Rod & reel prices vs. quality……….

  • iowa roger
    North central Iowa
    Posts: 259
    #1280352

    Howdy all,
    I have been studying the wishbooks ( catalogs )and am wondering if the rod and reels that are like $200 plus are really 4 or more times better than the $50 or $60 dollar ones.
    In all my years of fishing I have never felt like I could afford to pony up the bucks it takes for like a high end Loomis or St. Croix. Just wondering how much I have been missing out on.
    Same goes for reels of $200 on up, seems they have a few more goodies, but just wondering, hard for this old geezer to justify putting out this kind of bucks.

    I am looking forward to what the pros and cons of this are.

    Thanks for reading,
    Tight lines.

    Roger Heywood

    chamberschamps
    Mazomanie, WI
    Posts: 1089
    #1133508

    I was always happy with my 70$ gander mountain guide series walleye rods… Until I fished with John Schultz and whiskerkev and they let me use a st croix avid. World of difference. I bought one and have plans for a couple more by spring. You can be happy with the budget gear and certainly some is better than others, but I have learned that ya get what you pay for. Most importantly, never borrow high end gear until you can afford to buy it, because you may quickly realize just what you are missing.

    I do think there is a point of diminshing returns when it comes to rods and reels. A 190$ st croix avid was easily 3x better than my old 70$ rod, but I don’t think that a 600$ st croix tournament extreme would be 3x better than an avid…

    As for reels I think 200$ is a bit over the top. 100$ gets you a pretty nicer eel.

    gary d
    cordova,il
    Posts: 1125
    #1133509

    I’m sure it is the same for fly-rods. My little story is that I got a 250.00 fly-rod from Redington that I like but, I got a scif-angler fly rod from 3M Co. and it cost around 16.00 though the emp-store that I like alot better.Same rods in wt. and length. I think some of it is hype and name. If you are in the right place and time it will all work out with the equipment that you like.

    chamberschamps
    Mazomanie, WI
    Posts: 1089
    #1133512

    …and if you do pull the trigger on a st croix, check out Dean at anglersHQ. He was the best price and had it at my front door in two business days. I even got a smiley face on my receipt.

    ace_hurlburt
    Stillwater MN / Houston Tx
    Posts: 131
    #1133514

    Years ago I started buying Scheels Guide series Rods. They have lifetime warranty. I bought 8. Since then I have never had to purchase another rod. They match the quality and performance of the top St Croix Rods and if you break one you just bring it in the store and they replace it on the spot. As for Spinning reels. Flueger is about the best I have ever found. For around $50.00 for the president series you cant find a better reel for the money. Unfortunately in the reel industry most of the technology is invested in Bait casters leaving most spinning reels left in the use and throw away category. Just my 2 cents. Hope it helps.

    Ace

    tucrs
    NW Metro
    Posts: 999
    #1133518

    Yes there is huge difference is rods.

    First of all it is a game of diminishing returns. Once you hit about $200 rods become very light and very responsive. Going above that you can reduce weight even further with better guides and better blanks, but it is a game of dimishing returns.

    The biggest different once you go higher in blank cost the less fiberglass will be in the blank. The more fiber glass the more tough (think ugly stick) a rod will be. The less using a carbon fiber scrim will yield a better rod but the cost will be higher.

    Guides factor a lot into cost. Most $200 rods use guides that are okay for normal fishing. Better guides cost more than $100 per set.

    If you ever need more info let me know.

    John

    DrewH
    s/w WI.
    Posts: 1404
    #1133521

    Quote:


    …and if you do pull the trigger on a st croix, check out Dean at anglersHQ. He was the best price and had it at my front door in two business days. I even got a smiley face on my receipt.


    Times two.

    Steve Root
    South St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 5621
    #1133524

    Quote:


    I’m sure it is the same for fly-rods. My little story is that I got a 250.00 fly-rod from Redington that I like but, I got a scif-angler fly rod from 3M Co. and it cost around 16.00 though the emp-store that I like alot better.Same rods in wt. and length. I think some of it is hype and name. If you are in the right place and time it will all work out with the equipment that you like.


    I often wonder just what an $800 fly rod is supposed to do that a $100 fly rod can’t. I can throw 80-90 feet of line with a $100 rod and catch a lot of fish…so what am I (supposedly) missing? As far as I can tell, the really expensive high end fly rods weigh fractions of an ounce less and break easier.

    Spinning rods I think are a different story. The really good rods let you feel whats really happening down there better than a “deader” rod.

    Rootski

    ozzyky
    On water
    Posts: 817
    #1133526

    I think the rod is more important than the reel. $50-100 gets you a heck of a reel. I’ll poney up for a good rod though.

    DrewH
    s/w WI.
    Posts: 1404
    #1133533

    I purchased several XML rods from Cabelas and I was perfectly satisfied for the price $89. $139. Or so. I purchased a St. Croix Extreme. I have been more than impressed so I am in he process of replacing my other rods with Extremes. My opinion is some what an unsafisicated one with only 5 years of bass fishing under my belt. OMHO

    tucrs
    NW Metro
    Posts: 999
    #1133535

    Once you get over $600 the rods are more or less only changing looks not performance.

    John Schultz
    Inactive
    Portage, WI
    Posts: 3309
    #1133540

    I have a bunch of Avids, which are my customer rods. The difference in feel between an avid and a gander rod or ugly stick is night and day. Easily 3 times better. I use the Avids myself fairly often, but typically I fish with either a legend tournament or a legend extreme. Hard to quantify the difference when looking strictly at price. Are the avids a great rod? Yes. Is the Legend Extreme enough of a step up to justify? For me, yes. On a day when the fish are hammering baits, any rod will do. On a day when the bite is really lite, the difference between the two is the difference between catching a couple fish and catching a couple dozen fish.

    Ultimately, the only person that can decide if the extra cost is worth it is the one dropping the cash. As said in an earlier post, don’t borrow a high end rod unless you are ready to buy one. Once you use them, you probably won’t go back to cheap rods.

    Randy Wieland
    Lebanon. WI
    Posts: 13459
    #1133542

    The question most people are facing when looking at upper end equipment is not the quality; but rather does it have the value.
    Without a doubt, the top end equipment has better engineering, components, and usually, assembly.
    The question of value is more of like buying a new truck. What features do you need, what would you like to have, what are your expectations, and how important is each factor to you.
    That is where making a recommendation for someone to spend top $$$$ should be influenced by what they really need. Start by looking at what you currently have and ask yourself what you don’t like about it or what you want different. Are you burning reels up every year?, every other year?, is your equipment too heavy?, just not smooth?, sticky drag?, and that list can go on and on.
    For me, and I admit I am not the norm, I need equipment that is exceptionally light, very durable, titanium bail wires, excellent high end bearings, and able to with stand being used much more than the average. It is very common for me to dump my boat in the water and fish for 16-19 hours a day. Doing that for day after day, you wouldn’t believe how much fatigue is reduced by using a rod/reel that weighs 1 or 2 ounces less.
    I also fish a large variety of techniques and on a larger variety of water. My “medium” gear is used from Chinooks to sauger and everything in between. Having an ultra smooth drag is critical. In addition to the drag, is the bearings and over-all balance and performance of the reel. I’m a crank-bait junkie and throw them from ice out, to ice up. Almost scary to think of how many casts per outing I may make if you think of it as a cast per 8 or 9 seconds.

    As mentioned above on rods, the finishing costs can make for a huge difference. Again, there is every level of component available these days from bottom of the barrel to the absolute best of the best. Unfortunately, many people by equipment and don’t realize what they are actually buying. That is where doing a little homework in advance can make a value difference. Company X has a rod retailing for $229.00 and Company Z has one retailing for $249.99. Company Z uses a cheap real seat and junk guides. Company X uses a typical fuji real seat and all American Tackle Titan Solid Titanium frame with Nanolite inserts that are diamond ground/polished. Clearly if the blanks are of equal construction, company X is giving a much better value.

    Test drive – Not many people buy a truck without test driving. Do the same with the equipment. Ask around and find someone that has that rod or reel and see if you can use it for a day. You may discover that you want something different or that it meets your needs perfectly.

    There is some excellent info put together on a few different threads over the last year discussing more specifics on high end equipment. I didn’t have time to do a search, but IDO has a lot in here on the topic.

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #1133543

    I need to link this thread into the catfish forum.

    I start talking $149.00 for a catfish rod and some of them guys fall over dead.

    We just had a video of a fella landing a 68 pound flathead with a $15.00 rod and some kind of bass reel.

    Certainly less expensive rods/reels will catch fish, but good graphite or now, carbon fiber rods tell the tail of what’s under water allowing for better placements of baits along with the structure and if the hook picked up debris.

    It’s all about sensitivity.

    Mike W
    MN/Anoka/Ham lake
    Posts: 13292
    #1133547

    I think as you get more experienced or refined in your fishing skills a person needs there equipment to match this. Rods that I thought where great years ago no longer fit my fishing level as I now require more out of them. Some need to function for a specific presentation. Others need the extra sensitivity and so on.

    Now are high end fishing rods worth the extra money? As mentioned above lots of higher end rods have better blanks, construction and components than less expensive ones. Still with this if the rod is not perfectly matched to you and what you want it to do might just want to hold out until you find the right one.

    Matching up rods can be tricky. Finding a good fishing rod monger like Dean is of great help. His try it before you buy it fishing rod deal was fantastic and opened my eyes to how I buy fishing rods. I would recommend everyone ask there fish rod suppliers for this. You will most likely get some resistance but may be surprised with the results.

    I would say buy the best rod you can that meets your needs and with in your budget. Go to low on quality or price and it will be in your mind every time you use it. Go to high and I know some guys that would think “I cant believe I paid this much for that rod” every time they pick it up.

    Put some of those higher end rods in your hands or better yet to use on the water and see what you like or dislike about them. Reel seats, grips, sensitivity, looks, eyelets, ect. maybe try to get used to what some of the higher end rods have to offer and then you can make a more informed decision.

    Think the same could be added to just about any piece of fishing equipment you are looking at. Anyways thats my ramblings on this for the morning.

    clwuensch
    Rockland, Wi
    Posts: 129
    #1133603

    And you, Brian, have ALWAYS been soooooo sensitive…….!?!

    bclii
    MN/AZ
    Posts: 478
    #1133618

    Quote:


    Howdy all,
    I have been studying the wishbooks ( catalogs )and am wondering if the rod and reels that are like $200 plus are really 4 or more times better than the $50 or $60 dollar ones.
    In all my years of fishing I have never felt like I could afford to pony up the bucks it takes for like a high end Loomis or St. Croix. Just wondering how much I have been missing out on.


    This is why I started building rods 15 years ago. I use mostly all st croix blanks. I have used some g loomis. This is done at a fraction of the cost of a new rod!

    Buzz
    Minneapolis MN
    Posts: 1802
    #1133654

    I’m a big fan of Shimano rods and reels. I like the warranty. When you get up it the $200-300 range I’m expecting to use them for 4-5 years with little maintenance. Chances of breaking one rod a year is high. After about four years on a reel, I send it back to Shimano with $25 and they go through it and replace all worn parts. This adds 2-3 more years to having a really good reel.

    nhamm
    Inactive
    Robbinsdale
    Posts: 7348
    #1133673

    Higher end rods won’t catch you more fish if you don’t catch that much right now. I guess that’s what it comes down to it for me. Better fisherman want and require better equipment to go along with the set of skills that they have acquired to fine tune their game. I personally think its a darn shame when I talk with other fisherman at launches or on the lakes and see they are running a legend 6’8″ tourney rod with a smoke reel on a $20000 rig and they day after day don’t catch nearly the fish of others. Or when they buy a $450 custom rod from throne bros. And you ask what line they run on it and they say whatever is the cheapest You mentioned you were an old geezer so that means you probably don’t have to worry about kids breaking it in boat or other mishaps I say go buy a $200 rod with a $100 buck reel and just try it out. Life is short and heck why not. Might lead you down the road of that $500 combo down the road, or curse this darn forum for talking you into the one you already bought

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