was in said “HI POACHER!”

Can you believe it! He was a white guy! I thought it was just Hmongs that did that kinda thing.

I can see already that this is going to get ugly, but it is more than 1 Hmong leaving a sour taste in many mouths. I have worked next to some Hmong that were good honest people, but I have also seen the worst of them. If this were a white person, the anger would still be just the same. But since it isn’t a good ol boy, it seems to make it worse. No matter who it was, it is still a tragedy. What ticks me off even worse is how the media shoves the “assault” weapon down everyones throat. Not only were lives lost, now we have more fuel to the anti-gun fire

Hey Guys, being i live down here in Iowa i’ve never heard of the hmong, who are they?

No it’s not going to get ugly…because you just pointed it out to everyone reading…

There’s bad apples in every basket…just because you have a nice red Washington apple in your hand doesn’t mean there’s not a worm in there!

AND you are so correct about the “assult” weapon. In fact I heard one report saying he came back with an AUTOMATIC assault weapon.

The average non hunter/shooter and my MOM are thinking military weapons.

But what those people don’t get is…it doesn’t matter…there’s people dead…and lives ruined

I stopped hunting years ago due to trespassers and hunters with no concept of safety. It is no suprise to me that this has happened. I have long felt that just owning a gun does not make you a safe sportsman. I have to wonder if this person had a license to hunt or even a legal firearm. This is too much fuel for the antihunters as well as the antifirearms groups. I would hope all sportspersons and groups can come together and find a way to stop these kinds of things from happening. I also have to say that trespassing has become common place and those who do it know that the authorities do very little to curb it. I’m simply sickened and utterly disgusted at this tragedy! My heart goes out to the victims families!

MossyDan, the Hmongs were a mountain tribe from Laos. They supported the US during the VietNam war and were marked for extermination by the Commmunists. They were given refugee status by the USA after the war and several midwestern communities took them in.
My experiences from the Appleton, Wisc area are similar to what has been reported. However…as Brank said…(there are currently nearly a million Hmongs in this country.) Most of them law abiding citizens.
This guy should be prosecuted to the fullest for his heinous act, not the rest of the Hmongs.

He did have a license to hunt that is how they knew who he was. One of the victims wrote down his license # on the back of his jacket. My prayers go out to the victims and there families.

I agree Tom, this is one of those things that if hes prosicuted to the fullest extent his people will get the hint and control thier tempers. I know that these people are close knit like the ones down here in the Iowa City area and the word will spread quickly what happened to him, others will raise the eyebrow. Make an example of him so the others will follow. Im 53 and remember the hmong Tom and when they came to the U.S. and your right they would have been exterminated after the cleansing when the communists finally took over and killed millions. They are the same in Texas too, the government gave them interist free loans to buy shrimpboats and they kept everything and all sizes of shrimp weather legal or not. They ate the heads and tails and sold the rest, they eventually owned alot of the shrimp warfs and retail fish houses and restaurants on the gulf coast of Texas. I guess they come from a place where there is so many people that its get what you can and take all of it because it might be awhile befor it comes again because someone else might find it. Competetion for staying alive. Down here at the coralville dam when you catch a carp and throw it on the bank or in the fish can for rough fish they will go get it and ask for more if you catch anymore, its fruitfull but shows a person how competive it was with a large population but its no excuse for killing.

Anybody want to bet he gets away with it.Because he no understand!Ask your game warden,how many times he that?

Guys lets be careful here and not turn this into a race issue, it is not what we here at IDA are all about.

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Anybody want to bet he gets away with it.Because he no understand!Ask your game warden,how many times he that?

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Very good suggestion Steve.

This whole situation is very troubling. I recently completed hunter safety not because I am required but because I wanted to learn safe hunting practices. Not being a hunter but I want to become one, I have learned that in many states, it you want to get a nonresident license you have to go through hunter safety. It is obvious that this guy is out of state so does WI require hunter safety for non residents? If so this is just more reason for the prosecutors to nail this guy to the wall because obviuosly he didn’t follow basic hunter rules not to mention the respect for human life.

Sad day for safe hunters throughout the country.

Derek

Thanks Steve and I’m going to try to keep that in mind in my next and last post on this thread.

I knew a old guy that lived on a farm, he was born on that farm as the first generation to be born in America. He had the luxury of taking the his cows to the butcher shop (when he was younger, there wasn’t a butcher shop) as the family needed meat. I got to ride along with granpa once before he died. He expained to me that everything on a cow is used for something although now-a-days the butcher shop gives him cash for the things that are now called “by products”. This included everything from the head to the hooves. When we went home that day we had a wash tub with the tail, tongue and something else in it…can’t remember what. I would expect if Grampa lived next to the river his dad would have taught him the same thing about fishing…everything gets used. I know if Grampa were alive, he wouldn’t approve of filleting fish..there is way too much waste.

I fish the Croix a lot…this last summer I notice a couple boats fishing a bar. When I got closer I notice they were Hmong…I had a good conversationa with them…they told me what they were getting…end of story…until last week. Same place…two guys jigging and we trolled by maybe 60 feet away from them….they chewed our butts because of how close we came to them. I didn’t ask them if they were german, norwegian or even from Iowa…

By the 94 bridge we’ve been seeing goups of Hmongs fishing…the only place I’ve seen more people fishing in one area is the Redwing Dam area.

Oh ya, that’s differant…the people down there are all in boats and they all practice catch and release….Remember the fella in the post above nick named “Poacher”? I wonder if those 400 plus eyes were going to be used efficiantly…

Thank God GreatGrandfather came to America when he did.

It’s great to be in a free land where if I get tired of looking at something I can just toss it in the garbage

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