Eric Snowden

His name is Edward btw. That’s all for me today

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Is this Edwards brother?

Didn’t the revelations about the domestic spying they are doing come from what he did? I’ve also heard that although he stole millions of pages of top secret info, they don’t “think” he has released any of it to anyone. Wait, I think what I heard is he has not released it to any government, but some journalists are sifting through it?

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too late.. that is all…

OK, however Google shows both.

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He could have spilled this info and stayed right here to defend his actions. That would have made him somewhat honorable.

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And in the least, it would have made him a convict with a life sentence, and at the worst, a convict with a death sentence.

He is a stand up guy and if I could shake his hand rite now I would.Why is the government so pissed off at him if they were doing nothing that they thought was wrong?There isnt a senator,president or any top government official who gives a rip about any of you or me.It is all about them and their parties agenda to shape and mold us all into what they want us to be.We are losing freedoms at an alarming rate every day and the government will continue to go down that road until We The People have no freedom remaning,the government has way too much power rite now.Its up to We The People to change this or we will have no one but ourselves to blame.All Snowden did was try to WAKE people up as to what is happenning,unfortunately his revelations only caused a minor stir

The government has every right to listen to anyone’s phone calls, invade their phone, their home… with a warrant. Outside of that, it is against the laws they have created and swore to uphold. Who is the real culprit ???

I belive in some of his message involving invading privacy. But who is he to decide the extent that we can become a security state vs a free society. As far as free, that horse has left the barn long ago. Our soldiers are not fighting for freedom, they are fighting for national security, policies, and high political agendas. As for me I am willing to have my boring, law abiding life scrutinized so that I can board a plane in hopefully the greatest security available, go to work in a high rise without our own jets flying into them, go to crowded venues and not get blown up by some radical with a back pack. So onand so on.
I did watch the interview and respect his views even if I don’t agree, my problem is his tactics in releasing them and running overseas. I’m sure he could have retained a high profile lawyer and presented his concerns within the legal system.

I’ve become very disheartened with our Government, not Ruby Ridge like but very saddened. I believe it was the US’s goal to have him stuck in Hong Kong, which I think was his last stop before Russia.
If he feels exactly as expressed there’s no reason he shouldn’t hop on a plane back here, be a man and face the music. Another example of some chicken sh*t that performs an act with no regard for the reprucussions, man enough to shoot off his mouth but not man enough to stand behind it.
What some of our elected officials are doing to this country is in some ways just as bad.

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As for me I am willing to have my boring, law abiding life scrutinized so that I can board a plane in hopefully the greatest security available, go to work in a high rise without our own jets flying into them, go to crowded venues and not get blown up by some radical with a back pack. So onand so on.

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That’s exactly what they want you to think. Personally, I still believe in a reasonable expectation of privacy. That’s part of what our country was founded on. And I used to think like you back in the days not long after 911 when we found out they were listening to calls.

Freedom was fought for and won with many lives. I for one, do not want the government trampling on what others fought and died for. I have nothing to hide either, but sure as heck do not want some politician thinking he can scoff at the Constitution.

As far as the Feds. spying on me, all they would find is I love to fish, hunt and cook, been married for 37 years, have two successful sons, two beautiful grand children and I’m shopping for a new boat. So, if they catch some whack job planning to do harm to my country or family, so be it. I’ve got nothing to hide. As far as trying to take our guns, I really can’t see that happening, and if they did try, I’d really hate to see what might happen. I respect Snowden for doing what he thought was right, but as an American citizen, I believe he was wrong in how he handled it. Traitor is a strong accusation and if he is guilty of it, he should be punished accordingly.

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Oh it’s black and white. Since 9/11 and the Patriot Act the United States government has taken more liberties away from their citizens then nearly any other country. We are very near a police state.

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That I completely agree with. What the NSA was doing was absolutely wrong.
and for Snowden to be a whistleblower would be patriotic
HOWEVER, there are much better ways to go about it than how he did … thus the gray area

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So you guys don’t have any personal stuff, photos, records that you keep where only you or maybe you and your significant other know where they are? You know, private things? Would you be OK with the government keeping them?

Here is a little constitutional question, where did you find the founding fathers addressing ” the right to privacy”? And what were their words exactly? Yes there are ammendments, but what expectations of privacy did they describe?

I don’t worry that the government is going to take or keep anything from citizenry. I do worry that someone who has a limited education, never served this country, and decides to take some matters into his own hands and then runs and hides where he cannot be brought back to explain himself personally, can do so and jeopardize the entire country’s security.

As far as I am concerned, he’s a nut-less wonder and should be dealt with using the same type of elements he has accused the country of using. Maybe someone should slip Vladamir an email saying that Snowden was indeed a spy and worked in the Soviet Union stealing sensitive Soviet information.

The only thing this country owes him is to make certain that his punishment is enough to act as a deterrent to anyone in the future who has similar ideas. Bang….that should do it.

I didn’t mention the constitution. You made that leap. Our laws are based on reasonable expectations of privacy. All countries are founded on their laws.

So are you suggesting we should expect no privacy where the government is concerned. Can they put cameras in your house, bathroom, bedroom and you won’t bat an eye?

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I don’t worry that the government is going to take or keep anything from citizenry. I do worry that someone who has a limited education, never served this country, and decides to take some matters into his own hands and then runs and hides where he cannot be brought back to explain himself personally, can do so and jeopardize the entire country’s security.

As far as I am concerned, he’s a nut-less wonder and should be dealt with using the same type of elements he has accused the country of using. Maybe someone should slip Vladamir an email saying that Snowden was indeed a spy and worked in the Soviet Union stealing sensitive Soviet information.

The only thing this country owes him is to make certain that his punishment is enough to act as a deterrent to anyone in the future who has similar ideas. Bang….that should do it.

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Whether he is right or wrong coming back to the US is not a realistic option.

He would not get a fair trial.

He would spend the rest of his life in prison, period.

I don’t blame him one bit for staying in Russia… again whether he did right or wrong aside… staying in Russia is his only realistic option.

Whereas the main part of the Constitution spells out the few things that government may do or must do, the ten amendments of the Bill of Rights spell out what government may not do. For example:

The government can’t search or seize your property without due process of law,

It can’t keep you in jail indefinitely without a trial,

It can’t enact laws abridging the freedom of speech or religion, or infringing on the right to keep and bear arms.

And various other prohibitions on government activity are spelled out.

The ninth and tenth amendments were included to make absolutely sure there was no misunderstanding about the limited powers the Constitution grants to the federal government.

Amendment IX:

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Amendment X:

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

Now, where’s the right to privacy?

It is clearly in those two amendments.

The government has no power to tell people what to do except in areas specifically authorized in the Constitution.

That means it has no right to tell people whether or not they can engage in homosexual acts; no right to invade our privacy; no right to manage our health-care system; no right to tell us what a marriage is; no right to run our lives; no right to do anything that wasn’t specifically authorized in the Constitution.

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The only thing this country owes him is to make certain that his punishment is enough to act as a deterrent to anyone in the future who has similar ideas. Bang….that should do it.

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Curious Tom, are you willing to pull the trigger or would you expect someone else to do it?

The concept of “whistleblower” is celebrated in our country, particularly in the last 5 years. I agree he possibly could have done a way better job exposing the government’s problems but he is a “whistleblower”. I agree he put many lives in danger and that is the only part of what he did that upsets me. He does not deserve to be shot.

Half of our government deserves to be shot more than him.

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The only thing this country owes him is to make certain that his punishment is enough to act as a deterrent to anyone in the future who has similar ideas. Bang….that should do it.

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Curious Tom, are you willing to pull the trigger or would you expect someone else to do it?

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Loaded question here so I’ll let you speculate.

Lets not play judge, jury, executioner. Lets stay in the confines of the original question.

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Whereas the main part of the Constitution spells out the few things that government may do or must do, the ten amendments of the Bill of Rights spell out what government may not do. For examplje:

The government can’t search or seize your property without due process of law,

It can’t keep you in jail indefinitely without a trial,

It can’t enact laws abridging the freedom of speech or religion, or infringing on the right to keep and bear arms.

And various other prohibitions on government activity are spelled out.

The ninth and tenth amendments were included to make absolutely sure there was no misunderstanding about the limited powers the Constitution grants to the federal government.

Amendment IX:

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Amendment X:

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

Now, where’s the right to privacy?

It is clearly in those two amendments.

The government has no power to tell people what to do except in areas specifically authorized in the Constitution.

That means it has no right to tell people whether or not they can engage in homosexual acts; no right to invade our privacy; no right to manage our health-care system; no right to tell us what a marriage is; no right to run our lives; no right to do anything that wasn’t specifically authorized in the Constitution.

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I agree with the areas actually stated in those amendments, but it seems some people add their personal priorities to the list of privacies and confuse them with rights. I would be willing to bet that the founding fathers were not much philosophically different than our more recent leaders. Old G W. after winning the revolutionary war probably spied on more new Americans doing everything to ensure the spoils of his win would not be compromised by as few as possible potential subversives and traitors to the new nation. Our past has never been lilly white, we’ve always done what has needed to be done at the time being.

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For those of you who give the government a blessing or a pass on this breach of the constitution just remember that your firearms may well be next on the list.

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I am not worried about guns being taken…. when they knock on your door and demand your firearms, when you have done nothing wrong…. we know what that will lead to. America will follow suit.
There are very few officers that would go door to door and take weapons from law abiding citizens. I believe its Connecticut where all citizens are to REGISTER rifles and high capacity magazines… I think the numbers are something like 2.4 million un-registered by the due date and 38000 magazines/guns have been registered. If they are going to take guns they will start in Connecticut using this law thats already in effect but no one is following.

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. I’ve got nothing to hide. As far as trying to take our guns, I really can’t see that happening, and if they did try, I’d really hate to see what might happen.

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I don’t worry that the government is going to take or keep anything from citizenry.

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They’ll never come for our guns…. tell the residents of New Orleans that.

Katrina Gun Confiscation

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They who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety

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– Benjamin Franklin; November 11th, 1755

Lets not forget all the phone calls they tapped into while they listened to people like Angela Merchael the prime minister of Germany, supposed to be a close ally then, how do the people of Germany feel about what happened now, probably about the same as if they were listen in on the president of the United States.

He also said in the interview last night that in a federal court room he couldn’t testify in his own behalf or say anything in his own defense or he said he might come home to defend himself. He in other words said it would be a military court room with him being able to say very little to defend himself. He also said the people that run the NSA are mostly all good honest people, everybody except the top sayso’s. If thats the case how come other countries presidents were listened in on, for fun?

After making many complaints and the memorandums he sent to various departments and all those heads of those departments said was we can’t do anything about it, when everyone in those depts. knew it was an invasion of privacy. I thought the NSA listened into supposed and computer targeted conversations of possible terrorists, I guess they considered Angela Merchael a terrorist.

When Ruprt Merdoch can listen in on the queen of Englands conversations and find out things even befor other family members did, what do you think the papers that Snowden and the information he had contained, canning recipes? I think Snowden blew the whistle like some executives in some companies were encouraged to do, What?, aren’t all whistle blowers supposed to be treated the same. He also said he didn’t let any very sensitive information be seen by the wrong eyes. I agree with the people who think the government has gotten so big they think they can do what they want, when they want, I wonder how close our allies are now?

When it comes to things like this I think about our past Republican president Dwight Eisenhower and what he said, the most dangerous machine in the world is our own military complex, he warned us, look it up. Could they be like the supposed big banks that were considered to big to fail? You got to remember Dwight Eisenhower was a general in WW2 and he knew what security was and how it should operate.

Have you ever considered that gun sales went through the roof after 9-11 because when evidence started coming out about what happened, alot of those guys were buying guns just incase someone was trying to push their agenda in America and those gun owners were planning ahead. Maybe those gun owners thought that the government was getting to big or other things were happening.

I know its alot to think about but I’ll side with Eisenhower for now, atleast he knew what he was talking about, does our past 20 years of government? Some of the evidence seems to point otherwise.

Anyone can speculate, but since it isn’t fact, it doesn’t exactly support your argument. I can just as easily say Washington was so oppressed by the throne he made sure there was no domestic spying.

I am not applying my own expectations of privacy, I an applying an expectation of privacy afforded to me by law.

Since we are talking about spying, we probably will never know the extent of the spying by the nature of spying.

Collecting meta data phone calls and running it through algorithms may or may not have been the tip of the iceberg or maybe it was. The fact it has happened is enough for me to give pause. I personally don’t think anyone should give government the benefit of doubt. I think that is dangerous.

For those who think the TSA does a stand up job and you have no problem with them, I suspect you haven’t had to deal with them personally.

My mother in law was pulled into an interrogation room on her way back from a mother daughter trip from the Dominican Republic. Apparently a 60 year old women traveling with three other women is a red flag. She spent at least an hour in there and was shaken up by the whole ordeal. But hey, if people feel safer because of it, that sort of behavior is A OK.

I actually have no problem with them listening to foreigners calls… they are not me, a US citizen. If they want to listen to my calls, then get a warrant required by our laws. I have no problem spying on suspected terrorists. That is where the biggest egg on the face landed in this whole thing… how the NSA was listening to allies phone conversations etc… Is there international laws about this ??? I don’t know so…..

#1, The government does not have to take our guns, has anyone bought ammo. lately?
#2 Snowden should be a wake up call.

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The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated

While I personally feel bad for what happened to her on an individual basis, here is my overall take. If I were a terrorist and was watching the patterns of the TS A and notice& they never searched 60 year old white women, that would be my goal finding one to subvert the security system either with them knowing or unknowingly. If I were to analyze their procedures and see that nobody is safe from search, that would make it harder. Also remember that the TS A isn’t just searching for bombs, but also other contraband.