EMINENT DOMAIN. Spring Lake Mn

  • kooty
    Keymaster
    1 hour 15 mins to the Pond
    Posts: 18101
    #1389812

    My love for our government continues to grow and grow.

    jon_jordan
    St. Paul, Mn
    Posts: 10908
    #1389817

    I gotta agree. That land is worth a lot more than $370k. If they don;t want to sell, it’s priceless.

    -J.

    Mike W
    MN/Anoka/Ham lake
    Posts: 13294
    #1389821

    Not sure what to make of that story. County coming in to take my little slice of heaven? Think I would be stock piling guns and ammo. On the other hand from what I have seen of that property from the river the current owners dont seem to be showing it the love they claim to have for it. Leaves me to wonder if they not just holding out for more money. $370k to 10 acres of river front seems a little cheap .

    Still have to side with the property owners on this. Turn the place into a grave yard before you come steal my land.

    kooty
    Keymaster
    1 hour 15 mins to the Pond
    Posts: 18101
    #1389825

    As long as they aren’t letting toxic waste run into the river, do what you want. 10 acres of river front property for $370k, BS. How anyone can support the government take over of someone’s property is beyond me.

    tomr
    cottage grove, mn
    Posts: 1277
    #1389828

    I agree the park would be nice but not at the price of taking it from an unwilling seller. Government should not be able to come in and take your property.

    Randy Wieland
    Lebanon. WI
    Posts: 13478
    #1389830

    Amazing what they can do and how the courts typically side with the plaintiff in these cases. I understand that there is a need for eminent claims, buts way out of hand and used too dam easily. Went through this a few years ago with a pipeline going through our neighborhood. 36″ gas line with a 900 foot blast zone 300 feet from my house. His claim” once it’s in the ground everyone will forget about it. Take the offer or we file eminent domain and you’ll get next to nothing”

    slipbobnick
    MN
    Posts: 115
    #1389831

    pisses me right off. definitley makes you think slippery slope where does it end?

    definitley need to get the local reps involved and create as much attention as possible.

    DaveB
    Inver Grove Heights MN
    Posts: 4469
    #1389839

    The Daytons had a big complex on Vermilion, I am sure people would like a park there too.

    Grouse_Dog
    The Shores of Lake Harriet
    Posts: 2043
    #1389842

    The sisters do admit the property has fallen into disrepair since their father died, but they do want to clean it up and have dreams of living there again. Both told Fox 9 News that they are willing to part with a couple of acres for the park and trail, but the county wants it all.

    I am sure this is BS –

    Fallen in disrepair, lately? Give me a break. I bet the place hasn’t been touched for 4 years.

    Too bad we don’t have “eye sore” laws where if you let the place go into complete disrepair – they do take it over and improve the property to the benefit of the neighbors that actually take care of their property.

    If it is worth $1.3M – hit them with the valuation for their property tax. It will be gone – once they get the bill.

    I would prefer to see both sides of the story – rather then reading some news story that needs a victim to be newsworthy.

    2 cents

    Dog

    Grouse_Dog
    The Shores of Lake Harriet
    Posts: 2043
    #1389847

    PROPERTY ID: 30-03700-00-080
    Tax Description:

    AUDITORS SUBDIVISION NO 45

    8

    ALL OF LOTS 1-2 & 3 & PT OF
    TAXPAYER: NANCY ANN DREWS
    Payable 2012

    Payable 2013
    TARA ANN MAUCH
    Estimated Market Value:

    263,800

    250,900
    13493 HILARY PATH

    HASTINGS MN 55033
    Homestead Exclusion:

    10,464

    0

    Taxable Market Value:

    253,336

    250,900

    New Imp/Expired Excl:

    0

    0

    Property Class:

    RESD HSTD

    RES NON HSTD

    jon_jordan
    St. Paul, Mn
    Posts: 10908
    #1389848

    This property is no more run down that many cabins up north. They have no neighbors. Only way to see the property is from a boat. To me, it’s a dream location. Lakeshore with a harbor and acreage. Easily worth a million plus to any developer who wants to put McMansions up on the property.

    These people should be left alone if they don’t want to sell.

    -J.

    mplspug
    Palmetto, Florida
    Posts: 25026
    #1389851

    This is all I need to know:

    Quote:


    Mississippi River near Hastings where the county wants to build a bike trail.


    This is monkeybuttizing the eminent domain rule. And it can be the perfect tool to wield one’s desires onto others by forcing them out for the “common” good.

    Personally I think eminent domain should only be used for infrastructure be it road, rail, gas lines, etc.

    Grouse_Dog
    The Shores of Lake Harriet
    Posts: 2043
    #1389852

    I agree that they shouldn’t have to sell –

    I am just saying they should be careful with $1.3M and letting the property go to eyesore state.

    Seems like they want their cake and eat it too.

    Dog

    PS – I would like the place for my river cabin….:)

    lhprop1
    Eagan
    Posts: 1899
    #1389853

    A bike path or a park should not fall under eminent domain. It is a luxury, not a necessity.

    suzuki
    Woodbury, Mn
    Posts: 18625
    #1389855

    Quote:


    This is all I need to know:

    Quote:


    Mississippi River near Hastings where the county wants to build a bike trail.


    This is monkeybuttizing the eminent domain rule. And it can be the perfect tool to wield one’s desires onto others by forcing them out for the “common” good.

    Personally I think eminent domain should only be used for infrastructure be it road, rail, gas lines, etc.


    Agreed. A park and hiking path is not vital. Buy them out at their price or back off.

    jon_jordan
    St. Paul, Mn
    Posts: 10908
    #1389856

    Quote:


    Seems like they want their cake and eat it too.


    Sounds like the American Dream, Huh?

    -J.

    nhamm
    Inactive
    Robbinsdale
    Posts: 7348
    #1389866

    This seems to be a bittersweet from your guys details. Anytime the government takes anything over its a tragedy, but what if a developer does come in, and make Mcmansions and our water ways become that much filthier from the lawn chems, cause we all know rich people like their huge green lawns weed free. I’d rather have bike paths and parks setup to keep the waters as decent as possible from the impending construction that will eventually fall to all waterfront one day. Maybe being proactive and getting the property now is a good thing. Price does seem a bit low.

    Tom Sawvell
    Inactive
    Posts: 9559
    #1389872

    Quote:


    Personally I think eminent domain should only be used for infrastructure be it road, rail, gas lines, etc.


    Roads, sewer, water…..I’ll buy that. The railroads? Forget it. They don’t need any help but they do need to have some rules imposed and be forced to tighten up their ship.

    Instead of taking away this property, why doesn’t the state step up and tell the county they can’t just make a park on a whim out of someone else’s property unless said property is willed to the county.

    And on eminent domain period….why not use it to take control over Mille Lacs, Red Lake and other indian owned lands that WE are paying for.

    mplspug
    Palmetto, Florida
    Posts: 25026
    #1389876

    That’s called giving up and being unfair. I’d rather see a developer come in and pay them off and put McMansions up. Then the city will have extra money to build bike paths somewhere else from the new revenue. As it stands, they are taking away revenue and adding cost.

    crawdaddy
    St. Paul MN
    Posts: 1606
    #1389881

    Since they already bought Bud’s Landing, why don’t they just go ahead with the boat ramp and finish the bike path phase of the project later, when the owners decide to sell. I’m sure it’ll happen sooner or later.

    mplspug
    Palmetto, Florida
    Posts: 25026
    #1389883

    Because the boat ramp was just to gain wider support by drawing in boat owners. This project is really for the granola crowd.

    suzuki
    Woodbury, Mn
    Posts: 18625
    #1389884

    It would be nice to follow this all the way back to the individual(s) pushing it from Hastings and find out what their motivation is because I’m curious what would drive someone to forcibly take another’s land in this situation.
    My guess is simple vanity.

    desperado
    Posts: 3010
    #1389891

    Quote:


    I’m curious what would drive someone to forcibly take another’s land in this situation.
    My guess is simple vanity.


    hmmmm, let’s see; the stance of the county is basically this …
    We have determined a usage for this land which is better than (and more important than) the way in which the OWNERS are using it; therefor, we should force such usage upon the owners.
    Ya, “vanity” might be a good word.

    rvvrrat
    The Sand Prairie
    Posts: 1840
    #1389892

    The use of eminent domain is being used in other places in the state. In the case sited below Olmsted County wants to impose it on 47 parcels! If you read this article you can see the local township is taking a closer look at the imposition. If you own property on, in, or near woods or water you should take note of these actions. Who knows where ED will be used next?

    Root River Park

    suzuki
    Woodbury, Mn
    Posts: 18625
    #1389913

    Quote:


    The use of eminent domain is being used in other places in the state. In the case sited below Olmsted County wants to impose it on 47 parcels! If you read this article you can see the local township is taking a closer look at the imposition. If you own property on, in, or near woods or water you should take note of these actions. Who knows where ED will be used next?

    Root River Park


    They could couple it with the threat of AIS and remove boat landings.

    Chris Raymond
    Keweenaw Peninsula, MI
    Posts: 514
    #1389918

    ED (no not that sort of ED) for “public use” is bad enough. I really get steamed when they use ED based upon “wider/greater economic benefit” and award property ownership to another commercial entity, that’s bonfire and pitchfork time in my opinion.

    carroll58
    Twin Cities, USA
    Posts: 2094
    #1389940

    In Carver County, they (The Board of Commissioners) Will NOT use Eminent Domain for buying Park Land.

    Really only used for Road & Bridge Projects. Then, only as a last resort to keep the Road/Bridge Construction on schedule.

    IMHO, even if the parcel was vacant, it would still fetch over $1 million on the open market, probably closer to $4-$5 million.

    A good friend sold his 3/4 acre double lot on Lake Minnetonka with a tear down home for $2 million to a neighbor that owned the McMansion next door.

    From Google Earth and other views of this property I would think they could easily get $2 million per lot with 3-4 lots out of this parcel.

    Hope the family/Sisters win this battle

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