Any reports from GC hearings at the Capitol?

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” Never let a good crisis go to waste ”

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First, I have not read through every post in this thread. But did have a couple comments.

Even if any or all of these proposals pass out of committee, there is not enough support in the House to pass any of the proposals into law. The votes are not there.

Second, I hope everyone who has the time to opine on this topic has also sent an email to their rep. Not the reps on this committee, but your actual rep in your district.

The main focus in my email is not “Kill em all” but rather focused on a specific proposal. For me it was just leave the carry law alone. There are no problems with it. I also pointed out that restricting where I can carry forces me to leave my handgun in the car where it could easily be stolen. I got a quick reply stating he agreed and had not really thought of this topic along those lines. So, start writing. Be nice and hope for the best. You will not change the world complaining here on IDO.

-J.

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First, I have not read through every post in this thread. But did have a couple comments.

Even if any or all of these proposals pass out of committee, there is not enough support in the House to pass any of the proposals into law. The votes are not there.

Second, I hope everyone who has the time to opine on this topic has also sent an email to their rep. Not the reps on this committee, but your actual rep in your district.

The main focus in my email is not “Kill em all” but rather focused on a specific proposal. For me it was just leave the carry law alone. There are no problems with it. I also pointed out that restricting where I can carry forces me to leave my handgun in the car where it could easily be stolen. I got a quick reply stating he agreed and had not really thought of this topic along those lines. So, start writing. Be nice and hope for the best. You will not change the world complaining here on IDO.

-J.

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Well put!

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The interesting part of all of this is exactly what Jon stated, very little if any of it will ever become law. Much of it is political posturing and lining up future TV ads to be run during elections ( I supported this or my opponent did not ).

What concerns me as a gun owner is all the ammunition (again, no pun intended) the anti’s are gaining in this process. If we have repeated attacks like the ones at Sandy Hook, the theatre in CO, or Columbine, especially one poorly timed near an election, we could get too many people into office that could take these gun restrictions too far.

This is why I feel it is important for all gun owners to NOT hide behind the 2nd amendment, but instead stand out in the open and debate how to end these senseless attacks. To me, giving up large clips and having tough background checks is an ok trade to doing nothing, which could have awful long term consequences should this violence not stop.

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To me, giving up large clips and having tough background checks is an ok trade to doing nothing, which could have awful long term consequences should this violence not stop.

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It won’t stop no matter what happens. I can see the background checks. What do they check for, felonies?

Limiting clips is just window dressing. Doing something just for the sake of doing something is wrong and I object to it on principle…as a guy who owns 0 guns.

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It won’t stop no matter what happens. I can see the background checks. What do they check for, felonies?

Limiting clips is just window dressing. Doing something just for the sake of doing something is wrong and I object to it on principle…as a guy who owns 0 guns.

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I disagree with your entire reply. It has to stop, and we must find a way to stop it. And having large clips is not window dressing, it is along the same lines as having seat belt laws. It prevents some deaths and injuries. Not all, but some.

You are sitting and driving why not have a seat belt on? Why have large capacity clips, they serve no true purpose in the hunting or shooting community.

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I disagree with your entire reply. It has to stop, and we must find a way to stop it. And having large clips is not window dressing, it is along the same lines as having seat belt laws. It prevents some deaths and injuries. Not all, but some.

You are sitting and driving why not have a seat belt on? Why have large capacity clips, they serve no true purpose in the hunting or shooting community.

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Maybe, but it won’t stop. Massacres will continue with people using high capacity clips.

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This is why I feel it is important for all gun owners to NOT hide behind the 2nd amendment, but instead stand out in the open and debate how to end these senseless attacks. To me, giving up large clips and having tough background checks is an ok trade to doing nothing, which could have awful long term consequences should this violence not stop.

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Unless I read the accounts wrong, I think it is a little hard to have a debate when legislators do not bother to stay for the meeting, and then turn the proceedings over to an un-elected representative from the side advocating change to answer questions.

Just saying…

Eric, I can change out a 10 round mag as fast as most people can say “let’s ban…”.

I was good at using a speed loader for my 6 shot revolver at one time. Fractions of a second to reload.

Kill everyone in the US and the killings will stop. With or without guns.

I think MN might need an open carry day where all of us killers are walking the streets with our scary black handguns.

So what is the ultimate question? Is it worth some people getting shot in order for the rest of the population to own guns for sef-defense and sport? That seems like the question to me?

I would say that the question is to whether the Constitution is the law or if whatever the legislature feels like doing that year is the law. I would prefer a nation built on libertarian principles rather than what is trending on twitter.

Humans will continue to act out their evil no matter what the political class imposes on them. I would prefer to be left to take care of myself, rather than be subject to the whims of evil men.

Also, your statement is contrary to logic. No gun control law will take guns out of the hands of criminals. All gun control laws have ever done is make life harder for law abiding gun owners. By definition, law abiding gun owners police themselves.

Read an account yesterday of a 72 year old man whose house was broken into by 5 armed invaders, when they encountered him in his bedroom, he was armed and started shooting.
He put the lights out permanently for the first guy that entered. The rest scattered! Sheriff rounded up 3 of the 4 that fled the house. Today there was another account of an 86 year old woman that scared off two invaders when she started shooting!

The question to me is how many are you going to have to stab with your scissors to save your life and defend the family?

Maybe they will go with Archie Bunker’s suggestion

Gloria Bunker-Stivic: Daddy, did you know that sixty percent of the people murdered in this country in the last ten years were killed by guns?

Archie Bunker: Would it make you feel any better, little girl, if they was pushed out of windows?

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Maybe they will go with Archie Bunker’s suggestion

Gloria Bunker-Stivic: Daddy, did you know that sixty percent of the people murdered in this country in the last ten years were killed by guns?

Archie Bunker: Would it make you feel any better, little girl, if they was pushed out of windows?

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My point was as long as guns exist humans will be shot. Period. The question is do they fight to take all them out of existence, which seems impossible, or accept the fact that gun related fatalities are normal and acceptable like automobile fatalities?

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riverweed, did you get the clarification you were looking for? If not, I can help with the other bills.

Furthermore, the thing that I feel goes under-recognized is the slippery slope these harsher punishments do to gun ownership. Yes, a felony is bad enough by itself but it makes any future purchase of firearms nearly impossible. So in essense, they take a perfectly law abiding person that made one mistake and forces them to forfeit their firearm and furthermore prevent them from purchasing more.

As mentioned many times before, none of these bills, or any other national bills I have read, would have prevented any of these mass murders. Personally I am fine with more thorough background checks, but until we actually start enforcing the background check laws we have, what is the point of creating more? I have always said, if we feel that laws will prevent bad people from using guns to commit murders, why don’t we just come out with a law that makes it illegal to kill people? Afterall, the criminals will listen to that, right?

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Yes I did, but not from you or anonymous authors that distort the facts for their own benifit.

Funny, you defend breaking a law just so one can carry a gun.
Then you say “Afterall, the criminals will listen to that, right”?

The price of a jay walking fine is much less then auto theft.

The price of walk in a “gun free zone” should be less then shooting people.

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The price of a jay walking fine is much less then auto theft.

The price of walk in a “gun free zone” should be less then shooting people.

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Compare jaywalking to carrying a gun into a school thats fine kind of a stretch for me .thats ok. Breaking the law is breaking the law! Some laws should be taken more seriously and the consequences should show that intern. In this culture we have going now I think a gun in a school is a bit more unsettling than a person cheating a signal lite. Cripes one should know it is illegal to have a gun on said person so why carry a gun in a school?
The paranoid not need to answer the question.

Like I said in an earlier post. What’s more dangerous? A law abiding, licensed gun carrying citizen? Or an unattended pistol left in the car parked in a school parking lot? That gun is much safer on my hip. Don’t make senseless laws. They have very bad consequences!

-J.

I’ve had shotguns and rifles on a number of occasions.

Jay walking and a person with a carry permit in a gun free zone, school or other is the same thing.

The paranoid need not reply.

I am betting there is at least 20 sets of parents, who now only “wish” there had been someone other than the disturbed murderer, who had a gun that day at the school… I am also sure if the new law had been in place already, the murderer would have followed the new law and it would not have happened Hello…. reality check

A story from a few years back. A father goes to his daughters middle school to take the daughter out of school after being told a judgment of no visitation from a divorce settlement.

Father with no malice was ejected from the school. Though the father returned with malice from car where gun was left behind. Thankfully, the police were called preventing father from reentering the school.

A guy drives to a bar and has to many. We should not have laws that instill consequences?

The father had no inclination of using the gun at first.
Just like the driver had no inclination of piling his car into another car killing the occupants in that car.

I totally missied your point. That is if you were trying to make one?

-J.

I think his point is, no more divorces ?

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I totally missied your point. That is if you were trying to make one?

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The father entered that school just like the driver did in entering the bar with no intent of doing no harm. The law prevented a situation from escalating.
As for the driver he has now consequences that will be considered before making the choice to get behind the wheel.

Will this prevent those with malice of course not.
Will this help those without malice make the right choice?
Hard to tell but I know one thing for sure since I have seen the light and do not drink and drive I have yet killed anyone driving drunk.

You assume every person with a gun is divorced and has no visitation with their kids in middle school ??? and that anybody who drinks a beer is a drunk driver ??? Hard for me to get any point from your analogies ???

That is ok if you don’t get the point.

Then again I don’t get the need to carry guns in a school.

would you like to have one on your person, if a madman came into your home after your family with a knife/gun… or came after your child while she was in school and you were there… or in the mall ??? or would you rather call 911 ??? I prefer to defend my family myself in real time One never really knows when a nutjob will attack, so carrying AT ALL TIMES will assure you have a way to protect your family when the need arises, there are alot of disturbed people out there… watch the news or become part of it.

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would you like to have one on your person, if a madman came into your home after your family with a knife/gun… or came after your child while she was in school and you were there… or in the mall ??? or would you rather call 911 ??? I prefer to defend my family myself in real time One never really knows when a nutjob will attack, so carrying AT ALL TIMES will assure you have a way to protect your family when the need arises, there are alot of disturbed people out there… watch the news or become part of it.

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When seconds count the police are minutes away.

I get it and I am certainly not questioning the right to carry.
I just have different outlook and I am not trying to say anyone’s outlook is wrong.