Lead line question?

  • mudneck_joe
    SE MN
    Posts: 409
    #1282693

    When letting out line do you ignore how deep the crank bait dives and let out the amount of color to get to a certain depth, or do you take into account how deep a crank dives and add the line colors accordingly to make up the difference.

    Another question. Since lead line is thicker in diameter does that make crank baits dive shallower than the braided line counterparts.

    And yet another. It there a max depth that can be achieved by lead line to the point were there is no reason to let out any more colors. THanx in advance and good fishing.

    mark-bruzek
    Two Harbors, MN
    Posts: 3861
    #1179091

    Factor in the dive curve of the lure based on how much leader length you have.
    For example I run 20-30′ of 12# vanish or 10# Power Pro.

    I take the dive curve of the lure with the given leader then add my lead core dive to that.

    mudneck_joe
    SE MN
    Posts: 409
    #1179092

    What is the dive curve of 20 feet of 10 lb power pro on a #5 shad rap and #8 Shad rap approximately.

    I believe I saw on another post that one color of 832 equals 7 feet. Am i remembering that correctly.

    wimwuen
    LaCrosse, WI
    Posts: 1960
    #1179106

    For the #5, 20′ of 10lb XT should be right around 4′. 832 at 2mph should give you about 7′ per color, standard 18lb leadcore at 2mph should give you about 5′.

    3 full colors and a 20′ leader in theory should give you about 19′ in theory. I find that I tend to get about 16-17′ in this instance myself.

    It’s not an exact science, but it’s pretty close.

    kroger3
    blaine mn
    Posts: 1116
    #1179118

    If your getting into pulling lead and espically on Mille Lacs do yourself a favor and spend sometime in the gravel to start. Gravel will give you good indications on when your hitting bottom and help you learn some runniing lengths for depths. Keep in mind its VERY speed dependent. If your going right to the mud or basin you WILL fustrate yourself and its easy to plow your baits along to bottom and not know.

    jebb-hatch
    Kearney, Nebraska
    Posts: 111
    #1179123

    What dictates how long of a leader you should run? Is
    20-30′ a pretty average length?

    kroger3
    blaine mn
    Posts: 1116
    #1179125

    Quote:


    What dictates how long of a leader you should run? Is
    20-30′ a pretty average length?


    Generally water clearity. Mille Lacs I run 30′ due to clarity and to keep math simple being you lead is 30′ per color as well. LOTW I will run all the way down to 6′.

    Brad Juaire
    Maple Grove, MN
    Posts: 6101
    #1179132

    Quote:


    When letting out line do you ignore how deep the crank bait dives and let out the amount of color to get to a certain depth, or do you take into account how deep a crank dives and add the line colors accordingly to make up the difference.



    The short answer to your question is yes – you ignore the depth curve on your crank bait and only calculate the lead core depth. This is assuming you do not have a leader tied on (which you wouldn’t do). Like other have said above – if you have a leader you need to account the depth curve for the leader the minus that amount from the total desired depth, then figure out how much leadcore you need to put out to achieve the desired depth.

    For example – let’s say you want to achieve a depth of 27 feet with #5 shad rap (SRRS) and that you have a 30 foot mono leader tied onto your lead core (regular and not 832).

    : a 30 foot 10lb mono leader will put your #5 shad rap down to 7 feet (braid leader would be 8 feet)

    : 27 feet (desired depth) – 7 feet (depth curve for a 30 foot mono leader) = 20 feet to go

    Regular lead core sinks 5′ per color (30 feet) so you would need 4 colors (120 feet) to achieve 20 feet in depth. Total feet out = 30 foot leader + 120 feet of lead core = 150 feet total

    832 lead core sinks 7′ per color trolled at 2mph so you would need a little less than 3 colors or 85 feet to achieve 20 feet in depth. Total feet out = 30 foot leader + 85 feet of 832 lead core – 115 total feet

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    Another question. Since lead line is thicker in diameter does that make crank baits dive shallower than the braided line counterparts.


    No – you’re comparing an apple to a banana. Lead core line sinks and braid doesn’t. If you did not have a leader on the lead core line – it doesn’t matter what crank bait you tie on. With braid – each crank bait has its own depth curve. It also doesn’t matter what lb test your leadcore line is – it has the same sink rate. Also, keep in mind, lead core line trolls with an S curve in it. Braid does not. The lead core line snakes up and down and side to side depending on boat directions. Braid tracks pretty much the same depth.

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    And yet another. It there a max depth that can be achieved by lead line to the point were there is no reason to let out any more colors. THanx in advance and good fishing.


    The short answer is no – I’ve trolled lead core line in the great lakes salmon fishing and have put out 15 colors. You’re only liability is finding a big enough spool that can handle more colors. However, I’m guessing if you keep putting it out – there would eventually be less and less depth achieved per color.

    Hope this helps!

    Brad Juaire
    Maple Grove, MN
    Posts: 6101
    #1179133

    Quote:


    What dictates how long of a leader you should run? Is
    20-30′ a pretty average length?


    kroger3 is right – water clarity is one factor. The other depends on your trolling situation. If you are trolling structure or contour trolling, then a shorter leader (5-20 feet) is better because you want to stay on that contour line. That’s one of the benefits of lead core – it follows the path of your boat. Braid or mono will cut corners and then your crank bait bottoms out.

    When open water trolling and fishing suspended walleyes on Mille Lacs – I use 50 foot leaders. Again, leadcore line trolls with a “S” curve in it and I do think you can spook more fish with shorter leaders especially in clear water conditions. I’ve done a ton of experimenting over the years in this scenario and I catch more fish with longer leaders.

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