Just saw this on the news ticker. Johnny Manziel has filed his paperwork to enter the next draft.
The next franchise elite QB? Or flash in the football pan who won’t make the transition to the bigger/badder/faster/more complex pro game?
Is he the new #1 of the Vikings wish list?
Discuss.
Grouse
He’s not a Cam Newton or Russell Wilson but he’s also not a Tim Tebow. He’ll be ok after a little grooming on what an NFL QB needs to be, but he won’t be the immediate answer to ANY teams QB problems.
Another year or two of college ball would have matured him alot and would have made him a better player IMHO.
Only time will tell.
It’s cold up here. No chance for him to migrate north.
Gundy
The hard thing to guess with this style qb is more what will they look like in their second year. This style QB tends to have a good 1st year, but really falls off the second (wether the rest of the NFL just figures them out or due to injury etc…) That 3rd year to me is where you tell what they’ll be. Cam Newton for example, looked poor last year after a stellar rookie season, but has sprung back this year. Russel Wilson had a great 2nd season, so I would expect more of the same.
RGIII was riddled by injury and still leaves me wondering. I see Johnny Football having a good year, then really hitting the sophmore slump hard.
I’m predicting he will be a bust for too many reasons to list here. Simply put, he is not what NFL coaches are looking for. He likely get drafted early because some owner or GM just won’t be able to resist. His style of play and lack of size and arm strength just will not work in the NFL.
Unless the vikings move up 3 or 4 spots in the draft there is no chance that he will be a Viking. if a team can keep him out of trouble ( Not sure that will be possible ) he would be a great franchise QB.
Awfully short for the NFL so not a pocket passer. He sure does some magical things outside the pocket though which helps to keep linebackers from dropping back into coverage. Worth a shot for some team…RR
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I’m predicting he will be a bust for too many reasons to list here. Simply put, he is not what NFL coaches are looking for. He likely get drafted early because some owner or GM just won’t be able to resist. His style of play and lack of size and arm strength just will not work in the NFL.
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…oh and his girlfiend is hot! 
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Is he kind of another Tim Tebow type? I havn’t seen much of him. Seems like mixed opinions. Some of these guys just don’t make transition.
He will get the $10 million signing bonus and a few million a year for a few years. Then he disappears like Tiebow with his hot girlfriend until he runs out of money, lands in jail and she drops him like a Kardashian.
I hope this doesn’t happen but that’s my guess.
I think you will see Tebow on someone’s NFL roster next spring.
He was just on A ESPN script about retraining with Trent Dillfer.
As an interesting sidenote, all the major scouting services are currently ranking Manziel ABOVE AJ McCarron. And some have him as high as #2 in the QB rankings. The lowest ranking I could find has him at #5 in the QB rankings.
I’m surprised he came out as one of the major critisims of him has been size and maturity. But I suppose the lure of the big $$$ can only be resisted for so long when you’re one injury away from getting $0.
Obviously, Houston will grab Bridgewater. Beyond that, all bets on QB’s and everything else are wide open because there is so much depth out there.
I had to dig really deep before I found a reputable scouting service that even has the Vikes taking a QB in round 1 considering the other players who will be available.
Vikes deal Peterson to Houston to trade up to #1 and grab Bridgewater and then grab another top plaer with their regular pick. Anyone else see it? Or do they hold off and hope there are still QBs like Manziel left in the second round?
Man, there’s a lot of talent out there in this draft. Fans to Vikings management: Don’t #### it up!
Grouse
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Unless the vikings move up 3 or 4 spots in the draft there is no chance that he will be a Viking. if a team can keep him out of trouble ( Not sure that will be possible ) he would be a great franchise QB.
As a Viking fan I dont think hes the guy we want. Way too much ego. Roll Cassel another year then hopefully we can draft famous Jameis. Go Noles national champs baby! Manziel punishes himself too much running the ball and I just dont think he will last long in the NFL. The guy can make all the throws though and has a very good arm. The problem is that he knows that too and has an incredibly big head on him if you catch my drift and with us undoubtebly having a new inexperienced nfl coach manziel won’t be able to be controlled here.
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As an interesting sidenote, all the major scouting services are currently ranking Manziel ABOVE AJ McCarron. And some have him as high as #2 in the QB rankings. The lowest ranking I could find has him at #5 in the QB rankings.
I’m surprised he came out as one of the major critisims of him has been size and maturity. But I suppose the lure of the big $$$ can only be resisted for so long when you’re one injury away from getting $0.
Obviously, Houston will grab Bridgewater. Beyond that, all bets on QB’s and everything else are wide open because there is so much depth out there.
I had to dig really deep before I found a reputable scouting service that even has the Vikes taking a QB in round 1 considering the other players who will be available.
Vikes deal Peterson to Houston to trade up to #1 and grab Bridgewater and then grab another top plaer with their regular pick. Anyone else see it? Or do they hold off and hope there are still QBs like Manziel left in the second round?
Man, there’s a lot of talent out there in this draft. Fans to Vikings management: Don’t #### it up!
Grouse
Houston wouldn’t trade him to the Vikings unless the Vikings throw in another #1 or #2. They will trade down but the Vikings are to far down there at #8 to do them any good. I will be surprised if Bridgewater is taken higher then 10 or so. He doesn’t have the bulk to hold up to the NFL pounding I don’t think. Some think the top 2 rated quarterbacks will be Carr and the kid at Central Florida. If that turns out to be correct then you have some o lineman rated 2nd now and the d line kid at South Carolina. So that drops Manziel, Bridgewater to at least 6.
Grouse, I agree with trading AP. He’s fun to watch and a great talent but it’s a passing league. I think we would be fine with Gerhart. Every team that has won the Super Bowl since AP was drafted has done it without him.
The question is was this year the beginning of the end for Peterson. He obviously has more in the tank but 2012 might have been the pinnacle.
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He likely get drafted early because some owner or GM just won’t be able to resist. His style of play and lack of size and arm strength just will not work in the NFL.
Exactly what I was thinking.
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Grouse, I agree with trading AP. He’s fun to watch and a great talent but it’s a passing league. I think we would be fine with Gerhart. Every team that has won the Super Bowl since AP was drafted has done it without him.
The question is was this year the beginning of the end for Peterson. He obviously has more in the tank but 2012 might have been the pinnacle.
The reality for the Vikings is that the road is too long for Peterson to do anything more for them than he already has. The reality is that the Vikings have too many problems to solve before they can be a contending team that has the other parts necessary to take advantage of a Grade A ground game that Peterson brings. So why fly a depreciating asset into the ground?
In NFL years, he is now middle aged and playing on borrowed time. I say deal him to move up. It might seem like “getting nothing” for the MVP, but the reality is that he is the present and the Vikings need to buy the future.
Grouse
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I think you will see Tebow on someone’s NFL roster next spring.
He was just on A ESPN script about retraining with Trent Dillfer.
That wouldn’t shock me. A lot of NFL teams are desperate for a QB, but he’s done. He is not an NFL quarterback.
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Grouse, I agree with trading AP. He’s fun to watch and a great talent but it’s a passing league. I think we would be fine with Gerhart. Every team that has won the Super Bowl since AP was drafted has done it without him.
The question is was this year the beginning of the end for Peterson. He obviously has more in the tank but 2012 might have been the pinnacle.
The reality for the Vikings is that the road is too long for Peterson to do anything more for them than he already has. The reality is that the Vikings have too many problems to solve before they can be a contending team that has the other parts necessary to take advantage of a Grade A ground game that Peterson brings. So why fly a depreciating asset into the ground?
In NFL years, he is now middle aged and playing on borrowed time. I say deal him to move up. It might seem like “getting nothing” for the MVP, but the reality is that he is the present and the Vikings need to buy the future.
Grouse
When you give Peterson away (which is how the majority will view it) how will you look the season ticket buyers in the eye?
Vikings actually have a lot of very solid pieces and a lot of weapons on offense.we have 2 very solid tight ends, Patterson is going to be a superstar, Jennings is still good, our offensive line is good and AD still has a lot left to give. Trading him i dont think is the answer simply because we wont get enough in return for him. Gerhardt is not the answer he does ok simply because our run blocking is probably the best in the nfl. On defense however, we need a lot of help. Defensive line is rough, linebacking core needs help, we need another safety, another DE, Rhodes will be good at DB and Cook is ok but we need help there but mostly we need a head coach obviously, Musgrave is a joke too. I mean look what Atlanta did last year when he left. If vikes can get Clowney to play OLB/DE another DT hit the free agent market and pick up a frank grimes or even see what nnamdi is up to and find a free safety…
I know its an awful lot to ask. I think there were about 8 “if we get or do” statements in my last post. Bottom line is unfortunately the vikings probably won’t be doing any damage for awhile and Manziel would more than likely pull a Phillip rivers if we drafted him anyhow. Phillip river’s now there’s a QB who would look good in purple I believe hes a charger through at least 2016 though.
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Grouse, I agree with trading AP. He’s fun to watch and a great talent but it’s a passing league. I think we would be fine with Gerhart. Every team that has won the Super Bowl since AP was drafted has done it without him.
The question is was this year the beginning of the end for Peterson. He obviously has more in the tank but 2012 might have been the pinnacle.
The reality for the Vikings is that the road is too long for Peterson to do anything more for them than he already has. The reality is that the Vikings have too many problems to solve before they can be a contending team that has the other parts necessary to take advantage of a Grade A ground game that Peterson brings. So why fly a depreciating asset into the ground?
In NFL years, he is now middle aged and playing on borrowed time. I say deal him to move up. It might seem like “getting nothing” for the MVP, but the reality is that he is the present and the Vikings need to buy the future.
Grouse
When you give Peterson away (which is how the majority will view it) how will you look the season ticket buyers in the eye?
How do they do it now? People would very upset but when it’s time to send in the renewal for tickets how many would opt out due to trading him. Maybe I’m wrong but I think the hit would be small.
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Grouse, I agree with trading AP. He’s fun to watch and a great talent but it’s a passing league. I think we would be fine with Gerhart. Every team that has won the Super Bowl since AP was drafted has done it without him.
The question is was this year the beginning of the end for Peterson. He obviously has more in the tank but 2012 might have been the pinnacle.
The reality for the Vikings is that the road is too long for Peterson to do anything more for them than he already has. The reality is that the Vikings have too many problems to solve before they can be a contending team that has the other parts necessary to take advantage of a Grade A ground game that Peterson brings. So why fly a depreciating asset into the ground?
In NFL years, he is now middle aged and playing on borrowed time. I say deal him to move up. It might seem like “getting nothing” for the MVP, but the reality is that he is the present and the Vikings need to buy the future.
Grouse
When you give Peterson away (which is how the majority will view it) how will you look the season ticket buyers in the eye?
How do they do it now? People would very upset but when it’s time to send in the renewal for tickets how many would opt out due to trading him. Maybe I’m wrong but I think the hit would be small.
…Yaa Alll think its time to go fishun.? No feetball for these Guys till next yr.! 
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I can see Manziel going before McCarron as Manziel is much more mobile, can make dynamic plays and sure looks like he has a better arm from the games I have seen of them both.
The big question mark is Manziel’s size. Can he survive the hits he will get in the NFL, which is quite a bit different then anything he has seen in college. I guess only time will tell, as I am sure somebody is going to give him alot of money to find out… 
Manziel’s size isnt an issue. We are talking Drew Brees and Russell Wilson size, not Doug Flutie.
Please dont compare him to Tebow. Yes, he can run, but he is a much more accurate passer and can make all the throws that an NFL QB needs to make. He is much more like RGIII.
Also, it isnt fair to compare his win/losses to other QBs when his defense was so horrible. A&M was the only team to beat Bama last year and he has been the only QB to light them up through the air in the last 2 years.
I am would like to see him in the purple next year, but I dont see him falling to us and I wouldnt reach for him either.
i think he’ll have a modicum of success. the nfl game may just be too fast for what he’s really good at.
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i think he’ll have a modicum of success. the nfl game may just be too fast for what he’s really good at.
This is the crux of the problem with ALL hotshot college QBs entering the NFL. Have they developed their game to its peak? Or are they still developing and therefore will be able to amp up the speed, accuracy, etc, etc, etc.
I wish people would quit with the Tebow comparisons. If 50% of the draftees at QB did AS WELL as Tebow, we’d all be lucky.
Tebow is just a whipping boy for what happens to 90% of the college QBs that get drafted. ALL of the QBs in this draft or any other draft could be a flash-in-the-pan that won’t be able to develop their game to be a long-haul NFL QB at any level. All the Vikings fans out there know what I’m talking about. 
The problem is there’s no way to tell which QBs still have gas in the tank as far as development and which were topped out even at the college level.
The bottom line is that with any QB draftee, you have to be in a position to GET THEM in the draft. It’s just speculation until you get them and only the team that actually gets them will benefit if they backed the right horse.
Personally, I think the Vikes should deal AP to move up to #1 or make some trades to get a second pick in round 1 and pick TWO QBs from whatever’s left. With 6 highly rated QB’s in the draft and the rankings very unclear for 2-6, the chances that the Vikes could guess right by drafting a Manzie AND McCarron are extremely high.
It’s never going to get better than this in terms of depth in a single draft and none of the Vikes problems will be solved until the QB issues is solved.
Grouse
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