YES! I feel the pain but I have more than 1 anger!

  • 1hl&sinker
    On the St.Croix
    Posts: 2501
    #1279853

    I cant imagine what those folks at the shooting are going through and my thoughts and helpful healing go to every one.

    rant

    Stop the media to over sensationalize everything in order to make money by viewership.
    Also, keep the dang media out of the hair of victims on the day of occurrence. Yadda yadda, we have a right to know and be entertained, bull droppings. What does a kids point of view of hiding in a cubbyhole really help anyone? Those parents that expose these children to multiple interviews by multiple news outlets., yes there are a few, should be screened as unfit parents.

    Yes, I am interested in knowing what happened in this tragedy but I do not need to know the every detail from the neighbor who lived next to a victim, WAIT ITS COMING, to the testimonial of a victims cousins sister.!!!!!!!!!

    Gee, I wonder where these people who commit such crimes get the idea of self indulgent and grandiose thoughts of committing a such hennas act?

    NOPE! NOT the media fault solely?

    We watch it and apparently they think we thrive on the macabre.

    Were training them!

    Off the the wall? Maybe?

    Its not about arming our selves to defend our selves it is about understanding our culture and its failings!!!!!!!!

    outdoors4life
    Stillwater, MN
    Posts: 1500
    #1120543

    We shut it off on my TV.

    I am pretty appalled that they are interviewing the kids on tv. I think that is crossing the line. That is when the TV was turned off.

    stevedobie
    Central, MN
    Posts: 478
    #1120547

    Quote:


    Its not about arming our selves to defend our selves it is about understanding our culture and its failings!!!!!!!!


    .

    Agreed…

    drechsler
    ia.east side scott co.
    Posts: 46
    #1120553

    had all i could take and also shut off the box . all they is just keep hashing over the same thing from 20 different angles makes me sick.

    mplspug
    Palmetto, Florida
    Posts: 25026
    #1120554

    I’ve been hearing talk about gun control, however the guns were not his. How exactly can you control that?

    p4walleye
    Rochester, MN
    Posts: 733
    #1120555

    I could write a book on all of my theories about these types of situations. Instead, I will continue to look for a puking emoticon, because that’s what I feel like doing since hearing about this early in the afternoon.

    BBKK
    IA
    Posts: 4033
    #1120563

    I heard them say earlier that they want to make it clear that they get parental consent before interviewing any children… so they must have gotten some bad crap about it already. I personally hate hearing a child tell what he did or saw during the tragedy. Its just not right. Teachers and other adults I’m okay with. I dont care if an adult is telling what their child said, I just dont want to see a 3rd grade student talk about such a tragedy. I don’t give a crap what his teacher said to him or what he heard happening in the hallways.

    Sharon
    Moderator
    SE Metro
    Posts: 5455
    #1120568

    I honestly have no idea what this, and all the fuss on facebook, is about. Seriously. I don’t really watch TV and I don’t watch the news. I have no idea what’s going on. People laugh at me, and wonder why. Well, it sounds like today was a good reason.

    stuwest
    Elmwood, WI
    Posts: 2254
    #1120571

    Arm The Teachers

    BBKK
    IA
    Posts: 4033
    #1120574

    Quote:


    Arm The Teachers


    Pretty sure they each have two.

    mower
    Wisconsin, Outagamie
    Posts: 515
    #1120548

    Also sick of it!!!!!

    shady5
    Posts: 491
    #1120587

    Quote:


    Arm The Teachers


    No truer words have never been spoken.

    dr-death
    Phillips, WI
    Posts: 155
    #1120595

    Quote:


    Arm The Teachers


    Thanks Stu!! A voice of sanity in a wilderness of idiots. The media will surely fuel the gun control debate for a while again. Knee jerks,,, and other jerks too,,,, scare the hell out of me!!!!!

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #1120603

    My sister said it best (she’s anti gun).

    “People with guns are more dangerous then people with out.”

    Arm some of the faculty with extra training and a concealed “carried” weapon.

    This might not have stopped all the killing, but there’s a good chance there would have been less.

    1hl&sinker
    On the St.Croix
    Posts: 2501
    #1120605

    Quote:


    My sister said it best (she’s anti gun).

    “People with guns are more dangerous then people with out.”

    Arm some of the faculty with extra training and a concealed “carried” weapon.

    This might not have stopped all the killing, but there’s a good chance there would have been less.


    A great example of a disconnect from the real problem.

    shady5
    Posts: 491
    #1120607

    Quote:


    Quote:


    My sister said it best (she’s anti gun).

    “People with guns are more dangerous then people with out.”

    Arm some of the faculty with extra training and a concealed “carried” weapon.

    This might not have stopped all the killing, but there’s a good chance there would have been less.


    A great example of a disconnect from the real problem.


    It isn’t necessary to understand the problem, just how to kill it. Ask any law enforcement officer if their firearms are necessary in combating crime. We will never resolve all of man’s psychological issues, so the only alternatives are protecting ourselves or becoming victims. I choose the former.

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #1120610

    Quote:


    We watch it and apparently they think we thrive on the macabre.

    Were training them!

    Off the the wall? Maybe?

    Its not about arming our selves to defend our selves it is about understanding our culture and its failings!!!!!!!!


    Ok I have my popcorn, we are training them? Please explained.

    muskeye
    Duluth, Mn
    Posts: 306
    #1120622

    I personally did not watch any news coverage. The media in this country are vulchers. It’s terrible to ask a kid to recap what they just went through, makes me sick. The media in this country are vulchers. I won’t even attempt to say how to prevent these tragedies from happening, but I know my home is protected.

    Tom Sawvell
    Inactive
    Posts: 9559
    #1120629

    I know that if I were one of those parents who just found out that my child had been killed in something l;ike this and then had some prick with a camera following me with a camera in my face it wouldn’t take long for that camera to be showing his anus about a foot up. Damn, the media has simply gotten out of control.

    Yes, gun control has again been sprung on the masses with this, but lets insist on media control being piggy-backed with it….seems to me that they are both “rights” and if the issue were money thats how our lawmakers would handle it. I think the biggest enemy in this country right now is the media.

    Brian Hoffies
    Land of 10,000 taxes, potholes & the politically correct.
    Posts: 6843
    #1120630

    I watched about 3 hours of the coverage, both NBC and CBS. Not once did I see a picture of the shooter. They only mentioned his name a few times. The less we validate this with his picture and name the better off the country will be. Some of these guys are looking to get famous and this is the route they take. Ignore them, make them irrelevant and go about healing the families of that town.

    There were reports of 2 handguns in the school but also some spent shells from a auto rifle. Whole story is not out yet. Both hand guns were legally purchased and registered by his mother who he executed before going to school. They also found either one or two more rifles in his car.

    How sad is it that we need to consider arming our teachers in a elementary school?

    Jesse Krook
    Y.M.H.
    Posts: 6403
    #1120633

    I agree with BK on this one.

    shady5
    Posts: 491
    #1120641

    I agree the vast majority of our media is despicable and the country is in a sad state. It’s time to realize that “the horse is already out of the barn”. With 200-300 million firearms already in circulation, the topic is not about violence prevention, but rather protection. Lastly, I realize it’s a freightening topic, but if you have ever had to depend on a firearm for self defense, you immediately gain an appreciation for their utility.

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #1120645

    Advertising “gun free” zones is like saying “Here, Take My Life” to sick people.

    I’m not saying very adult in a school should be armed, just like the general population, if they want to be and have some specialized training in carrying in a school, it would be the last defense for these insane acts.

    There is no way the police can respond, find and take care of a situation whether it’s at a school or any other place. EVEN if there were panic alarms available at schools.

    Armed security guards? He/she would be the first target.

    That’s why there needs to me more then one TRAINED in mass shootings person at our schools.

    My .02.

    Brian Hoffies
    Land of 10,000 taxes, potholes & the politically correct.
    Posts: 6843
    #1120646

    OK, understood but here is my problem with arming staff. If you allow the staff to be armed then I want it mandated that the firearm must be kept on their person at all times. Not in a purse, not in a desk drawer, not in a locker. We are talking about 5 to 12 year old kids and all the curiosity that they possess.

    stuwest
    Elmwood, WI
    Posts: 2254
    #1120659

    what’s wrong with that?? i carry 24/7 around my own office. Good practice for going to movies…

    shady5
    Posts: 491
    #1120666

    Fantastic points in the preceding emails. As one additional note; it is also good practice to quickly run emergency scenarios when visiting public venues (shopping centers, etc.). First consider ‘flight’ routes then ‘fight’ positions. It may sound like paranoia, but as we’ve seen, these threats are real.

    stuwest
    Elmwood, WI
    Posts: 2254
    #1120667

    I don’t go shopping in a major metro w/o carrying anymore, probably eauclaire too.

    Movies, shopping, gas stations: on my body AND in the car. I saw what we are coming to when i was in houston and it was not pretty.

    mplspug
    Palmetto, Florida
    Posts: 25026
    #1120668

    I’ve seen posts about all these other countries that have significantly lower hand gun deaths. The problem, much like universal healthcare, is that its very hard to compare 2 different cultures by pure numbers.

    I am just using healthcare because it is a similar argument where people compare US to THEM. There are many other factors why healthcare is lower cost in other countries in the same way that there are many factors to why we have more hand gun deaths. Neither can be explained by looking at one number. Sure apples and oranges are fruits, but they have unique properties.

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #1120679

    Quote:


    If you allow the staff to be armed then I want it mandated that the firearm must be kept on their person at all times. Not in a purse, not in a desk drawer, not in a locker


    That’s my exact thought Brian. If faculty would chose to be armed, they would meet (speaking for MN) the minimum requirements for carry, plus additional training for use in schools, plus it would have to be concealed on “carried” on their person.

    100% of the time while in the school gun free zone.
    Loaded or unloaded 100% on your person.

    It makes me sick just thinking about this.

    mplspug
    Palmetto, Florida
    Posts: 25026
    #1120684

    You can’t force people to arm themselves and I suspect most teachers would be ideologically opposed to carrying a gun.

    No one can claim that had someone had a gun in the school that this would have been stopped, been less or even been worse.

    At face value this incident “is what it is”.

    Again, I am pro carry, this is not an anit-gun rant. Hopefully it is just reality.

    To me the bigger tragedy is that we so soon move away from the tragedy and right into ideological arguments. This exploitation makes me sick and it happens on both sides, although I will say that the pro-gun arguments are more a reaction to the anti-gun exploitation of the tragedy.

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