Line Stretch Test (Its been a long winter)

  • FryDog62
    Posts: 3696
    #1357424

    Most times I fish with braid and a fluorocarbon leader so that I get solid hook sets when using plastics and spinnerbaits for smallmouth or even when jigging for walleyes. I like the sensitivity and low stretch of braid to set the hook with confidence. The fluorocarbon leader provides less visibility and a faster sink rate.

    However, I do usually have at least one rod set up though without braid and I have been in pursuit of the best all round line for that purpose (I may never get there, but worth trying out different products). For me, one of the biggest factors is finding a line that is sensitive and LOW stretch. I get frustrated either not feeling light bites or worse yet, missing strikes on longer casts because the line is so stretchy.

    Its amazing to me at how many line manufacturers tout their product as “low stretch” yet there is very little if any specifications that prove this. I have seen Tackle Tour’s tests (http://www.tackletour.com/reviewfpiintropg2.html) but wanted to test some of my own lines that I personally use.

    Okay, its been a long boring winter… so I decided to set up my own test to see what I could find out (far from the sophistication of Berkley’s labs or Steve Pennaz’s “Knot Wars,” but it was helpful to me). I tested nine different 8 pound test lines (which is the size I typically use for plastics, jigging, etc). I used a 12 foot piece of line (I am limited to the height of my vaulted ceiling) and hung an 8 pound weight to see how much each line stretched in inches. Below are the results from least stretch to most stretch. I found the results interesting and a little bit surprising too:

    1) Berkley XT (monofilament) – stretched 21 1/4 inches

    2) Yozuri Hybrid (co-polymer) – 22 1/8

    3) Maxima Treazure (co-polymer) – 24 1/2

    4) Berkley XL (monofilament) – 24 3/4

    5) Gamma Touch (fluorocarbon) – 29 1/4

    6) Gamma Edge (fluorocarbon) – 31 inches*

    7) Bass Pro XPS (fluorocarbon) – 31 3/4

    8) Seaguar Tatsu (fluorocarbon) – 32 3/4

    9) Berkley 100% (fluorocarbon) – 38 3/8

    A couple revelations for me:

    -I have heard the statement for years that fluorocarbon has less stretch than monofilament. Wow, was I surprised to see these results.

    -I was also surprised how low stretch Both Berkely monfilament lines were. I had always liked XT but had moved away from using it in recent years because of my perception other lines would stretch less.

    -Two lines that are probably marketed the hardest for being low-stretch are the two co-polymer lines (Yo-Zuri Hybrid and Maxima Treazure) and for the most part lived up to it in this test.

    -There is probably some correlation that thicker diameter lines stretch less. Although these were all 8 pound test lines, 3 were a little thicker than the others (Berkley XT, Yo-zuri Hybrid and Gamma Edge) and 2 of them had the lowest stretch.

    -Interesting that 2 lines broke during this test. Bass Pro’s XPS broke once but worked the second time. Surprising to me the Gamma Edge measurement of 31 inches is only my estimate as the line snapped just above the knot 3 different times!

    So, my conclusion from all this is if I want lower stretch and potentially higher strength, I’ll use either Berkley XT or Yo-zuri Hybrid. If I need a faster sink rate and potentially less visibility, I’ll probably use Gamma Touch fluorocarbon as a leader on braid.

    flatfish
    Rochester, MN
    Posts: 2105
    #1398026

    Nice work. Very interesting. Those results surprise me as well. I am wonder if you had the chance to test Berk XT mono against Berk XT Fluoro? That would be a true test of mono vs fluoro being the same manufacturer…. either way, that is way more stretch than I ever imagined for any of those.

    FryDog62
    Posts: 3696
    #1398029

    The 3 lines from Berkley I tested were XT (mono), XL (mono) and Berkley 100% Fluorocarbon. The fluorocarbon was so stretchy, the weight almost hit the floor…

    Tom P.
    Whitehall Wi.
    Posts: 3526
    #1398030

    I had used Berkly XT Solar for years when they discontinued it I was depressed after that I went to strictly braid. Now I see Berkly is resurrecting XT I will have to pick some up to find out in hand if it truly the same as the old XT.

    sauger
    Hastings ,MN
    Posts: 2442
    #1398032

    Your test just showed why I always go back to xt!!

    Mike Stephens
    WI.
    Posts: 1722
    #1398034

    Very cool and interesting observations. I wonder how the Stren mono products would test. I’d even send you the line if you’d like to try? And indeed it has been a terribly long winter. I’m respooling reels in between typing.

    nhamm
    Inactive
    Robbinsdale
    Posts: 7348
    #1398036

    How long did you let them sit before measuring the stretch?

    FryDog62
    Posts: 3696
    #1398038

    The lines definitely did settle and stretch a little further after the first 15-30 seconds or so. Most lines virtually stopped at approx 60 seconds and that is where I made the measurement. They would probably stretch further over time, but I was afraid being right at the 8 pound limit, the lines would snap (which both Gamma and XPS did).

    flatfish
    Rochester, MN
    Posts: 2105
    #1398042

    I was thinking to buy some XT fluoro but now I’m not so sure about it.

    nhamm
    Inactive
    Robbinsdale
    Posts: 7348
    #1398067

    That’s a really simple and cool test, thanks for posting. Makes a guy want to go home and conduct his own with some of his own lines.

    briansmude
    Posts: 184
    #1398088

    Thanks for sharing that is some awsome information and very interesting results. If you want to test more line I would love to see how p line and my personal favorite, cabelas pro line would test out. I swicthed to co polymer a few years back because I thought it stretched a lot less but maybe its all in my head.

    belletaine
    Nevis, MN
    Posts: 5116
    #1398094

    If you tried the test with Fireline I wonder if the ceiling would cave in.
    That’s pretty cool! thanks for posting it!

    kwp
    Eden Prairie
    Posts: 857
    #1398122

    Great post…I love data.

    Big conclusion here is also flourocarbon is not “less stretch” as always advertised. In fact, it has more stretch than mono based on your data. I noticed this the first time I tried Invisix flour. Amazing how this stuff streches. Tackle tour did a similar analysis but they measured stretch as a % vs. distance like you did. Either way, flourocarbon is stretchy. I’ll bet if you did the same experiement with Invisix would would find it stretches the most. According to Tackletour it stetches 13%.

    http://www.tackletour.com/reviewfluorocarbon2.html

    Not sure what your sample size was (how many times it was repeated for each line type) but it would be interesting if you did a t-test on the data.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Pd3dc1GcHc

    Randy Wieland
    Lebanon. WI
    Posts: 13478
    #1398126

    Very cool I did a similar test a few years ago with all mono. Interesting results, wish I had thought to test the floro along with them

    milemark_714
    Posts: 1287
    #1398135

    Quote:


    I had used Berkly XT Solar for years when they discontinued it I was depressed after that I went to strictly braid. Now I see Berkly is resurrecting XT I will have to pick some up to find out in hand if it truly the same as the old XT.


    If you liked the old solar XT,you will not be disappointed with the new stuff.I found some at Fleet,and worked very good,even in cold water.

    tomr
    cottage grove, mn
    Posts: 1275
    #1398138

    Very interesting and thanks for sharing

    moler02
    Iowa, Knoxville
    Posts: 525
    #1398142

    Home Run

    Bullet21XD
    Posts: 174
    #1398204

    It’s been a common misconception that fluoro doesn’t stretch, forever. I believe it also has higher elastic properties, and returns to it’s original state faster. One reason fluoro, if taken care of, will last a very long time compared to mono.

    Oddly enough, the two lines you had the worst results with, are what i’d consider the best two lines you have listed. I’ve been “testing” fluoros for a while now, and BPS is damn good line. I have gone to Gamma Edge exclusively. Break offs are a thing of the past. Holds a Palomar knot well. And, has a finish that holds up better than anything else i’ve tried.

    While some may view stretch as a bad thing, and some may be surprised by the results of a test like this, it really doesn’t matter in any way regarding fishing. Another common misconception would be line that stretches less is more sensitive, which the test disproves. So with that, it all just doesn’t matter.

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #1398215

    Less stretch means I have to pull a snagged line to the front of my boat one less time before it either breaks off or pulls out.

    I love the stretch of Team Catfish Electric Lime 25 pound mono but won’t use it in snaggy areas. I’m afraid of it turning into a sling shot with a 4 oz marble projectile.

    But back to the main stream walleye topic… generally speaking doesn’t a person want a faster (stiffer) rod with a line that stretches? And a more flexible rod for stiff line?

    trumar
    Rochester, Mn
    Posts: 5967
    #1398216

    Quote:


    But back to the main stream walleye topic… generally speaking doesn’t a person want a faster (stiffer) rod with a line that stretches? And a more flexible rod for stiff line?


    Brian,In most cases I have heard that to be true,Tho I had conversation at Everts one day with a very good walleye guide and he told me that while dragging jigs/plastic with MLXF rod to use mono,it gives the fish more time to take the bait before the fisherman feels it and sets the hook.With hard line on you tend to set the hook to quick and pull the bait right outta the fishes mouth.

    Makes perfect sense to me

    BBKK
    IA
    Posts: 4033
    #1398297

    Quote:


    But back to the main stream walleye topic… generally speaking doesn’t a person want a faster (stiffer) rod with a line that stretches? And a more flexible rod for stiff line?


    Generally speaking, yes. But like anything, it depends on the circumstances. Like saying “doesn’t a person want a soft rod for catfishing?”.

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