ELITE QB,S

guys hammerin vikes, bears, packers talk about how they neeeeeed an elite qb. what do you need to do to be one? use to be you needed to WIN and dominate your opponents. seems any more, soon as you win anything, espn gives you a nickname ,n, says you,re one of the “elites”. example: rodgers won 1 s.b., if he,s elite, whats bradshaw, montana, aikman, young? just wondering. also,”johnny football” barely stayed in top 10 , so how “football “is he? sounds like some of these guys are more P.R. than F.B. o.k. ,rant over

If you dont think Rodgers is elite you did not see what the Packers looked like without him.

Elite to me is something you attain… Rodgers has been in the league 9 seasons… is he elite… not to me, but he can still attain it . Heck, Ponder could be elite someday, he has barely 2 seasons under his belt. When I think of current QB’s and the word Elite, 1 comes to mind right away… Peyton. Brady and Rodgers may attain it, but neither has left a team and started over with a totally different team and done great things. Look at Favre, he played with the Packers for years, attained elite status in that organization, came to a different team and had his best season ever. That to me makes you Elite

The general perception around the league is that Rodgers is the best player in football – that is elite. If Bradshaw or Montana or any other former elite QB were to ball on Sunday they would not be elite. In the current era Rodgers is elite, I am sure they were not comparing him to the all time greats when they refereed to him as elite…

Here are his stats to back up the elite status:
Career (2005-2013)

comp % :65.8

yards 24,197

TD’s 188

INT’s 52

QB rating: 104.9

Rodgers was named Super Bowl MVP. As a result, he was named Associated Press Athlete of the Year in 2011.[5] Rodgers has led the NFL twice in passer rating (2011, 2012), touchdown-to-interception ratio (2011, 2012), touchdown passing percentage (2011, 2012), and once each in yards per attempt (2011) and lowest pass interception percentage (2009).
Rodgers is the NFL’s all-time career leader in passer rating during the regular season with a rating of 105.2 and third all-time in the postseason with a rating of 103.6 (among passers with at least 1,500 and 150 pass attempts, respectively).[6] He is currently the only quarterback to have a career passer rating of over 100.0 in the regular season. He also holds the league’s lowest career pass interception percentage for quarterbacks during the regular season at 1.7 percent,[7] and the single-season passer rating record of 122.5.[8]

Even the golden boy just said this week he is well on his way to Canton. That is elite!

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Elite to me is something you attain… Heck, Ponder could be elite someday, he has barely 2 seasons under his belt.

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“Preposterous Statementof 2014”

G? You smoking that Colorado weed again?

Do you remember how great Manning was when he came into the league ??? Check his numbers, Rodgers numbers…. either you are on dope or pass the crack pipe… which are you on ???

Ponder? You said Ponder? You didn’t really say Ponder?

So you bumped your noggin then

Just goes to show… no QB’s come into this league and are slapped with an Elite tag…. comparing a 9 year QB to a 2 year QB, say what you will, but Ponder hasn’t been given a real chance on a team with stability. Look at the receiver core he came into the league with… see what I mean ? Take Jordy and Randall away from Rodgers and see what he does. It does get old the way some MN fans think, a rookie QB should be able to step in and take any team to the playoffs…. no patience in ownership or fans. It takes a team and GB will find that out tomorrow, Rodgers or not

I’m all in with ya on the QB,status.. Until you mentioned that other guy

All I mean is… any young QB could become great someday… Wilson, RG3, Kaepernick …. and even Ponder, are all finding their place in the NFL. With time comes the ability to change plays at the line, like Manning and Rodgers do with ease.. to these young QB’s, it is not second nature. First and foremost, they need a coach that believe’s in them and a team that plays for them. Out of all the QB’s I mentioned, I think Ponder has had the toughest groundwork laid before him, than any of the others did… look at Rodgers, he got to watch and learn from the Elitest of QB’s for 3 seasons before he was thrown into the fire. You can’t replace that kind of preparation.

When you hear the experts talk about the best of the best regarding QB play you hear Manning, Rodgers, Brees and Brady in no particular order. Rodgers to me has the most upside as he is the youngest of this group. There is no doubt he benefited from sitting but none of these QB’s had to follow a legend like Favre and the circus he left town on. I think Ponder can still be a solid QB in the right situation with the right coaches in this league.

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Take Jordy and Randall away from Rodgers and see what he does.

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Greg Jennings.

Oh I didn’t realize Ponder had 5 years with him already like Rodgers did… I did play some WR in HS, without QB/WR timing & a QB getting to know your cuts and tendencies, you might as well cut your hands off

Plus as we all know, Jennings is a little older and maybe not quite as fleet of foot… I tend to compare apples to apples… comparing Ponder to Rodgers at this point in their careers is worlds apart.

Ponder has had 3 seasons to show he is even an average QB and failed

He is not an NFL QB

Cassel is a career back up and knows less about Viking offense and made this team look 10x better stepping in a few games this year

Ponder will never be any better than a poor example of a low quality back up

If three years is not enough time in the NFL to show signs of promise (which he has done zero) what is?

Ponder acts just as frazzled when he stares down the primary receiver now as he did game 1 season 1. He simply doesn’t have the vision or field awareness to play at this speed

Terry Bradshaw was horrible his first few seasons in the NFL…then he became a great quarterback. The same could happen with Ponder or any of these younger quarterbacks.

“Could”? Sure that could happen

But it is extremely unlikely.

The question is not “could” it happen. The question is- is it likely? The answer is no.

In addition. QBs that are going to be good out of college come out much more prepared and closer to pro form than they did back in bradshaw’s era. That comparison is really inappropriate. Look at Andrew Luck, San Fran QB, even RGIII. Those guys are either excelling or have at least shown signs of NFL competence to have a successful career very early on. The days of needing 4-5 years of grooming are over with the college system in this era.

The Vikings need to dump Ponder and move on

2012, Ponder started 16 games, 10-6. Made playoffs but was hurt, so Webb played, we lost. QB rating 81.2 that season, with who for WR ? Frazier was fired because it was his fault… if they keep Ponder, I guess we will see. You can’t hardly blame Ponder for them losing 4 games on the last play of the game, when the def was on the field

I loPonderok at Ponder, than I look at Andrew Luck. Andrew Luck has been around less time and has already shown that he can be a great quarterback, and is already moving down the road to his first superbowl. Ponder, not so much. Look at Nick Foles, another great example of a great quarterback proving his starting status in a very short period of time. Ponder is far from elite status and will never be there. How long can a team keep giving him chances before they say enough is enough. Of course it’s a lot easier to play when your surrounded by great wide receivers, but a great quarterback will make sub par receivers turn into all stars. Look at who Brady has had catching his balls. Don’t compare Ponder with any of these guys. Your nuts!

Where did I compare them ??? You did ? Close the windows, your getting brain freeze !!!

There are things you see in a QBs’ game that provides a look at how they play the game. Some have it and you can see it right away, some have it and you only see it in glimpses. These are the people that you can build a team with.
Ponder has never shown glimpses of being one of those, he has had all the chances to prove he can be a leader and has failed. He will always be a back up QB at the most. He is constantly injured, and plays as if he is afraid to throw the ball, his arm strength is as weak as his confidence.
Overall his game is to weak for an NFL QB.
He is better suited for a career in the CFL.

ok… I didn’t realize you were a QB scout, my bad. He has NO chance now…

Big G. Thank you for proving my point

The 10 wins were all on te back of Adrian. Ponders numbers were inflated because all his completions were screen passes with runs after the catch His stats were not representative of his abilities at all. Screen passes can be completed by anybody. They result in a high completion percentage and a bunch of yards. How many throws has he completed 20 or more yards downfield? You will find he has no ability to read defenses and move the ball downfield. This year is a perfect example as try tried changing the offense to a bit more vertical attack. Cassel played way better when playing than ponder. This was actually the coaches fault as it is obvious ponders major shortcomings. Cordarrele Patterson should have been in the slot running more bubble screens in the slot so ponder could have a chance this year

Again big G you keep saying the word “chance”. Of course there is a chance ponder could develop. We are all saying tht chance is so low he is not worth keeping around any longer. He is hampering the development of this offense

Additionally you claim that ponder is good based on the fact that the team lost after substitutin him with a second/third string QB who is now a receiver? Yeah Ponder is better than joe Webb. I certainly hope that is the case. Tht proves nothing of ponder other than being better than trash

Your welcome… I go back to a coach and the team having confidence in you… and ultimately yourself. Not having the belief and support form the coaches, owners, team and fans is a he77 of a hill for any man to try to climb. That’s all…. your right, I don’t believe he was given a real “chance” on this team… it’s the curse of being in sports in MN.. we have no patience and that just makes getting better that much harder… see SB titles won before Ponder screwed us…

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Your welcome… I go back to a coach and the team having confidence in you… and ultimately yourself. Not having the belief and support form the coaches, owners, team and fans is a he77 of a hill for any man to try to climb. That’s all…. your right, I don’t believe he was given a real “chance” on this team… it’s the curse of being in sports in MN.. we have no patience and that just makes getting better that much harder… see SB titles won before Ponder screwed us…

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Your numerous apologies for Ponder have convinced me you are either a family member or friend of his or you have matching adult and kids jerseys in the closet emblazoned with a purple #7 and am frustrated they will be obsolete by next year.

This is real world… people are judged for their succes (or lack thereof). Ponder has had three seasons to show he is worth hitching a wagon to and he failed miserably. What is it exactly that you want? 2 more years of Ponder trying to manage to achieve mediocrity?

He has had more time to try and prove he is an NFL quarterback than the length of an average career in the NFL. He has had plenty of support and plenty of opportunity. The only QBs in the league who don’t face many naysayers include Manning, Brady and Brees… and even these guys run up against the doubters. That is what real life inlcudes… antagonism and reality.

The Vikings have not won a Superbowl. This is a correct statement.
How in the world does that have anything to do with the support Ponder has been given? He has the best RB in the league. The team has upgraded the WR position every year he has been in the league. The Oline is not excellent but they are certainly average and actually look above average when a QB like Cassel is under center making quick reads and unloading the ball quickly.

There really is no debate here when one looks at the facts for just a few seconds which may be why you keep bringing up unrelated, emotional-laden comments.

I am done here as my goal is not to convince you of the truth as I have given up on that.

If they keep Ponder- here is to hoping you are correct.

Truth is.. he as of now has a chance…I have an old #84 in the closet… that’s it. BTW…. am I the only one seeing the GB D-Back hanging like a cheap suit on Crabtree in the endzone…. twice ?

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ok… I didn’t realize you were a QB scout, my bad. He has NO chance now…

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No, I am not a QB scout

But I did stay at a Holiday Inn express last night

I really think ‘ol Kaep keeps taking timeouts so he can warm up those arms

Why in the world wouldn’t he wear sleeves? Probably would interfere with the bicep kissing highlight

elite qb’s do more with less. football is a team sport and usually if you are on a good team for long periods of time people will see you as elite. (see aikman and bradshaw)

other qb’s don’t win and for some reason are not considered elite by many (see marino and tarkenton)

its a travesty really.

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If Bradshaw or Montana or any other former elite QB were to ball on Sunday they would not be elite.

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I’m not so sure about that. We baby these Qb’s like never before. Those boys, especially Bradshaw, played back when football was football. The league is so slanted to the offense now days, I can’t imagine how many more records Marino and Elway would have had given today’s rules.