Feinstein Goes For Broke With New Gun-Ban Bill

  • Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #1280079

    Long, but important post.

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    Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.)—author of the federal “assault weapon” and “large” ammunition magazine ban of 1994-2004—has announced that on the first day of the new Congress—January 3rd— she will introduce a bill to which her 1994 ban will pale by comparison. On Dec. 17th, Feinstein said, “I have been working with my staff for over a year on this legislation” and “It will be carefully focused.” Indicating the depth of her research on the issue, she said on Dec. 21st that she had personally looked at pictures of guns in 1993, and again in 2012.

    According to a Dec. 27th posting on Sen. Feinstein’s website and a draft of the bill obtained by NRA-ILA, the new ban would, among other things, adopt new definitions of “assault weapon” that would affect a much larger variety of firearms, require current owners of such firearms to register them with the federal government under the National Firearms Act, and require forfeiture of the firearms upon the deaths of their current owners. Some of the changes in Feinstein’s new bill are as follows:

    * Reduces, from two to one, the number of permitted external features on various firearms. The 1994 ban permitted various firearms to be manufactured only if they were assembled with no more than one feature listed in the law. Feinstein’s new bill would prohibit the manufacture of the same firearms with even one of the features.

    * Adopts new lists of prohibited external features. For example, whereas the 1994 ban applied to a rifle or shotgun the “pistol grip” of which “protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon,” the new bill would drastically expand the definition to include any “grip . . . or any other characteristic that can function as a grip.” Also, the new bill adds “forward grip” to the list of prohibiting features for rifles, defining it as “a grip located forward of the trigger that functions as a pistol grip.” Read literally and in conjunction with the reduction from two features to one, the new language would apply to every detachable-magazine semi-automatic rifle. At a minimum, it would, for example, ban all models of the AR-15, even those developed for compliance with California’s highly restrictive ban.

    * Carries hyperbole further than the 1994 ban. Feinstein’s 1994 ban listed “grenade launcher” as one of the prohibiting features for rifles. Her 2013 bill carries goes even further into the ridiculous, by also listing “rocket launcher.” Such devices are restricted under the National Firearms Act and, obviously, are not standard components of the firearms Feinstein wants to ban. Perhaps a subsequent Feinstein bill will add “nuclear bomb,” “particle beam weapon,” or something else equally far-fetched to the features list.

    Expands the definition of “assault weapon” by including:

    * Three very popular rifles: The M1 Carbine (introduced in 1944 and for many years sold by the federal government to individuals involved in marksmanship competition), a model of the Ruger Mini-14, and most or all models of the SKS.

    * Any “semiautomatic, centerfire, or rimfire rifle that has a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds,” except for tubular-magazine .22s.

    * Any “semiautomatic, centerfire, or rimfire rifle that has an overall length of less than 30 inches,” any “semiautomatic handgun with a fixed magazine that has the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds,” and any semi-automatic handgun that has a threaded barrel.

    Requires owners of existing “assault weapons” to register them with the federal government under the National Firearms Act (NFA). The NFA imposes a $200 tax per firearm, and requires an owner to submit photographs and fingerprints to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATFE), to inform the BATFE of the address where the firearm will be kept, and to obtain the BATFE’s permission to transport the firearm across state lines.

    Prohibits the transfer of “assault weapons.” Owners of other firearms, including those covered by the NFA, are permitted to sell them or pass them to heirs. However, under Feinstein’s new bill, “assault weapons” would remain with their current owners until their deaths, at which point they would be forfeited to the government.

    # Prohibits the domestic manufacture and the importation of magazines that hold more than 10 rounds of ammunition. The 1994 ban allowed the importation of such magazines that were manufactured before the ban took effect. Whereas the 1994 ban protected gun owners from errant prosecution by making the government prove when a magazine was made, the new ban includes no such protection. The new ban also requires firearm dealers to certify the date of manufacture of any >10-round magazine sold, a virtually impossible task, given that virtually no magazines are stamped with their date of manufacture.

    # Targets handguns in defiance of the Supreme Court. The Court ruled in District of Columbia v. Heller that the Second Amendment protects the right to have handguns for self-defense, in large part on the basis of the fact handguns are the type of firearm “overwhelmingly chosen by American society for that lawful purpose.” Semi-automatic pistols, which are the most popular handguns today, are designed to use detachable magazines, and the magazines “overwhelmingly chosen” by Americans for self-defense are those that hold more than 10 rounds. Additionally, Feinstein’s list of nearly 1,000 firearms exempted by name (see next paragraph) contains not a single handgun. Sen. Feinstein advocated banning handguns before being elected to the Senate, though she carried a handgun for her own personal protection.

    # Contains a larger piece of window dressing than the 1994 ban. Whereas the 1994 ban included a list of approximately 600 rifles and shotguns exempted from the ban by name, the new bill’s list is increased to nearly 1,000 rifles and shotguns. Other than for the 11 detachable-magazine semi-automatic rifles and one other semi-automatic rifle included in the list, however, the list appears to be pointless, because a separate provision of the bill exempts “any firearm that is manually operated by bolt, pump, lever, or slide action.”

    The Department of Justice study. On her website, Feinstein claims that a study for the DOJ found that the 1994 ban resulted in a 6.7 percent decrease in murders. To the contrary, this is what the study said: “At best, the assault weapons ban can have only a limited effect on total gun murders, because the banned weapons and magazines were never involved in more than a modest fraction of all gun murders. Our best estimate is that the ban contributed to a 6.7 percent decrease in total gun murders between 1994 and 1995. . . . However, with only one year of post-ban data, we cannot rule out the possibility that this decrease reflects chance year-to-year variation rather than a true effect of the ban. Nor can we rule out effects of other features of the 1994 Crime Act or a host of state and local initiatives that took place simultaneously.”

    “Assault weapon” numbers and murder trends. From the imposition of Feinstein’s “assault weapon” ban (Sept. 13, 1994) through the present, the number of “assault weapons” has risen dramatically. For example, the most common firearm that Feinstein considers an “assault weapon” is the AR-15 rifle, the manufacturing numbers of which can be gleaned from the BATFE’s firearm manufacturer reports, available here. From 1995 through 2011, the number of AR-15s—all models of which Feinstein’s new bill defines as “assault weapons”—rose by over 2.5 million. During the same period, the nation’s murder rate fell 48 percent, to a 48-year low. According to the FBI, 8.5 times as many people are murdered with knives, blunt objects and bare hands, as with rifles of any type.

    Traces: Feinstein makes several claims, premised on firearm traces, hoping to convince people that her 1994 ban reduced the (relatively infrequent) use of “assault weapons” in crime. However, traces do not indicate how often any type of gun is used in crime. As the Congressional Research Service and the BATFE have explained, not all firearms that are traced have been used in crime, and not all firearms used in crime are traced. Whether a trace occurs depends on whether a law enforcement agency requests that a trace be conducted. Given that existing “assault weapons” were exempted from the 1994 ban and new “assault weapons” continued to be made while the ban was in effect, any reduction in the percentage of traces accounted for by “assault weapons” during the ban, would be attributable to law enforcement agencies losing interest in tracing the firearms, or law enforcement agencies increasing their requests for traces on other types of firearms, as urged by the BATFE for more than a decade.

    Call Your U.S. Senators and Representative: As noted, Feinstein intends to introduce her bill on January 3rd. President Obama has said that gun control will be a “central issue” of his final term in office, and he has vowed to move quickly on it.

    Contact your members of Congress at 202-224-3121 to urge them to oppose Sen. Feinstein’s 2013 gun and magazine ban. Our elected representatives in Congress must hear from you if we are going to defeat this gun ban proposal. You can write your Representatives and Senators by using our Write Your Representatives tool here: http://www.nraila.org/get-involved-locally/grassroots/write-your-reps.aspx

    Millions of Americans own so-called “assault weapons” and tens of millions own “large” magazines, for self-defense, target shooting, and hunting. For more information about the history of the “assault weapon” issue, please visit http://www.GunBanFacts.com.

    NRA-ILA Link<

    Jesse Krook
    Y.M.H.
    Posts: 6403
    #1127101

    It’s funny I didn’t read in there any where but the facts are Fecalstien carries a 38 revolver for her own protection yet she don’t think a common citizen not worth the 99 million she is should be able to carry a weapon….how ironic is that.

    Hey BK just for giggles why don’t you google Donald Kaul and read about how he want’s to violently go about gun control…..here’s a little snipit from his brain dead agenda.

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    After suggesting the NRA be declared a terrorist organization and that Speaker John Boehner and Sen. Mitch McConnell be tied to the back of a pick-up truck and dragged around the parking lot until they “saw the light” on gun control, Kaul then said, “If some people refused to give up their guns, that ‘prying the guns from their cold, dead hands’ thing works for me.”

    Is this where civil discourse and public debate is headed? Where, when people disagree with you, they will simply have you declared a terrorist, dragged behind a truck or killed to remove your legally owned property? But then, this is the kind of debate we are used to from the left. The left always complains it is conservatives who are “mean spirited” or make threatening comments; yet time and time again, history shows the left will resort to theatening to kill people, or otherwise put them in danger as in the case of the New York newspaper publishing the home addresses of legal gun owners in New York. How many people’s lives have been endangered because of this reckless behavior


    Just saying these type of hypcrites such as Fecalstein shouldn’t be in any kind of public office

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #1127102

    It’s California Jesse.

    PS I guess a .38 revolver doesn’t assault anyone.

    Palerider77
    Posts: 630
    #1127103

    Write your congressmen and senators. Be clear and be calm. This is a clear assault on your birth right of liberty.

    “Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God” -Benjamin Franklin

    140-zuki
    Cokato, MN
    Posts: 114
    #1127122

    Sent them a letter via that website.

    140-zuki
    Cokato, MN
    Posts: 114
    #1127125

    Wow Donald Kaul is a complete moron. Shame on the Des Moines Register for printing a terrible article that completely crosses the line no matter what side of the aisle your on.

    average-joe
    Hudson, WI
    Posts: 2376
    #1127128

    She’s a total whackjob

    Her and her Liberal Dem Cronies aren’t gonna be happy until we become a completely socialist country

    suzuki
    Woodbury, Mn
    Posts: 18619
    #1127131

    I consider her a coward and a traitor of the highest order and a threat to our most basic freedoms.

    DrewH
    s/w WI.
    Posts: 1404
    #1127162

    How do you like it so far?

    TazTyke
    Central Minnesota
    Posts: 473
    #1127178

    I have already sent 2 letters with no response. Lets see if I get one this time.

    stevedobie
    Central, MN
    Posts: 478
    #1127182

    I sent one as well. Lets see.

    average-joe
    Hudson, WI
    Posts: 2376
    #1127303

    Quote:


    How do you like it so far?


    I can’t take any of the blame on this one

    I voted for the other guy

    It’s to many of my fellow young people, who feel that everyone is special, and they all deserve a trophy for being an individual

    Heaven for bid you’re a honest, hardworking, taxpaying, law abiding citizen

    You should be punished for that

    You know the reason she’s doing this, is because the government is supposed to be our friend, and they’re only looking out for our best intrests

    cougareye
    Hudson, WI
    Posts: 4145
    #1127363

    Her bill won’t make it out of committee.

    Complete waste of tax dollars!

    ET

    Jesse Krook
    Y.M.H.
    Posts: 6403
    #1127653

    She’s 80 years old why ‘el is she even in office ? We don’t trust 80 year olds to drive but well trust them in office ???

    life1978
    Eau Claire , WI
    Posts: 2790
    #1127697

    Sent in my email. This is the sad responce I got.

    Dear Paul,

    Thank you for taking the time to contact me regarding your thoughts on federal gun control measures in light of the recent tragedy in Connecticut.

    A terrible and incomprehensible act of violence took place at Sandy Hook Elementary School. We are all deeply impacted by the horror of little children and brave adults being murdered. There are many serious issues that will need to be discussed and considered in the weeks and months to come. But right now, our primary concern should be for the families and the community of Newtown.

    At moments like this, America comes together to mourn and support one another. We will do so again in the coming days, and then search for answers on how to prevent such tragedies in the future

    As your Senator, I believe it is my primary responsibility to uphold the Constitution and the Second Amendment is no exception. I will continue to strongly support our Second Amendment rights. One of the bills I have chosen to cosponsor regarding the Second Amendment is S. 570 introduced by Senator Jon Tester (D-MT) on March 14, 2011. This bill would prohibit the Department of Justice from tracking and cataloguing the purchases of multiple rifles and shotguns.

    Thank you again for taking the time to share your thoughts. It is important for me to hear the views and concerns of the people I serve. Please feel free to contact me in the future if I can further assist you or your family. It is an honor representing you and the good people of Wisconsin in the U.S. Senate.

    Sincerely,

    Ron Johnson
    United States Senator

    suzuki
    Woodbury, Mn
    Posts: 18619
    #1127708

    What do you mean sad? Looks good to me. Unless you are anit-2A?

    hnd
    Posts: 1579
    #1127749

    maybe because its cut and paste?

    Jesse Krook
    Y.M.H.
    Posts: 6403
    #1127769

    Quote:


    What do you mean sad? Looks good to me. Unless you are anit-2A?


    That’s kind of what I was thinking

    suzuki
    Woodbury, Mn
    Posts: 18619
    #1127791

    The following letter, written by U.S. Marine Joshua Boston and headlined “No ma’am.,” was posted in the CNN iReport on Dec. 27 with the included note from the producer and photo. It has struck a nerve with many and is being circulated around social media venues like Twitter and Facebook.

    Senator Dianne Feinstein,

    I will not register my weapons should this bill be passed, as I do not believe it is the government’s right to know what I own. Nor do I think it prudent to tell you what I own so that it may be taken from me by a group of people who enjoy armed protection yet decry me having the same a crime. You ma’am have overstepped a line that is not your domain. I am a Marine Corps Veteran of 8 years, and I will not have some woman who proclaims the evil of an inanimate object, yet carries one, tell me I may not have one.

    I am not your subject. I am the man who keeps you free. I am not your servant. I am the person whom you serve. I am not your peasant. I am the flesh and blood of America.

    I am the man who fought for my country. I am the man who learned. I am an American. You will not tell me that I must register my semi-automatic AR-15 because of the actions of some evil man.

    I will not be disarmed to suit the fear that has been established by the media and your misinformation campaign against the American public.

    We, the people, deserve better than you.

    Respectfully Submitted,
    Joshua Boston
    Cpl, United States Marine Corps
    2004-2012
    __________________

    Jesse Krook
    Y.M.H.
    Posts: 6403
    #1127880

    I’m thinking maybe the gov. should just ban schools see story HERE

    P.S. no assualt rifles or guns of any kind used

    sgt._rock
    Rochester, MN
    Posts: 2517
    #1127883

    Although officers did not find any black powder, butane or fuses, Taylor said the devices were just “a step or two away from being ready to explode.”

    Huh? Guess they measure steps different than me. My coffee can in the kitchen is dangerous.

    average-joe
    Hudson, WI
    Posts: 2376
    #1128061

    Quote:


    The following letter, written by U.S. Marine Joshua Boston and headlined “No ma’am.,” was posted in the CNN iReport on Dec. 27 with the included note from the producer and photo. It has struck a nerve with many and is being circulated around social media venues like Twitter and Facebook.

    Senator Dianne Feinstein,

    I will not register my weapons should this bill be passed, as I do not believe it is the government’s right to know what I own. Nor do I think it prudent to tell you what I own so that it may be taken from me by a group of people who enjoy armed protection yet decry me having the same a crime. You ma’am have overstepped a line that is not your domain. I am a Marine Corps Veteran of 8 years, and I will not have some woman who proclaims the evil of an inanimate object, yet carries one, tell me I may not have one.

    I am not your subject. I am the man who keeps you free. I am not your servant. I am the person whom you serve. I am not your peasant. I am the flesh and blood of America.

    I am the man who fought for my country. I am the man who learned. I am an American. You will not tell me that I must register my semi-automatic AR-15 because of the actions of some evil man.

    I will not be disarmed to suit the fear that has been established by the media and your misinformation campaign against the American public.

    We, the people, deserve better than you.

    Respectfully Submitted,
    Joshua Boston
    Cpl, United States Marine Corps
    2004-2012
    __________________


    Semper Fi

    Couldn’t have said it any better myself

    lhprop1
    Eagan
    Posts: 1899
    #1128170

    Quote:


    I’m thinking maybe the gov. should just ban schools


    Or teenagers.

    life1978
    Eau Claire , WI
    Posts: 2790
    #1128201

    I say sad reply because. The ban has yet to come and he wants to introduce a bill to block tracking like they already have passed the bill. It would be better served to block the bill all together in my opinion. I am glad that he is pro 2n amend. But it does sound a little to me in the begining that he feels guns are a little to blam for the shooting.

    suzuki
    Woodbury, Mn
    Posts: 18619
    #1128541

    Yep. Looks like they are trying to lead the way. Also noted as a political move for Gov who plans to run for President.
    Time will tell where this goes but given the last election results we may be outnumbered.

    kooty
    Keymaster
    1 hour 15 mins to the Pond
    Posts: 18101
    #1128545

    Can you imagine if they ever try confiscation? I gotta believe the politicians are already working on passing laws so they can declare gun owners terrorist etc… I’m glad I live in this part of our country where a majority of us will be together should this go badly.

    suzuki
    Woodbury, Mn
    Posts: 18619
    #1128546

    They wont do that. Not in America. Yet. But they can make it financially impossible for us to recreational shoot and they can block our access to hi-tech weapondry. I cant believe people want to disarm our citizens. That’s what makes us free and proud. Otherwise we are merely servants looking to a master for protection and vulnerable to be taken advantage of by people and the govt.

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #1128547

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    Can you imagine if they ever try confiscation?


    For Deer-Trackers sake, the law better read…

    “Elected officials are require to door to door to confiscate weapons.”

    life1978
    Eau Claire , WI
    Posts: 2790
    #1128551

    Quote:


    They wont do that. Not in America. Yet. But they can make it financially impossible for us to recreational shoot and they can block our access to hi-tech weapondry. I cant believe people want to disarm our citizens. That’s what makes us free and proud. Otherwise we are merely servants looking to a master for protection and vulnerable to be taken advantage of by people and the govt.


    It would be interesting thats for sure. I know when I was working at the police department we talked about this when the Ban was lifted. Everyone I worked with said they would quit before they took wepons away from the public. One because it would just mean getting shot at and two they themselves were hunters and firearms users themselves.

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