Any reports from GC hearings at the Capitol?

  • carroll58
    Twin Cities, USA
    Posts: 2094
    #1280548

    With 3-days of hearings scheduled and already reports of overflow crowds, any IDO member reports from the Minnesota State Capitol?

    {Copyright FOX9 News} Starting on Tuesday, Minnesota lawmakers will begin discussing a total of 15 gun safety bills at the Capitol. Six will be introduced in House committee on Tuesday alone.

    Some of the bills call for bans on high capacity ammunition magazines, tougher background checks for gun buyers and more restrictions on gun show sales.

    “Our law enforcement officers should never be out-gunned on the streets,” Obama said, directly addressing high-capacity ammunition.

    On a more local level, the city of Minneapolis spent $800,000 on guns and ammunition in the last few years, and Mayor R.T. Rybak says that purchasing power gives the city influence with gun manufacturers who don’t meet the city’s standards of safety.

    Hennepin County Sheriff Rich Stanek has also been closely involved in the discussions, and he said focusing on the problem of access does not violate the Second Amendment he strongly supports.

    “Gun ownership isn’t a privilege; it’s a right guaranteed by the Constitution. We have an access problem — people already prohibited by law from owning or buying a gun should never have access to firearms,” Stanek said.

    Fox9 News link

    big_g
    Isle, MN
    Posts: 22529
    #1138446

    the city of Minneapolis spent $800,000 on guns and ammunition in the last few years, and Mayor R.T. Rybak says that purchasing power gives the city influence with gun manufacturers who don’t meet the city’s standards of safety.

    is he serious ????? he thinks he has pull with that “drop in the bucket”

    kooty
    Keymaster
    1 hour 15 mins to the Pond
    Posts: 18101
    #1138472

    Here is what was introduced today. Unbelievable how the DFL is stomping all over the constitution lead by a man holding the presidential title. Sad state our country is in.

    Today, the House Public Safety, Finance and Policy Committee began three days of hearings on multiple dangerous anti-gun bills. They have already heard testimony on House Files 237 and 240, and will hear House Files 238, 239 and others this evening. Please review the summaries below of the most egregious of these serious threats to our Second Amendment rights in Minnesota. Government officials would do better to focus on issues that would rationally address existing crime problems and empower the law-abiding public to protect themselves and loved ones than to target an entire class of people because it is politically popular at the moment.

    Please contact all members of the House Public Safety CommitteeTODAY and urge them to oppose the following bills and any other gun control legislation. Thanks to the hundreds of Second Amendment supporters who showed up today in St. Paul to testify and show your support for our Right to Keep and Bear Arms. Your voice makes a difference! For a schedule of this week’s hearings and information on how to testify, please click here.

    1) HF 237, introduced by Representative Michael Paymar (DFL-64B), would create new categories of “prohibited persons” for gun ownership and eliminate your fundamental rights without due process. It would also require “universal background checks” on certain firearm purchases with limited exceptions, add new fees (taxes) for transfers and transferee permits, limit the ability of the permit to carry to function as transferee permit, and create a possible thirty-day waiting period to verify an individual’s identity during the application process for a transferee permit.

    2) HF 238, introduced by Representative Jim Davnie (DFL-63A), would make felons out of permit holders if they inadvertently carry on school property and would require forfeiture of the offending individual’s firearms. Currently, the penalty for an honest mistake like this is a misdemeanor.

    3) HF 239, introduced by Representative Jim Davnie (DFL-63A), would increase the penalties on permit holders from $25 to $3,000 for a first-time infraction if he or she does not leave an establishment when requested. This has never been a problem in the past and the NRA is unaware of any issues with permit holders disobeying the wishes of private establishments.

    4) HF 240, introduced by Representative Dan Schoen (DFL-54A), would add discretionary provisions to transferee and carry permits. HF 240 would require individuals to obtain what is essentially a “doctor’s note” if the issuing officer believes – based only on undefined “past police contacts” – that the applicant is possibly dangerous or mentally ill. The issuing officer would not be required to use the professional evaluation of a medical professional to determine your eligibility for a permit – and could expand the application process indefinitely. In addition, this bill would weaken the appeal process for those denied a permit, and strengthen the ability for law enforcement officers to deny your right to carry by adding a long list of disqualifying factors to the application process. This bill would also ban the issuance of non-resident permits – making it more difficult for friends and family visiting the state of Minnesota to protect themselves and their loved ones.

    5) HF 241, introduced by Representative Alice Hausman (DFL-66A) – would ban thousands of commonly owned semi-automatic handguns, rifles and shotguns that can accept a detachable magazine and has even one “feature” from a list of mostly cosmetic components. It would also ban all detachable-magazine semi-auto pistols that have any of the following: a threaded barrel, second pistol grip, or magazine that mounts anywhere other than the grip. It would ban all semi-automatic rifles and handguns that have fixed magazines that accept more than seven rounds. It would also ban all semi-automatic shotguns that have any of the following: a folding, telescoping, or detachable stock; a pistol grip; a fixed magazine that can accept more than seven rounds, a detachable magazine; a forward grip; a revolving cylinder. As with the rifle provision, this could potentially ban the vast majority of semi-auto shotguns, because they have pistol or forward grips. Countless Americans rely on shotguns like these with pistol grips every day for home defense. It would also ban “combinations of parts” from which “assault weapons” can be assembled. Read broadly, this bill could ban the acquisition of a single spare part that could be combined with parts you already own.

    HF 241 would require firearm owners to remove the weapon from the state, surrender their legally owned property to a law enforcement agency for destruction, render the weapon permanently inoperable, or if eligible, register the weapon. Those possessing a banned firearm would face felony prosecution for violations. If a firearm was registered, the owner would have to submit to, among a long list of other requirements, visits and inspections from local law enforcement. As such, honest gun owners would be treated like convicted criminals just for obeying the law.

    6) HF 242, introduced by Representative Alice Hausman (DFL-66A), would ban millions of standard capacity magazines.

    HF 242 would ban the manufacture, import, transfer or possession of “large-capacity magazines.” A large capacity magazine is defined as an ammunition-feeding device with the capacity to accept more than ten rounds. Under this bill, there are very limited exceptions that apply to the government, military and certain manufacturers – but not to individual citizens who rely on these commonly owned magazines for self-defense. This bill mandates that 120 days from August 1, 2013, any individual possessing a “large-capacity” magazine in violation of the law would face felony prosecution.

    HF 242 would require individuals with magazines over ten rounds to permanently alter the magazine so it cannot accommodate more than ten rounds, remove the large-capacity magazine from the state, or surrender their legally owned property to a law enforcement agency for destruction. Millions of Americans possess magazines that hold more than ten rounds – as they are the standard magazine in the most popular weapons used for self-defense, target shooting and hunting. This policy will only affect the law-abiding, and will have no impact on crime since it will be ignored by criminals like other restrictions.

    7) HF 298, introduced by Representative Raymond Dehn (DFL-59B), would overturn Minnesota’s firearm preemption law. Currently, localities cannot enact more restrictive gun laws than current state statute. With this change, localities could enact any ordinance they choose under the guise of public safety – creating a patchwork of anti-gun ordinances throughout the state.

    prieser
    Byron, MN
    Posts: 2274
    #1138476

    If these idiots would spend half as much time on real issues, like budgets, education and (a legitmate health care reform) as this did on just the verbal puke that is wrote on these bills, we’d be in a lot better place. Very little is being done about the mental health issues of the former killings that have happened. Kill the peace keepers and the violent offenders will be out in force. I’m picturing the wild west all over again real soon. It’s just sad

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #1138477

    Well now, there was a huge waste of time and resources.

    Which one of the above would have stopped Sandy Hook or any of the other mass shootings?

    Thought so.

    Bird
    River Falls, WI
    Posts: 317
    #1138479

    Those GC Bills scare me! If they get passed the sky is the limit…

    prieser
    Byron, MN
    Posts: 2274
    #1138482

    Agreed BK. I’ve never, ever been one to jump on politics, (always stayed away from politic and religion). But…..this has just got me into a small frenzy. These aholes are just plain jack ‘s

    This county is going to end up in such a big sh*t hole it’s not even funny. Save your precious metals and stock up on the provisions. Zombies are coming.

    mplspug
    Palmetto, Florida
    Posts: 25026
    #1138508

    Never waste a good crisis…

    dem·a·gogue
    /ˈdeməˌgäg/
    Noun

    A political leader who seeks support by appealing to popular desires and prejudices rather than by using rational argument.

    Palerider77
    Posts: 630
    #1138528

    To the best of my knowledge, McDonald v. Chicago and the precedent that it set should make all of this a moot point. Too bad the statist elitist political class in St. Paul thinks they can override the Supreme Court.

    cougareye
    Hudson, WI
    Posts: 4145
    #1138532

    Kooty,

    Who wrote the summaries of the bills that you posted?

    ET

    1hl&sinker
    On the St.Croix
    Posts: 2501
    #1138555

    Honestly, the explanations of these proposed bills sure scare the heck out of one and it sure makes one shake ones head at the audacity that any one propose such ideas.

    Though I think I’ll use my own brain to decide rather than take what is given to be true by an anonymous author.

    Rather than copy and past the opinion of an anonymous whats wrong with posting the actual bills so one can decide for themselves. Or is is just easier to believe what is spoon fed to…

    1hl&sinker
    On the St.Croix
    Posts: 2501
    #1138559

    web pageHF 298

    Point me in the right direction. Where does it say localities could enact any ordinance they choose under the guise of public safety.

    What I’m reading is (a) (1) a governmental subdivision may regulate the discharge of firearms; and

    1.15 (b) (2) a governmental subdivision may adopt regulations identical to state law.

    And the legislature preempts all authority

    1.10 of a home rule charter or statutory city including a city of the first class, county, town,

    1.11 municipal corporation, or other governmental subdivision, or any of their instrumentalities,

    1.12 to regulate firearms, ammunition, or their respective components to the complete exclusion

    1.13 of any order, ordinance or regulation by them.

    In essence State law is supreme.

    So why would an anonymous author give false testament of a bill? Again point me in the direction where the bill says a city can enact any gun accordance. I cant seem to find any other description of the bill.

    1hl&sinker
    On the St.Croix
    Posts: 2501
    #1138565

    web pageHF 238 Where does it say “if they inadvertently carry on school property “?

    Why would this anonymous author give false testament?

    If I go on will I see more lies from this anonymous author?

    If I missing something here I’ll freely admit it if pointed to further facts that these are not false statements. web pageHF238

    I think this anonymous author while trying to discredit these bills above all else discredits his distorted writings and himself and does more harm to the cause of owning a gun.

    kooty
    Keymaster
    1 hour 15 mins to the Pond
    Posts: 18101
    #1138574

    I can’t help you undertand how more laws that aren’t driven by statistical needs will NOT prevent further crimes in Minnesota. I can’t help you understand how putting more restrictions on already law abiding citizens will prevent further crimes. The fact these two truths are lost on so many in Minnesota and throughout our country is sad.

    cougareye
    Hudson, WI
    Posts: 4145
    #1138588

    What’s getting sad is the rhetoric coming from both sides. I’m trying to find independent or honest info on what was proposed and the summaries posted here appear very negative and one sided.

    Hiding behind the 2nd amendment is also getting sad and is going to end up hurting those attempting to do so. Politically I’m speaking.

    ET

    big_g
    Isle, MN
    Posts: 22529
    #1138590

    Hiding behind it… or do you mean those trampling all over it ?

    jakefroyum
    Posts: 94
    #1138596

    Quote:


    web pageHF 238 Where does it say “if they inadvertently carry on school property “?

    Why would this anonymous author give false testament?

    If I go on will I see more lies from this anonymous author?

    If I missing something here I’ll freely admit it if pointed to further facts that these are not false statements. web pageHF238

    I think this anonymous author while trying to discredit these bills above all else discredits his distorted writings and himself and does more harm to the cause of owning a gun.


    It does say: “whoever possesses, stores, or keeps a dangerous
    1.9weapon while knowingly on school property is guilty of a felony and may be sentenced
    1.10to imprisonment for not more than five years or to payment of a fine of not more than
    1.11$10,000, or both.”

    Also: “
    “school property” means:
    2.3(i) a public or private elementary, middle, or secondary school building and its
    2.4improved grounds, whether leased or owned by the school;
    2.5(ii) a child care center licensed under chapter 245A during the period children are
    2.6present and participating in a child care program;
    2.7(iii) the area within a school bus when that bus is being used by a school to
    2.8transport one or more elementary, middle, or secondary school students to and from
    2.9school-related activities, including curricular, cocurricular, noncurricular, extracurricular,
    2.10and supplementary activities; and
    2.11(iv) that portion of a building or facility under the temporary, exclusive control
    2.12of a public or private school, a school district, or an association of such entities where
    2.13conspicuous signs are prominently posted at each entrance that give actual notice to
    2.14persons of the school-related use.”

    So, read these bills word for word. They are unbelievable and will make thousands upon thousands of Minnesotans criminals for doing nothing different than they are doing today. These bills are absurd and would be funny if the people introducing them were not so serious. And the fact they are all from the Dems and the Dems have the power now to do what they want. Hold on to your pocketbook and your guns.

    kooty
    Keymaster
    1 hour 15 mins to the Pond
    Posts: 18101
    #1138597

    I would encourage everyone to go read the bills for themselves. I can’t help that you don’t like the summaries or that you want to call them lies.

    Once you have read the bills I challenge you to sit and think how would each of these bills prevent criminals from doing bad things? The only people affected by these bills will be law abiding citizens.

    The truth is the DFL isn’t addressing the real problem. They are simply adding more laws to the books full of laws that are not being enforced today.

    what do you propose will prevent other tragedies like at Sandy Hook?

    mplspug
    Palmetto, Florida
    Posts: 25026
    #1138599

    The law of unintended consequences is a crazy thing, so to speak, and can seemingly be applied to every piece of legislation written.

    People in the mental health field worry that if police are able to check mental health records of people and confiscate their arms, people will not seek treatment. This is one of a dozen bits being proposed. And guess what, if they don’t seek treatment, their potential to become dangerous to themselves and others increases dramatically. Will they listen to that testimony or ignore it to make themselves feel better, because we don’t have to agree on everything, but we should agree that we have to do something.

    jakefroyum
    Posts: 94
    #1138611

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    , because we don’t have to agree on everything, but we should agree that we have to do something.


    I don’t think there is a single gun law change that is necessary. It boilds down more to society and its values. I would be more for things like tax incentives to get married/stay married. Tax disincentives for children out of wedlock. Its not very politally correct to suggest things like that though. For what its worth, freedom requires self sufficiency and a result of liberty is sometimes bad things happen.

    I guess I am steering this away from the original post a bit and the unavoidable “political nature” of this topic is rising.

    big_g
    Isle, MN
    Posts: 22529
    #1138618

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    , because we don’t have to agree on everything, but we should agree that we have to do something.


    I don’t think there is a single gun law change that is necessary. It boilds down more to society and its values. I would be more for things like tax incentives to get married/stay married. Tax disincentives for children out of wedlock. Its not very politally correct to suggest things like that though. For what its worth, freedom requires self sufficiency and a result of liberty is sometimes bad things happen.

    I guess I am steering this away from the original post a bit and the unavoidable “political nature” of this topic is rising.


    Exactly What has changed more in the last 50 years… the definition of a gun or the definition of a family/marriage ??? And which one do you think “honestly” affects our children more, when it comes to morals and character ???

    Mike W
    MN/Anoka/Ham lake
    Posts: 13310
    #1138623

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    The law of unintended consequences is a crazy thing, so to speak, and can seemingly be applied to every piece of legislation written.

    People in the mental health field worry that if police are able to check mental health records of people and confiscate their arms, people will not seek treatment. This is one of a dozen bits being proposed. And guess what, if they don’t seek treatment, their potential to become dangerous to themselves and others increases dramatically. Will they listen to that testimony or ignore it to make themselves feel better, because we don’t have to agree on everything, but we should agree that we have to do something.


    I would agree with this. Just look at what insurance companies are doing now. If your medical history lists any symptoms of depression or taking anti depressants forget about getting a disability policy. Had a prescription writing nut of a doctor a few years back write me a prescription for antidepressants. Had never meet this guy before. Part of there standard questions was asking if you feel depressed. Being the middle of winter and not having any work I said yes i get down some time. He says here take these they will make you feel better. Long story short the next spring i get denied disability insurance because of the prescription. It was on my medical history that I was depressed. Never even got the prescription filled. Thought I would just get out of the house a little more to cure my winter time blues. Didnt matter I was labeled with being depressed for answering yes to a quick question by someone I had never even meet before.

    Yea. Couldnt see anything like this happening again. those should be harmless bills if passed.

    suzuki
    Woodbury, Mn
    Posts: 18704
    #1138625

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    , because we don’t have to agree on everything, but we should agree that we have to do something.


    I don’t think there is a single gun law change that is necessary. It boilds down more to society and its values. I would be more for things like tax incentives to get married/stay married. Tax disincentives for children out of wedlock. Its not very politally correct to suggest things like that though. For what its worth, freedom requires self sufficiency and a result of liberty is sometimes bad things happen.

    I guess I am steering this away from the original post a bit and the unavoidable “political nature” of this topic is rising.


    I think you nailed it but facing hardships is no longer politically correct. This country would go down in flames before one person was knowingly allowed to suffer. We may have advanced too far.

    sgt._rock
    Rochester, MN
    Posts: 2517
    #1138634

    If you have TV or internet coverage of the proceedings they are starting now with comittee discussion.

    showags
    Hastings, MN
    Posts: 518
    #1138805

    riverweed, did you get the clarification you were looking for? If not, I can help with the other bills.

    Furthermore, the thing that I feel goes under-recognized is the slippery slope these harsher punishments do to gun ownership. Yes, a felony is bad enough by itself but it makes any future purchase of firearms nearly impossible. So in essense, they take a perfectly law abiding person that made one mistake and forces them to forfeit their firearm and furthermore prevent them from purchasing more.

    As mentioned many times before, none of these bills, or any other national bills I have read, would have prevented any of these mass murders. Personally I am fine with more thorough background checks, but until we actually start enforcing the background check laws we have, what is the point of creating more? I have always said, if we feel that laws will prevent bad people from using guns to commit murders, why don’t we just come out with a law that makes it illegal to kill people? Afterall, the criminals will listen to that, right?

    jakefroyum
    Posts: 94
    #1138854

    Quote:


    Personally I am fine with more thorough background checks, but until we actually start enforcing the background check laws we have, what is the point of creating more?


    The problem with the increased background checks they are talking about is for private person to private person. First, again not criminal will follow this. Second, this is one more way to be sure more guns are registered and on paper so its easier for govt to find them if they want them, third there will certainly be a registration tax or fee. Probably not just from the person doing the transfer but from the govt. And most inmoprtantly, its noone’s business what guns I have or why I have them.

    When they talk about all the people that fail a background check and then nothing happens to them it could be that many of these people are mistakenly denied. Ask any dealer that had sold very many guns and they all have customers that get approved one time, denied the next, or delayed.

    If you want to really far down the road, where does it say in the Constitution that mentally ill or felons can’t own guns?

    I just hope people read these bills and inform themselves.

    buckshot
    Rochester, MN
    Posts: 1654
    #1138885

    Anyone else listen to Davis & Emmer this morning between 7 and 8??

    A guy called in that was testifying yesterday and apparently some of the Dems got up and walked out while he was speaking.
    Alice Hausman(D) spoke for a few minutes then left giving the mic to Heather Martens, Exec Director for the anti second amendment group Protect MN to let her answer any questions. Hausman had to go to the Ordway and meet with some kids and that “took precedent” over the hearings.

    Paymar also admitted to “being no expert on guns” when the guy was explaining the difference between the rifles you and I can buy and the ones the military has. If he is no expert why is he writing legislation on guns.

    I am a member of the parks commission in my town, it is a volunteer position and the other commissioners and I take an oath to uphold the Constitution of the United States. Our elected officials take that same oath swearing to uphold the Constitution….so where is all this anti second amendment legislation coming from?? If they are no longer able to fulfill their duties as they swore an oath to do I think they should resign and remove themselves from office.

    Paulski
    “Ever Wonder Why There Are No Democrats On Mount Rushmore ? "
    Posts: 1198
    #1138901

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    I am a member of the parks commission in my town, it is a volunteer position and the other commissioners and I take an oath to uphold the Constitution of the United States. Our elected officials take that same oath swearing to uphold the Constitution….so where is all this anti second amendment legislation coming from?? If they are no longer able to fulfill their duties as they swore an oath to do I think they should resign and remove themselves from office.


    If you are looking for legislators to uphold their oath office, sadly that day has passed, or most of the judges and federal legislators along with quite a few state and locals would need to be replaced solely on the fact they refuse to enforce our own immigration laws as evidently those laws passed years ago to protect our country no longer apply… I digress…

    mplspug
    Palmetto, Florida
    Posts: 25026
    #1138909

    So recent events make it “too important to not do anything, this we can all agree on” (Quoth Obama), but not important enough to cancel a field trip to the Ordway and hear public input?

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