This is a very good reply ,as a father of 2 boys 34&35 who have both became succesful ,that got a swat when they needed it and a hug when they needed that too, a demand to do there best whether they failed or sucseded. They were shooting hand guns at 9 &10,shotguns 12ga, by 12 ,they have never ben a hazard to society! now the deers,coyotes,ducks&geese on the other hand arn’t so lucky. this Josh on the right and 1 of his hunting buddies.
Stan 
I agree with everything in your post Randy. I do not agree with the post that tries to equate a car accident the same as a mass shooting. A car accident that kills a lot of people is just that an accident. If we go hunting or to the gun range we know that there could be an accident that kills us on the way. Once there I or one of my friends could have an accident with their weapon and as a result I could die. These risks most people are ready to accept. A mass shooting is no accident and to compare the two does not make any sense to me. I believe 100% that guns are not the problem, people are. But until we get the people side worked out maybe we should try and make some common sense steps to mitigate the damage these nuts can inflict.
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But until we get the people side worked out maybe we should try and make some common sense steps to mitigate the damage these nuts can inflict.
The term common sense has been lost in most major metro areas and certainly isn’t present in places such as state and national law making facilities. 
I agree!
I have yet to hear a single logical argument as to exactly how adding new laws like limiting magazine size and banning assault style rifles is going to prevent or even reduce the chances of another incident like what happened in Connecticut.
The simple fact of the matter is that criminals have no regard for laws or lives and no amount of new legislation is going to change that.
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Why are 25 to 30 round clips required?
I will hazard a response, if you first tell me why we need cars that can attain speeds of 120 mph or more, and which statistically is the greater potential threat to ones demise, said car or said clips?
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I have yet to hear a single logical argument as to exactly how adding new laws like limiting magazine size and banning assault style rifles is going to prevent or even reduce the chances of another incident like what happened in Connecticut.
The simple fact of the matter is that criminals have no regard for laws or lives and no amount of new legislation is going to change that.
I am in total agreement! 
The criminal element will continue to have them and that is a given, all you are doing is handicapping the law abiding citizen!
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I was sitting on the fence as a life long hunter and gun owner. I support an assault rifle ban more after watching this video.
1. I reject the argument that it takes 5 rounds from the Hulda to do as much damage as one round from the shotgun. High speed bullets kill, use a hollow point and I doubt there is much difference in killing and maiming power of each weapon with one shot to the target.
2. Put up 25 targets and retime how long it takes to put one round into each target. Put up 50 targets. There is no reason to have a gun that can shoot 25 rounds without reloading.
3. The shotgun is a devastating weapon at close range that quickly loses it effectiveness as the distance increases. What is the killing range of the Hulda? what happens when you fire the Hulda at an intruder, miss and kill your next door neighbor across the street standing in his house?Finally has anyone else noticed that it is always single white males that do the mass shootings? Maybe they would not be drawn to old wood stock shotgun instead of the sexy assault rifle that looks just like the one they use in the games.
At some point we have to ask if some restrictions are not reasonable to try and save some lives.
great take..change is coming..either get to the table and have input or sit back and [censored]
The reason “gun control” (civilian disarmament) is brought up, is because it is the path of least resistance for politicians. I don’t think that one more law should be passed until they balance the budget.
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Why are 25 to 30 round clips required?
They aren’t required … they’re optional 
I have a novel idea! Lets make drugs illegal and that will take care of the drug problem!
I don’t care how many laws you establish. Evil will still find a way to cause carnage. Stop trying to take away my rights as a law abiding citizen. If I want to own a 100 round magazine I should be able to!
I do not think the actual discussion has anything to do will assault versus none assault. I think some people need to point to something outside of there control. I believe that mental illness, along with first person video games is the real issue here. Guess some time we will have to change back to watching our kids. I remember my game as a child…it was called, Get outside and play. Sorry for the soapbox.
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Why are 25 to 30 round clips required?
Just a note on this. And it drives me nuts. Clips and Magaziness are DIFERENT. A Clip feeds a Magazine!
I’d say a clip is an expanded magazine; clips usually don’t feed the magazine
(they sit inside of and completely fill all the magazine area plus they also hang out of the magazine area)
but they feed directly to the “chamber” (just like the magazine would if there were not a clip in the magazine)
Sweet! A fight over clip vs magazine. BRING IT!!! 
It’s not nearly as fun as a few I’ve been part of recently regarding what IS vs what ISN’T an “assault weapon” 
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I’d say a clip is an expanded magazine; clips usually don’t feed the magazine
(they sit inside of and completely fill all the magazine area plus they also hang out of the magazine area)
but they feed directly to the “chamber” (just like the magazine would if there were not a clip in the magazine)
Again. Look it up if I wasn’t at work where it is blocked I’d post the picture to make it very simple. Think of a M1 Grand rifle. It has an internal magazine. Rounds were loading into a Stripper clip and then set ontop of the open chamber and pushed intp the Magazine.
which would be completely different than how a bannana clip would work in say a Ruger 10-.22 or a AK47
so it could be either way depending on the model of firearm and the type of clip 
This thread just bit the dust. Sorry Mr. Mills.
At least we gave you 4 good pages and that aint bad arond here. 
Oh man. There’s my favorite T-shirt girl again. I’m gld shes nit efecting mi tiping…..
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I hear so many people, including myself, state that we need people that reproduce to be PARENTS instead of passive, guilt consumed people that spoil their kids. My question is why won’t people just do it? Its common sense, right? I don’t believe in beating kids to a bloody mess, but what happen to the swat on the rear and a stern corrective action? Obviously our need to have double incomes to just cover most living costs have the vast majority of families with both mom & dad working. I just don’t understand people that choose to be a friend, feel guilty, and spoil their kids because of a lack of a stay home mom or dad. Some where a fear developed that left kids to be educated that they have a level of entitlement, disregard for others, and no freak’n ethics.
It really ticks me off to no end, because of the accusations I go through. I can’t believe how many people over the last 17 years have told me to my face that I am too hard on my kids, I set expectations too high, I make them work too much, blah, blah, blah. Well if it offends someone that I am a Father instead of a sperm donor they can kiss myI know I brag up my daughters achievements, but they EARNED it.
So, to shorten this, I ask why have we allowed politicians to run our country with the same level of no responsibility? Think about it, if you went to work and performed at the same level, you would be fired. We’ve created an urban society that has lost touch with core values and now we are paying the price.
Great post Randy.
Never had to whack our daughter, but she knew it was certainly an option..and that my friends, makes all the difference in the world. No consequences, and the unruly will rule.
Can you imagine trying to train a gun dog, with no semblance of correction. See how far that gets you..
Kudos to MFF. Didnt quite understand all the logic, as any assailant after being hit with the first 223 round would not be standing for the second, like the target.. Its not the weapon.. but then, you guys all know that. I dont have a AR style gun, in fact, I dont have a “black gun” of any sort in the safe. I have no use for an AR, so therefore, Im not going to spend the coin, and Im surely not going to just go out and buy one just because I can.. but, with that said, my 1964 Remington 742 6mm sits in the safe along with about ten other semi rifles and shotguns getting ready to welcome the 1965 Browning A5 20 guage magnum skeet that I just bought last week that I havent even seen yet. Those kind of semis give me wood.. 
Was there even a Sandy Hook tragedy at all?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wx9GxXYKx_8&feature=player_embedded
Well after watching a dozen related videos…….. very interesting. 
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