Guns

  • DrewH
    s/w WI.
    Posts: 1404
    #1280248

    “If it just saves one life” How do you like it so far.

    BBKK
    IA
    Posts: 4033
    #1131401

    He’s making a very smart decision backing the ban of AR style weapons. Please a bunch of yuppies that hate guns and urine off all the gun enthusiasts… sadly the yuppies outnumber the enthusiasts by a large number. That’s politics.

    life1978
    Eau Claire , WI
    Posts: 2790
    #1131404

    Quote:


    He’s making a very smart decision backing the ban of AR style weapons. Please a bunch of yuppies that hate guns and urine off all the gun enthusiasts… sadly the yuppies outnumber the enthusiasts by a large number. That’s politics.



    Why is this a smart decision to ban Ar style weapons?

    jon_jordan
    St. Paul, Mn
    Posts: 10908
    #1131405

    Not true. Congress will not reinstate the asssult weapons ban. Or limit magazine size. Obama knows it.

    -J.

    vikefanmn77
    Northfield,MN
    Posts: 1493
    #1131406

    Funding for enforcement of the ban would have to go through congress regardless of whether he uses executive action or not. This will never be funded, but may be implemented at the state level anyways. Bottom line, what he is attempting to do is blatently unconstitutional…but really, what do you expect outta this

    jon_jordan
    St. Paul, Mn
    Posts: 10908
    #1131407

    If states enact bans, the courts will overturn the law. Just happened in Illinois.

    -J.

    lhprop1
    Eagan
    Posts: 1899
    #1131413

    Quote:


    “If it just saves one life” How do you like it so far.


    The one life it saves on the front end may cost many more on the back end.

    Jesse Krook
    Y.M.H.
    Posts: 6403
    #1131418

    How many lives have AR’s saved

    kroger3
    blaine mn
    Posts: 1116
    #1131421

    496 people were killed by hammers last year. can we limit those? pretty sure not many of those were accidental.

    suzuki
    Woodbury, Mn
    Posts: 18602
    #1131422

    I’m pleasantly suprised by the outcome today.

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #1131424

    Quote:


    I’m pleasantly suprised by the outcome today.


    Help us less informed Mike.

    Jesse Krook
    Y.M.H.
    Posts: 6403
    #1131430

    Quote:


    I’m pleasantly suprised by the outcome today.


    I wouldn’t believe anything that comes out of Obama’s mouth. It’s all sugar coated BS He’ll say what you want to hear but his agenda remains the same

    kooty
    Keymaster
    1 hour 15 mins to the Pond
    Posts: 18101
    #1131431

    Quote:


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    I’m pleasantly suprised by the outcome today.


    I wouldn’t believe anything that comes out of Obama’s mouth. It’s all sugar coated BS He’ll say what you want to hear but his agenda remains the same


    Exactly. I was about half sick watching him. Using those poor kids and the other shootings to push his agenda.

    jon_jordan
    St. Paul, Mn
    Posts: 10908
    #1131433

    Quote:


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    I’m pleasantly suprised by the outcome today.


    Help us less informed Mike.


    Obama used executive order to spend money on new government programs rather than make sweeping changes to law. He left that up to congress.

    New programs = School cops, mental health programs and studies by the centers for desise for example.

    -J.

    vikefanmn77
    Northfield,MN
    Posts: 1493
    #1131434

    Quote:


    I’m pleasantly suprised by the outcome today.


    If you mean him not going after the semi’s and clips without congress, then I guess I am too.

    vikefanmn77
    Northfield,MN
    Posts: 1493
    #1131437

    The state must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people. As long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation.

    …Hitler, Mein Kampf

    suzuki
    Woodbury, Mn
    Posts: 18602
    #1131438

    Quote:


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    I’m pleasantly suprised by the outcome today.


    If you mean him not going after the semi’s and clips without congress, then I guess I am too.


    That and all things high-capacity including all the nice handguns so many of us have now. Todays congress is unlikely to institute any bans.

    Jesse Krook
    Y.M.H.
    Posts: 6403
    #1131442

    Isnt murder already illegal ? Banning any type of weapon is not going to stop a psychopath from commiting murder.

    eyejacker
    Hudson, Wisconsin
    Posts: 1890
    #1131451

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    I’m pleasantly suprised by the outcome today.


    I see this as merely the opening salvo, The “camel’s head in tent” if you will! I do not for a nanosecond believe he will be satisfied with this! The heavy lifting is yet to come.

    jon_jordan
    St. Paul, Mn
    Posts: 10908
    #1131452

    Obama is not up for re-election. Everyone else is!!!

    -J.

    jon_jordan
    St. Paul, Mn
    Posts: 10908
    #1131459

    Here is the list of executive orders:

    1. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system.

    2. Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system.

    3. Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system.

    4. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.

    5. Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun.

    6. Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers.

    7. Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign.

    8. Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission).

    9. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations.

    10. Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement.

    11. Nominate an ATF director.

    12. Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations.

    13. Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime.

    14. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.

    15. Direct the Attorney General to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies.

    16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.

    17. Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities.

    18. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.

    19. Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education.

    20. Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover.

    21. Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges.

    22. Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations.

    23. Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health.

    Nice way to spend anouth $500 million we don’t have!

    -J.

    carroll58
    Twin Cities, USA
    Posts: 2094
    #1131467

    “We must reject the idea that every time a law’s broken, society is guilty rather than the lawbreaker. It is time to restore the American precept that each individual is accountable for his actions.”

    – Ronald Reagan, Republican National Convention, Platform Committee Meeting, Miami, Florida, July 31, 1968

    Jesse Krook
    Y.M.H.
    Posts: 6403
    #1131472

    Quote:


    Nice way to spend anouth $500 million we don’t have!


    It’s ok…..that’s how much he cut the Military/defense budget so it just balances out

    1hl&sinker
    On the St.Croix
    Posts: 2501
    #1131483

    Quote:


    Here is the list of executive orders:

    1. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system.

    2. Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system.

    3. Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system.

    4. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.

    5. Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun.

    6. Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers.

    7. Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign.

    8. Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission).

    9. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations.

    10. Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement.

    11. Nominate an ATF director.

    12. Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations.

    13. Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime.

    14. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.

    15. Direct the Attorney General to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies.

    16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.

    17. Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities.

    18. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.

    19. Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education.

    20. Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover.

    21. Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges.

    22. Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations.

    23. Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health.

    Nice way to spend anouth $500 million we don’t have!

    -J.


    Do nothing? Your saying. Its going to cost money for what ever is that is going to be done. $500,000 million is a hefty price tag and I cant say I agree with the cost. Though I see nothing wrong in any of these executive orders. As for what the president is pushing congress to do well thats a fence I cant make my mind up on which side to land on. I mean if former president Reagan and Ford supported a ban on assault guns what is one to think.

    The engines of the paranoid and fanatics have started watch the circus come to town.

    jon_jordan
    St. Paul, Mn
    Posts: 10908
    #1131499

    Quote:


    Do nothing? Your saying.


    Lets assume every one of these proposals were in effect the day Obama took office. Tell me how any of these would have prevented any mass shooing durning the last 4 years?

    -J.

    kooty
    Keymaster
    1 hour 15 mins to the Pond
    Posts: 18101
    #1131503

    Quote:


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    Do nothing? Your saying.


    Lets assume every one of these proposals were in effect the day Obama took office. Tell me how any of these would have prevented any mass shooing during the last 4 years?

    -J.


    Stop it, common sense isn’t allowed in this debate.

    I’m pretty sure murder was illegal during this same time frame. Cuz we all know criminals follow all the laws on the books. Again, I was pretty sick watching the President of the United States lie to the American public today.

    1hl&sinker
    On the St.Croix
    Posts: 2501
    #1131508

    I can not answer that nor can anyone, then nor can anyone say they would not have helped. Aside from the over priced tag where does any of these excec orders infringe on us?

    18. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers. Is that not what the NRA would like?

    Talk about common sense brake each one of these orders down they make sense to me even though many are generic and obvious in nature.

    4. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.

    Isn’t this just enforcing a law already on the books?

    jon_jordan
    St. Paul, Mn
    Posts: 10908
    #1131513

    Quote:


    18. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers. Is that not what the NRA would like?


    Who was the first person shot and killed in the Red Lake Minnesota school shooting?

    -J.

    bullcans
    Northfield MN
    Posts: 2002
    #1131514

    Quote:


    How many lives have AR’s saved


    Very well put Jesse!

    Wade Boardman
    Grand Rapids, MN
    Posts: 4453
    #1131515

    Quote:


    Here is the list of executive orders:

    1. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system.

    2. Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system.

    3. Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system.

    4. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.

    5. Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun.

    6. Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers.

    7. Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign.

    8. Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission).

    9. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations.

    10. Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement.

    11. Nominate an ATF director.

    12. Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations.

    13. Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime.

    14. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.

    15. Direct the Attorney General to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies.

    16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.

    17. Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities.

    18. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.

    19. Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education.

    20. Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover.

    21. Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges.

    22. Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations.

    23. Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health.

    Nice way to spend anouth $500 million we don’t have!

    -J.


    All pretty vague.

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