Feinstein Goes For Broke With New Gun-Ban Bill

  • average-joe
    Hudson, WI
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    As for eliminating term limits, that will never happen. Rep. Jose Serrano is just doing some butt kissing.


    This D-Bag has tried this 14 times before, and has never been successful

    Like Jesse said, Serrano is just spending some time under Obama’s desk, so he can get a cushy cabinet post during Obama’s second term

    eyejacker
    Hudson, Wisconsin
    Posts: 1890
    #1129113

    I have a solution, let’s pass a law making murder a crime!

    eyejacker
    Hudson, Wisconsin
    Posts: 1890
    #1129118

    Far more innocents are killed by medical mistakes and autos than guns, In fact the gun fatalities pale in comparison!
    What do you propose we do about that?

    cougareye
    Hudson, WI
    Posts: 4145
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    Well for Autos the US has mandated seat belts, that cars pass levels of safety standards, most have airbags, and are constructed so that upon impact the passengers are not immediately squashed.

    DUI arrests are way up, etc.

    So the US citizens, in response to the high rate of auto deaths have had to put on a seat belt and drive sober.

    Are you proposing we do nothing about the school, mall, and theatre shootings? Just accept them as course of business?

    t-ellis
    Colorado Springs, CO
    Posts: 1316
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    I have included two stories I ran across in ‘Fox Nation’ news today,


    C’mon, really? Fox Nation? Why is everyone panicking?

    You have 26 dead innocents at a school, you cannot go to a school, mall, or movie theatre today and feel 100% safe. Something is going to change, I’m sorry.

    I’m not in favor of any type of anti-gun laws, don’t believe guns kill people, etc. but something will change based on the violent acts that have occurred lately.

    That’s not tyranny! There’s a trend in this country and the solution is not readily apparent to anyone. But we must try something.

    Personally, I’m in favor of making stricter laws on prosecuting people who’s guns get used in a crime. So for example, if my kids (or a neighbor or whoever) grabs one of my guns and kills someone, I go to jail. I bet with that type of law, guns get locked up by their owners real quick and accessibility to them becomes limited.

    There are way more solutions to this terrible trend than magazine restrictions and attacks on AR type guns, but rest assured, something is going to change.

    ET


    Finally some common sense rather than the usual banter and bullsh*t.

    cougareye
    Hudson, WI
    Posts: 4145
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    I think I’ve already answered the question about cars. Planes, really much of the same.

    The sobering fact here is that the US has a horrific trend of people taking out their issues by shooting innocent people in public places. We’ve really become our own terrorists.

    And because of this things will need to change and as a country, we will find a way to overcome it.

    That’s what we do in the US. Got a problem? Put the best engineers, scientists, police officers, etc in the world on it and we overcome it.

    But things will be changing……….they have to.

    ET

    mplspug
    Palmetto, Florida
    Posts: 25026
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    Well for Autos the US has mandated seat belts, that cars pass levels of safety standards, most have airbags, and are constructed so that upon impact the passengers are not immediately squashed.
    DUI arrests are way up, etc.
    So the US citizens, in response to the high rate of auto deaths have had to put on a seat belt and drive sober.

    Are you proposing we do nothing about the school, mall, and theatre shootings? Just accept them as course of business?


    If you make the comparison to autos, then the regs they are proposing are akin to banning SUVs and making the speed limit 30 everywhere. Even then it isn’t even a good comparison because those laws would actually cut down on auto accidents and deaths.

    The problem is most of the laws they want to pass are a facade. They won’t actually stop any horrific crimes they are trying to prevent.

    eyejacker
    Hudson, Wisconsin
    Posts: 1890
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    Well for Autos the US has mandated seat belts, that cars pass levels of safety standards, most have airbags, and are constructed so that upon impact the passengers are not immediately squashed.
    DUI arrests are way up, etc.
    So the US citizens, in response to the high rate of auto deaths have had to put on a seat belt and drive sober.

    Are you proposing we do nothing about the school, mall, and theatre shootings? Just accept them as course of business?



    Man inherently has a violent side since his very beginning, which has not been eliminated by time, nor will it ever be! In the most recent year for which there are statistics, Only 3.5% of murders were caused by using a rifle, which includes the AR-15, actually more murders were committed using hammers than rifles. The problem is not the guns, rather whose hands they are in. Unfortunately many of these atrocities are committed by people with mental problems. They must be identified and institutionalized, a major benefit of this approach would be to reduce our two party our political system to just one grand old party(just kidding, kinda). We also can outlaw hammers, knives, arms, legs, bath tubs and anything else that could be or has been used as a lethal weapon.
    Here is another interesting statistic (from 1994-2011). Is there any correlation?

    US violent crime rate down 49%,
    US murder rate down 49%

    1994 gun ownership 192 million
    2009 gun ownership 310 million

    Also as a side bar, in spite of all the automobile improvements there were 32,887 and 32,367 auto deaths reported in 2010 and 2011 respectively. How many of them do you think were innocent children. I suspect the number far exceeds the number killed by AR-15 rifles or any type of gun for that matter! We have got to find a way to keep lethal automobiles out of the hands of not just criminals and the mentally disturbed, but all people. Outlawing alcoholic beverages and mechanically limiting the ability of the automobile of going faster than 20 mph or going back to the horse and buggy could be the potential resolutions, provided we don’t allow the steed to drink booze!

    cougareye
    Hudson, WI
    Posts: 4145
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    If you make the comparison to autos, then the regs they are proposing are akin to banning SUVs and making the speed limit 30 everywhere. Even then it isn’t even a good comparison because those laws would actually cut down on auto accidents and deaths.

    The problem is most of the laws they want to pass are a facade. They won’t actually stop any horrific crimes they are trying to prevent.


    Respect your opinion but disagree with your statement. The comparison would not be SUV’s, it was the government mandating that all autos be able to perform to a certain safety level on crash tests, etc.

    No one law will eliminate the violence we are seeing, but we have to try something or things. Much like autos, it won’t go to zero deaths, but the auto example shows what applying US ingenuity can do to limit the tragedy’s.

    Let’s stop comparing it to anything and just deal with the issue at hand. Change must occur and we can’t just sweep this under the rug.

    ET

    suzuki
    Woodbury, Mn
    Posts: 18625
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    Restricting firearms is not going to limit death. It will only change who dies and using history as a roadmap it will be more innocents.

    t-ellis
    Colorado Springs, CO
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    The problem is most of the laws they want to pass are a facade. They won’t actually stop any horrific crimes they are trying to prevent.


    How do you know it won’t work? It worked very well for Australia who faced a similar situation back in 1996. What would be wrong by requiring background checks at guns shows and private sales? Better give alittle now or alot later unfortunately.

    kooty
    Keymaster
    1 hour 15 mins to the Pond
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    Let’s stop comparing it to anything and just deal with the issue at hand. Change must occur and we can’t just sweep this under the rug.

    ET


    Please tell me how changing any law is going to stop bad people from doing bad things? A murderer doesn’t give a hoot that it’s illegal. Pretty sure murder had been illegal for a few years now. Hasn’t stopped any of these mass shootings, which by the way, are a VERY small percentage of gun deaths over the last 10 years.

    How about that lady I watched smoking in her car today with the 3-4 year old in the back seat. She’s slowly killing that kid, shouldn’t she go to jail for cigarette smoke?

    Maybe the US government should mandate parents to actually be parents? I gotta tinker on this one. I might be on to something.

    t-ellis
    Colorado Springs, CO
    Posts: 1316
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    How about that lady I watched smoking in her car today with the 3-4 year old in the back seat. She’s slowly killing that kid, shouldn’t she go to jail for cigarette smoke?

    Maybe the US government should mandate parents to actually be parents? I gotta tinker on this one. I might be on to something.


    Yes she should go to jail she is endangering a child and I agree it all starts with good parenting.

    suzuki
    Woodbury, Mn
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    mplspug
    Palmetto, Florida
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    How do you know it won’t work? It worked very well for Australia who faced a similar situation back in 1996. What would be wrong by requiring background checks at guns shows and private sales? Better give alittle now or alot later unfortunately.


    Well those aren’t the changes that I am against. Its the overreaching ones that won’t do anything.

    You can’t compare countries either as apples to apples either. There are so many other things that go into it like culture.

    For example, with Obamacare people were comparing us to other countries. They used them as models as to how to cheaply provide healthcare for everyone.

    However, it doesn’t work that way for many reasons. First of all, Americans are generally unhealthy and fat compared to most countries. Also, physicians in other countries don’t make as much money (ever wonder why so many times you visit the doctor they have an accent?). Lastly, many countries cap how much a pharmaceutical company can charge for their drugs. I know this is a gun debate, but you get the idea about my apples to apples comment.

    t-ellis
    Colorado Springs, CO
    Posts: 1316
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    How do you know it won’t work? It worked very well for Australia who faced a similar situation back in 1996. What would be wrong by requiring background checks at guns shows and private sales? Better give alittle now or alot later unfortunately.


    Well those aren’t the changes that I am against. Its the overreaching ones that won’t do anything.

    You can’t compare countries either as apples to apples either. There are so many other things that go into it like culture.

    For example, with Obamacare people were comparing us to other countries. They used them as models as to how to cheaply provide healthcare for everyone.

    However, it doesn’t work that way for many reasons. First of all, Americans are generally unhealthy and fat compared to most countries. Also, physicians in other countries don’t make as much money (ever wonder why so many times you visit the doctor they have an accent?). Lastly, many countries cap how much a pharmaceutical company can charge for their drugs. I know this is a gun debate, but you get the idea about my apples to apples comment.


    I do agree Pug we are in uncharted water here in the USA and I don’t agree with as restrictive legislation as Australia passed although it has worked well for them since 1996.

    jon_jordan
    St. Paul, Mn
    Posts: 10908
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    If Obama uses executive order to make new gun law, he will be the last democrat elected in our lifetime. Also, the next president would undo the order with the swipe of a pen on the first day in office.

    Congress will not make sweeping gun law changes. Some needed tweaks? Maybe. Maybe just enough to satisfy the liberals and keep their jobs.

    If you are not a member of the NRA. Today is the day to join.

    http://home.nra.org

    -J.

    eyejacker
    Hudson, Wisconsin
    Posts: 1890
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    If Obama uses executive order to make new gun law, he will be the last democrat elected in our lifetime. Also, the next president would undo the order with the swipe of a pen on the first day in office.

    Congress will not make sweeping gun law changes. Some needed tweaks? Maybe. Maybe just enough to satisfy the liberals and keep their jobs.

    If you are not a member of the NRA. Today is the day to join.

    http://home.nra.org

    -J.



    I can only hope you a correct, Jon. My NRA membership is paid through 2017

    jon_jordan
    St. Paul, Mn
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    I don’t agree with as restrictive legislation as Australia passed although it has worked well for them since 1996.


    Really? And keep in mind the WSJ is not a liberal or conservative publication. Just some of the best writers in this country.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323777204578195470446855466.html

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    What to conclude? Strict gun laws in Great Britain and Australia haven’t made their people noticeably safer, nor have they prevented massacres. The two major countries held up as models for the U.S. don’t provide much evidence that strict gun laws will solve our problems.


    -J.

    jon_jordan
    St. Paul, Mn
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    I can only hope you a correct, Jon.


    I remain confident.

    Even if states try to step in and make unreasonable gun laws, the courts will step in and put the hammer down.

    As recent as last month Federal courts mandated that Illinois make new law allowing citizens to conceal and carry tossing state law into the toilet!

    http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-12-11/news/chi-us-appeals-court-strikes-down-states-concealedcarry-ban-20121211_1_court-strikes-appeals-court-david-sigale

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    “The Supreme Court’s interpretation of the Second Amendment compelled the appeals court to rule the ban unconstitutional, the judges said. But the court gave 180 days to “allow the Illinois legislature to craft a new gun law that will impose reasonable limitations, consistent with the public safety and the Second Amendment as interpreted in this opinion, on the carrying of guns in public.”


    -J.

    t-ellis
    Colorado Springs, CO
    Posts: 1316
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    Jon I do agree in general however I should have advised its working that Australians haven’t had the amount of mass killings as before their 1996 laws were passed. I should have been more clear and I’m not saying its our solution but we can’t continue to do nothing.

    jon_jordan
    St. Paul, Mn
    Posts: 10908
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    we can’t continue to do nothing.


    Why not?

    The cost of freedon has from the beginning been paid for in blood. Even the blood of children. Are you saying you are willing to give up your freedom? I am not.

    -J.

    suzuki
    Woodbury, Mn
    Posts: 18625
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    we can’t continue to do nothing.


    Why not?

    The cost of freedon has from the beginning been paid for in blood. Even the blood of children. Are you saying you are willing to give up your freedom? I am not.

    -J.


    This. There is nothing comparable to real freedom and its expensive. I do not want to go backwards either.

    t-ellis
    Colorado Springs, CO
    Posts: 1316
    #1129494

    Unfortunately I don’t see the USA as placing high in the freedom category nor do any reputable sources compiling freedom indexes. Sad but true.

    Mudshark
    LaCrosse WI
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    It worked very well for Australia who faced a similar situation back in 1996


    Violent crime has risen by 42% since the ban in Australia….
    Is that “working well”??

    Just saying.

    big_g
    Isle, MN
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    Unfortunately I don’t see the USA as placing high in the freedom category nor do any reputable sources compiling freedom indexes. Sad but true.


    The biggest issues are people being reasonable and recognizing reality. Both sides of this are so far one way or the other, it leaves a reasonable person, scratching their head While I can agree that these killing sprees need to stop or at least be lessoned, doing it by taking away MY right to guns, is the most assinine thing I have ever heard by the same token, lines need to be drawn on what is a reasonable weapon, for the masses to be able to enjoy & arm themselves… there is a line now, if it needs to move, so be it. But it needs to be done reasonable and realistically. Unfortunately, both sides tend to “go for broke” with bills and laws, because that is how government works….or doesn’t.

    Jesse Krook
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    Jesse Krook
    Y.M.H.
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    Violent crime has risen by 42% since the ban in Australia….
    Is that “working well”??

    Just saying.


    How’s it working for Illinois or Ireland also ? Not so hot

    cougareye
    Hudson, WI
    Posts: 4145
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    Why not?

    The cost of freedon has from the beginning been paid for in blood. Even the blood of children. Are you saying you are willing to give up your freedom? I am not.


    This is really an unfortunate statement!

    Let me ask you this, and this is not just JJ,

    Is your “freedom” to own any weapon of choice, more important than your freedom to safely move about the country and truely be free?

    How can you feel more free with a right to own a weapon as opposed to feeling secure to send your kids to school?

    To me, I’d be more inclined to feel like my kids, family, and neighbors aren’t going to get shot at a mall, movie, or school than have a right to own anything.

    This is just incomprehensible to me.

    ET

    eyejacker
    Hudson, Wisconsin
    Posts: 1890
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    “The Supreme Court’s interpretation of the Second Amendment compelled the appeals court to rule the ban unconstitutional, the judges said. But the court gave 180 days to “allow the Illinois legislature to craft a new gun law that will impose reasonable limitations, consistent with the public safety and the Second Amendment as interpreted in this opinion, on the carrying of guns in public.”


    The problem I see is sooner or later the composition of the Supreme Court will change, in all probability during the present administration. When that happens the impact of their interpretation on Second Amendment related matters which they choose to take up is any ones guess. Contemplating that I find quite worrisome!

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