White Bear Lakeshore owners sue DNR

  • tigermusky
    St. Louis Park
    Posts: 280
    #1279683

    Did anybody see this on the news last night? I can’t take it anymore. Isn’t the DNR funded by everyone who uses our resources (licenses, permits, stamps etc) Who will be paying for the lawyers needed for this one? I’m getting really fed up with actions of lake shore associations and their lawsuits. They are not suing for monetary value, just for help in fixing it, yeah right they are worried about paying high property tax on something that is never guaranteed.(lake level) I’m ready to start a class action lawsuit suing every single lake shore owner for ruining lake water quality in OUR Minnesota lakes. I can’t even count how many water pumps Ive hook while fishing so they can pump free water on to their fertilized lawns so it can drain right back in to lake. And don’t get me started on those Weed Eaters that they are allowed to attach to their dock protruding out into OUR lakes to sweep the bottom of the lake that they never swim in, or the giant flotilla trampolines that every 3rd lake shore owner pops up on OUR lakes (I never see anyone using them) I’m lost on where lake shore owners came up with the idea that they own anything in the lake.

    My rant is over – Thank you!

    carroll58
    Twin Cities, USA
    Posts: 2094
    #1116028

    The way I read it in the Star Tribune was it was a Citizen’s group, not just specifically a lake shore association or lakeshore owners.

    {Copyright Star Tribune}
    Link to Star Tribune article on White Bear Lake lawsuit.
    A citizens’ group has sued the Minnesota Department of Natural Resources (DNR) over low water levels in White Bear Lake, arguing that the lake’s shrinkage is due to the agency’s approval of increasing water use by surrounding cities.
    The White Bear Lake Restoration Association, in a suit filed Tuesday in Ramsey County, alleges that the DNR has violated state environmental standards in allowing surrounding cities to more than double their withdrawals from an aquifer beneath the lake since 2000. It asks the court to establish protected water levels for both the lake and the Prairie du Chien aquifer, which feeds the lake.
    “We’re going to have to get a lot smarter about water use,” said Jan Conlin, an attorney for the citizens’ association. “We’re about to have 9,999 lakes if somebody doesn’t do something about White Bear Lake.”
    DNR spokesman Chris Niskanen said officials had not had time to examine the lawsuit and had no immediate comment.
    The suit is based heavily on a recent study by the U.S. Geological Survey (USGS), which found that the lake’s steady decline in recent years is not due to drought, but to pumping from the aquifer beneath it.
    White Bear has been at record low levels for much of the past month. It dropped more that 5 1/2 feet between early 2003, when it was last at its “ordinary high water” level, and Nov. 13, 2010, when it reached its previous record low. It rose somewhat last year, then receded again in recent months.
    As a result, lakeshore residents have had to haul their docks and boat lifts, some of which are now hundreds of yards from the previous shore, to reach water. Some residents have even obtained permits from the DNR to mow the plants growing from the sandy lake bottom, which is now a sort of extended front yard.
    Water activities cut back
    Receding water levels have reduced fishing, boating and swimming opportunities, and closed a Ramsey County beach since 2009, the suit says.
    “It’s taken a lot out of us as a community,” said Greg McNeely, one of five residents and business people who make up the group filing the lawsuit. “We’re not suing just to sue someone. We want to fix the lake. It’s a true asset for the community.”
    White Bear and surrounding lakes and streams are particularly vulnerable to nearby water pumping because the sandy soil beneath them allows surface water to drain readily into the aquifer, according to the USGS study.
    Most of the recent pumping has been for residential use, while industrial and commercial use, including golf course watering, have remained steady. The study found that it would take annual rainfall of 4 inches above normal just to stop the lake’s shrinkage.
    Water use in the city of White Bear Lake has dropped 20 percent in the past five years. City Manager Mark Sather attributed that to higher city water charges and to an aging population with smaller households.
    Bill McAuliffe • 612-673-7646

    The way I see it, they are Suing themselves and their neighbors. They ALL use WATER and just want to blame somebody.

    Does anybody really believe the Golf Courses are not using anymore water than 5-10 years ago. We are in a Drought, basically meaning we are recieving less than normal rainfall. If it is not raining, everybody will be drawing more well water to water their lawns, gardens, etc.

    I would bet that the majority are Lakeshore Owners, but that said, how is the Mn/DNR now going to revoke or cut back water usage permits without destroying any business that relies on that water supply?

    FYI: I googled the Attorney’s info, if anybdy wants to call and get first hand information from her.

    Jan Conlin: Jan Conlin link at RKMC
    Partner Robins, Kaplan, Miller & Ciresi L.L.P.
    Chair, Business Litigation Group;
    Member of the Executive Board

    I wonder, What does it cost to retain a High Powered – Super Lawyer for a Lawsuit like this? According to the article, only 5-people & BNusinesses make up the group suing.

    suzuki
    Woodbury, Mn
    Posts: 18715
    #1116032

    Sue over a shrinking lake. That’s rich.

    mudneck_joe
    SE MN
    Posts: 409
    #1116038

    The DNR’s main job is to moneytize the environment not protect it. However, any time you buy property there is a risk. I think the people sueing the DNR will end up spending a lot of money and costing a lot of money without getting any benefit.

    AllenW
    Mpls, MN
    Posts: 2895
    #1116068

    Considering water use is related to population, I’m thinking they ought to sue pregnant mothers first then go after anybody with a family after that…maybe?

    Al

    mplspug
    Palmetto, Florida
    Posts: 25026
    #1116071

    I should sue the DNR for every time I get skunked! I’d drain their coffers in no time!

    mower
    Wisconsin, Outagamie
    Posts: 515
    #1116072

    Maybe the DNR should put a ban on living closer than 1 mile from a lake. Ban pumping water from one, no swimming because this helps evaporate water and so on.

    Jesse Krook
    Y.M.H.
    Posts: 6403
    #1116076

    Get back at the land owners……In WI if you hit a lakeshore owners dock with your boat they are at fault or responsible as long as you are in a navigable water depth. The dock is an obstruction to the navigable waterway and your navigation….just a thought

    lhprop1
    Eagan
    Posts: 1899
    #1116083

    Quote:


    Get back at the land owners……In WI if you hit a lakeshore owners dock with your boat they are at fault or responsible as long as you are in a navigable water depth. The dock is an obstruction to the navigable waterway and your navigation….just a thought


    Be right back . . . getting B.A. Baracus to jimmy weld a ramming frame on my boat

    DaveB
    Inver Grove Heights MN
    Posts: 4497
    #1116084

    Dont tell the county, since they now have more land, they might be looking at an increase in taxes.

    Washington County lake shore on a prime metro lake and you now have an addition couple thousand square feet property?

    flatfish
    Rochester, MN
    Posts: 2105
    #1116095

    this makes it sound like we could sue the Corps of engineers if we hit a wing damn on the river
    It would be nice if MNDNR said all these lakes should have a riparian shore line of ‘X’ number of feet above to high water line. Then they that live on lakes can keep their stuff away from and out of the lakes.?

    bzzsaw
    Hudson, Wi
    Posts: 3484
    #1116130

    I don’t know what the answer is, but I can understand some of their concern. Sounds like White Bear Lake has dropped alot more than any of the other lakes in the area. Why? I’m not smart enough to know that answer. Is this issue similar to global warming (IMHO – not much can be done about it)? If I owned property or a business on WBL, I would want to make sure there is nothing that can be done to address the problem. Even if that means forcing the government to do their homework (sueing them).

    Paulski
    “Ever Wonder Why There Are No Democrats On Mount Rushmore ? "
    Posts: 1198
    #1116266

    Isn’t there some way we can blame George Bush…..

    matt-p
    White Bear Lake, MN
    Posts: 643
    #1116397

    Quote:


    Isn’t there some way we can blame George Bush…..


    I dont know about Bush but Gore is looking good for this one.

    mplspug
    Palmetto, Florida
    Posts: 25026
    #1116406

    I have a headache today. Damn global warming.

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